What would a Republican America look like?

[NYcarbineer]

A Republican government would cut taxes and increase military spending, resulting in another huge increase in the deficit.

What about cuts to offset that, you ask?

They would make a big show of cutting non-defense domestic spending and entitlements, but they would never really do it to any extent. The reason?

GOP politicians value their jobs as much as any politicians. The political toxicity of making the kind of draconian cuts that they pretend they favor would put most of them out of a job in 2 years.

Look at what Reagan did in 81, and that's the template. Tax cuts, defense increases, and the political special interests protect domestic spending/entitlements, etc. Result, bigger deficits and more debt.

I feel like I'm in a coma, I've read posts from a half dozen Obama supporters in the last 2 days speaking out against deficts, spending and debt.


Am I in the middle of a dream? Are they really saying these things and keeping a straight face?

I'm a supporter of PAYGO, and the principle therein, and always have been. What's your problem exactly?

 

[occupied]

You guys are a strange bunch. You constantly say republicans want to cut everything but defense.

Oddly enough that would be the very mandate our federal govt DOES have. The protection of the American people. Both domestic and foreign.

Military spending is out of control in a way no social program could ever be, fraught with corruption and still pouring billions into weapons programs that do not match the threats we face. The cold war is over, we need to tell the pentagon in no uncertain terms to quit fighting it.

 

[rightwinger]

If the Republicans were to win the Presidency and both Houses this November, what could we expect?

1. War with Iran: Republican candidates are already beating the drums that we must use force to end the threat of a nuclear Iran. Diplomacy is for pussies

2. Further isolation of North Korea: Republicans did not respond well to Obamas food for demilitarization program. Expect it to end

3 Repeal of Obamacare: No replacement, just repeal. 30 million Americans without access to affordable care, people with preexisting conditions thrown out

4 Gutting of Medicare: Elderly Americans will be given a yearly allowance for health coverage. If it doesn't keep up with rising costs....too bad

5 Extension of Bush tax cuts, additional tax cuts for the one percent while the lowest fifty percent would see an increase

6 Reductions in Federal Student loans: Making it harder for working Americans to send their kids to school

7 Increased harassment of Mexican Americans: Show me your papers

8 Increased subsidies for oil production while killing green energy provisions

9 Creationism taught in schools. Evolution downgraded to an unproven theory

10. Global warming officially declared a hoax

11. Gay marriage repealed and DADT reinstated

Ignorance often is the catalyst for such fear.

Which ones are not Republican positions?

 

[Peach]

Have you heard of a document called the Constitution? It prevents the establishment of a state religion.

FAIL

Hmm..

Christian Coalition of America | Defending America's Godly Heritage!
Council of Conservative Citizens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's go closer to the source.

Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

I think RW is pulling some legs.

 

[Spectre13]

It would look like Saudi Arabia..with Christanity replacing Islam as the state religion.

It would become a total Federalist State; moreso than we are now. Hell, we already have Britain's hand in all our pockets...look to the board of the Fed for confirmation on that.

It would be a starker, more barbaric way of life than it already is; More crap "trickle down economics, which is a dolled up version of feudalism. It would have made Hamilton proud. It would set us back a hundred years.

We would also have millions dying in the streets from lack of healthcare or Medicare, (they are big on reducing the surplus population), as Repuglicans don't help each other, unless they are part of the club.... what is left, if anything, will be substandard to say the least. Please sir...may I have some more???

It will be a nation full of Rush Limbaughs and they will attack women, and anyone else with impunity with or without facts. Repuglicans only see facts as a guideline, not a course of action, which is mostly ignored when it is not coated with slime.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

 

[rightwinger]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I don't own a crystal ball. Sorry

 

[occupied]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I touched on it earlier but you cannot forget what they would do to labor rights and the right to protest. The 1st amendment has been under heavy attack in the states last year, they would insure that people would be under attack whenever and wherever they tried to collectively stand against the powerful.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I touched on it earlier but you cannot forget what they would do to labor rights and the right to protest. The 1st amendment has been under heavy attack in the states last year, they would insure that people would be under attack whenever and wherever they tried to collectively stand against the powerful.

Yes the gimmie state and mentality would certainly take a beating.

 

[Dr.Drock]

A Republican government would cut taxes and increase military spending, resulting in another huge increase in the deficit.

What about cuts to offset that, you ask?

They would make a big show of cutting non-defense domestic spending and entitlements, but they would never really do it to any extent. The reason?

GOP politicians value their jobs as much as any politicians. The political toxicity of making the kind of draconian cuts that they pretend they favor would put most of them out of a job in 2 years.

Look at what Reagan did in 81, and that's the template. Tax cuts, defense increases, and the political special interests protect domestic spending/entitlements, etc. Result, bigger deficits and more debt.

I feel like I'm in a coma, I've read posts from a half dozen Obama supporters in the last 2 days speaking out against deficts, spending and debt.


Am I in the middle of a dream? Are they really saying these things and keeping a straight face?

I'm a supporter of PAYGO, and the principle therein, and always have been. What's your problem exactly?

My problem is I keep hearing outspoken Obama supporters say they're against big spending, deficts and debt.

I must have some sort of hearing issue, as it surely can't be possible for me to hear the same people voice unwavering, unquestioned support of Obama and out of the same mouths speak out against deficits, debt, and big spending.

You and occupied are 2 more to go on the list speaking out against big spending, debt and deficits. I'll give you credit, I can't call you an Obamabot cuz you do sometimes speak out against him and his policies like you did with Libya but all the others I've heard speak against debt/spending/deficits are Obamabots to the core and wouldn't dare question him (Rightwinger/Chris/Occupied/RDean).

 

[Spectre13]

It would look like Saudi Arabia..with Christanity replacing Islam as the state religion.

Yeah, we know that because America was so horrible under Reagan and Bush.

Yep - runaway spending, debt ceiling raised repeatedly, taxes raised, bigger government, no personal freedom, factories closed, sky high unemployment - just the usual under the R's.

I find it ironic in the extreme that Republicans always talk about small government, when it was Republicans who have presided over the largest government spending in this country's history. Ronald Rayguns and W. 138% increase and 118%, respectively, as reported by the government just this year.

 

[rightwinger]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I don't own a crystal ball. Sorry

You Vote for them and have no idea what their platforms are?

 

[amrchaos]

If the Republicans were to win the Presidency and both Houses this November, what could we expect?

1. War with Iran: Republican candidates are already beating the drums that we must use force to end the threat of a nuclear Iran. Diplomacy is for pussies

2. Further isolation of North Korea: Republicans did not respond well to Obamas food for demilitarization program. Expect it to end

3 Repeal of Obamacare: No replacement, just repeal. 30 million Americans without access to affordable care, people with preexisting conditions thrown out

4 Gutting of Medicare: Elderly Americans will be given a yearly allowance for health coverage. If it doesn't keep up with rising costs....too bad

5 Extension of Bush tax cuts, additional tax cuts for the one percent while the lowest fifty percent would see an increase

6 Reductions in Federal Student loans: Making it harder for working Americans to send their kids to school

7 Increased harassment of Mexican Americans: Show me your papers

8 Increased subsidies for oil production while killing green energy provisions

9 Creationism taught in schools. Evolution downgraded to an unproven theory

10. Global warming officially declared a hoax

11. Gay marriage repealed and DADT reinstated

You forgot busting unions so we can have "plum jobs" like the ChiComs.

January 23, 2012
RUSH: As I say, they leave out one crucial factor here and that's unions, to help explain why manufacturing in America can't compete with the way the ChiComs do it.

Let me give you a fascinating statistic that will put this in perspective. The primary manufacturing company for Apple's products is called Foxconn, Hon Hai Precision Industry, and they make electronic gadgets for practically everybody. Apple is one of their largest customers. They have, at one factory, 230,000 employees. One factory: 230,000 employees. Most of them live in dormitories on the site of the factory. There's a hospital, there are kitchens. This place goes through... I wish I could remember. The tonnage of pork and rice every month this place goes through to feed its employees is astounding. They have 230,000 employees in one factory. They work six days a week, 12 hours a day. They earn the equivalent of 17 US dollars a day, and they are plum jobs in China.

And That is what we want here in America!

End the damn Unions! We don't need no Damn Obammiecare!

 

[rightwinger]

Well we already have a taste of what a democratic socialist America would look like.

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I touched on it earlier but you cannot forget what they would do to labor rights and the right to protest. The 1st amendment has been under heavy attack in the states last year, they would insure that people would be under attack whenever and wherever they tried to collectively stand against the powerful.

We saw what the Republicans think of labor right after the 2010 elections. I would expect they would grow bolder and extend their collective bargaining restrictions to the private sector

 

[occupied]

I feel like I'm in a coma, I've read posts from a half dozen Obama supporters in the last 2 days speaking out against deficts, spending and debt.


Am I in the middle of a dream? Are they really saying these things and keeping a straight face?

I'm a supporter of PAYGO, and the principle therein, and always have been. What's your problem exactly?

My problem is I keep hearing outspoken Obama supporters say they're against big spending, deficts and debt.

I must have some sort of hearing issue, as it surely can't be possible for me to hear the same people voice unwavering, unquestioned support of Obama and out of the same mouths speak out against deficits, debt, and big spending.

You and occupied are 2 more to go on the list speaking out against big spending, debt and deficits. I'll give you credit, I can't call you an Obamabot cuz you do sometimes speak out against him and his policies like you did with Libya but all the others I've heard speak against debt/spending/deficits are Obamabots to the core and wouldn't dare question him (Rightwinger/Chris/Occupied/RDean).

I'm all for getting our fiscal house in order but I am not foolish enough to think we can do it in the short term or entirely by dumping the poor and passing the savings on to the billionaires. Republicans have been pushing for tax cuts that far outstrip anything they would cut in spending. A real program of deficit reduction would take decades, not seeing anything from the republicans that really reduces the deficit, just a bunch of gimmicks that makes sure that the people with the least money bear the entirety of the burden.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I don't own a crystal ball. Sorry

You Vote for them and have no idea what their platforms are?

There are many republicans running in 2012. I can not possibly know what all of them stand for nor what they as a group will try to accomplish beyond publicly held positions.

Republican position: self reliance and determination

Democratic position: let the state run your life and make your choices



Put me down for the republican position. Despite some flaws I would prefer that to the micro management the left offers.

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

Sound bites and talking points. Not even close, but if you would ever LISTEN to or READ what it is that Republicans want, then you would know. Course, I hate to tell you this, but like any other organization there are factions within the Republican party. Some believe that the debt is the most crucial issue, while others believe that the economy needs to be the primary issue. So let's look at your list:

1. War with Iran: Republican candidates are already beating the drums that we must use force to end the threat of a nuclear Iran. Diplomacy is for pussies. I support the use of diplomatic and economic sanctions, up to a point. There comes a time however, when rogue countries can only be tolerated for so long. We all know that OIL is Iran's life blood. And we all should know that Iran does NOT have the refinery capability to produce enough even for itself. They send it out of the country in tankers, through the Strait of Hormuz and then they bring it back, the same way. Iran can be brought to its knees by shutting down their exports of oil. Would that force them to take military action? Perhaps, but they are already belligerent as it is. Think Hamas and Hezbollah. An Iranian blew off his legs with a bomb and they were going to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US. Aren't they already belligerent enough?

2. Further isolation of North Korea: Republicans did not respond well to Obamas food for demilitarization program. Expect it to end. You know, Bush #1, Clinton and Bush #2 gave Pyongyang food and other things such as heating oil. And this stopped their nuclear program how? They said they would stop, but of course they didn't. They just took the aid and split. Just how many times are you going to let yourself be duped by these idiots until you figure out they are using you? But, I have to say, I support the sending of food to North Korea without strings. The people in the street have absolutely ZERO input into what their dear leaders do. I can't sit by and watch millions starve. Some say let North Korea starve because they are parriahs on the world stage.

3 Repeal of Obamacare: No replacement, just repeal. 30 million Americans without access to affordable care, people with preexisting conditions thrown out. I, and most Republicans, support the law regarding pre-existing conditions. I also believe that insurance companies should not be able to raise your premiums because you get sick. However, Obamacare is very probably the absolute WORST piece of legislation in the history of this country. The Democrats passed it saying that it would SAVE MONEY. Of course, it won't and now the cost is surpassing a TRILLION dollars in the first ten years. The Obamacare solution to the pre-existing condition clause was thought to cost $10,000 per instance. Naturally, the actual cost is at $30,000 now and rising. And let's not forget the MANDATE of the federal government on religious institutions. Small business is on hold until this thing shakes out and there will be no great recovery until it is repealed. You can fix the uninsured and under insured by creating the pools at the state level and doing away with laws that keep insurers from crosing state lines. But, we all know that liberals LOVE a mandate and a government agency. Look for this love affair to continue.

4 Gutting of Medicare: Elderly Americans will be given a yearly allowance for health coverage. If it doesn't keep up with rising costs....too bad.Medicare is handled much more effectively at the STATE level. Block grant the money to the state. Why is the liberal answer to everything a new federal government agency?

5 Extension of Bush tax cuts, additional tax cuts for the one percent while the lowest fifty percent would see an increaseBush cut taxes for every American at every income level. Your talking points continue to demand that you highlight ONLY the cuts that occured at the top. If you're so angry at the top 1%, then why is Obama their biggest recepient of cash?

6 Reductions in Federal Student loans: Making it harder for working Americans to send their kids to school. Over the past five years, tuition rates have SOARED at colleges and universities. But since these are bastions of LIBERAL thought, why it's not the cost that is the issue, the issue is of course that the American taxpayer, who is bleeding, is not bleeding enough.

7 Increased harassment of Mexican Americans: Show me your papers.Really? And you think that the influx of 12 MILLION illegal aliens is not affecting the social and government fabric of this nation? The border needs to be secured. We need to deal with those already here and we need to PUNISH employers who use illegal workers.

8 Increased subsidies for oil production while killing green energy provisions. By Obama's own words, the oil and gas industries have TAX DEDUCTIONS that amount to 4 billion dollars a year. I'm not too sure why the oil and gas industry is such a BAD BOY in the eyes of liberals. Well, bad until they have to put gas into their Audi or Mercedes. Eight of Obama's touted "green companies" have filed for bankruptcy in the past year, despite over 2 billion in federal loans. Naturally, the Obama administration gave away the right to collect first from a bankrupt company. The 'investors' now have that right. Can you say 'bundlers'?

9 Creationism taught in schools. Evolution downgraded to an unproven theory. My first degree was in Antrhopology. I've studied evolution and as I grew older and became a Christian, I believe that creationism and evolution is NOT mutually exclusive. More talking points here.

10. Global warming officially declared a hoax. Global Warming or climate change? Which is it? If you're going to use this to try and impose some sort of new "carbon tax" on companies, I think you should read about the costs of the Kyoto treaty and understand why everyone now thinks it's pretty much an economy killer.

11. Gay marriage repealed and DADT reinstated. Gay marriage is a state issue. Unlike my liberal friends, I do NOT believe that the federal government is an all knowing, all seeing, benevolent father figure who can do no wrong. I see the federal government as a threat to my freedom. I let the generals do what they think is best. Social engineers are not too high on my list of people to admire.

Simple facts are that you are parrotting the same talking points and one-liners that Barry and his minions want you to parrot. Just because you read something where someone in the Republican party believes that we should do this or that, it doesn't mean that it is instantly a plank in the party platform. No more than the Democrats will include a plank about class warfare...

Okay, well maybe you will...

 

[Syphon]

You are welcome to post what you think a Republican America would look like

I bet it is not much different than what I posted

I touched on it earlier but you cannot forget what they would do to labor rights and the right to protest. The 1st amendment has been under heavy attack in the states last year, they would insure that people would be under attack whenever and wherever they tried to collectively stand against the powerful.

Yes the gimmie state and mentality would certainly take a beating.

almost half of voters who are on SS or medicare dont believe that they are using government services or government programs. when the GOP slashes SS and Medicare (i.e. the Paul Ryan budget) how many of the GOP will turn on their own and demand their "entitlements"

Cornell University’s Suzanne Mettler points out that many beneficiaries of government programs seem confused about their own place in the system. She tells us that 44 percent of Social Security recipients, 43 percent of those receiving unemployment benefits, and 40 percent of those on Medicare say that they “have not used a government program.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/krugman-moochers-against-welfare.html

most GOP controlled states currently receive more in federal tax dollars than they pay into the system, while DEM states pay more into the system then they get back. maybe its time those GOP states got all the nanny wagon.
The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > Federal Taxes Paid vs. Spending Received by State
United States Federal Tax Dollars -

 

[Papageorgio]

One thing that would certainly happen would be an assault on the first amendment the likes of which we have never seen.

Like renewing the Patriot Act that Obama renewed? Like requiring people to purchase a service in order to remain in good standing as a citizen? Like requiring churches to violate their religious tenants for the sake of a government mandate? Like the government wanting to stop a news company from press conferences because of their slant on the news?

Give me a break and get a clue, what a bunch of hysteria from the left, maybe it might be beneficial to look into the Constitution and see how far off this administration is from following it.