What would a decisive battle look like in a 2nd American Civil War?

[007]

A second civil war wouldn't last long. Maybe a few weeks. And in that time the majority of liberal city slickers would be dead. They'd be killing each other over a stale pack of hotdogs inside of three days, in which time a body can't go more than three days without water. The leftard city slickers better hope that ANY natural disaster or skirmish doesn't stop the trucks from rolling in the food DAILY, otherwise they won't eat. Us people out here in the country where the food COMES from, we can get by indefinitely. We don't need a truck to bring us our food. The city slickers spill over into the country thinking they're going to beg for or steal food and they'll more than likely be met with a hail of lead, so they don't stand a chance back in their beloved, filthy, liberal cess polls they call cities, and they won't stand a chance trying to vacate to find food.

What will the military do? Well, who is the military? The majority of the fighting military is made up of very young men and women that are the sons and daughters of the very people that the libtards here think they'd turn around and KILL. Well, that just isn't going to happen, not a chance in HELL. There might be a very small fraction of the military that thinks they're going to actually KILL AMERICANS, but they will quickly be overwhelmed by the patriotic majority of the military that will totally refuse to KILL their OWN PEOPLE.

It will all be over in less than a month, and the country will have far, far, FAR less liberals in it, and their anti American agenda will be set back for at least another 100 years. Hopefully we'd learn from a brief civil war, or national anarchy, call it what you will.

 

[rightwinger]

And that is exactly the point. You and your cohorts will be fighting a trained army and trained police. You fantasize that all of the American soldiers, who pledged an oath to uphold the Constitution, will defect to your side...you fantasize that whole brigades and divisions will be on the side of wanna be rednecks. You think playing in the woods in preparation for URBAN warfare gives you a fighting chance. You think the evil government will just allow you to cut off cities...you think citizens of those cities will allow you to cut them off and they will gladly go without food, water and electricity in the name of your noble cause.

The first redneck that shoots a soldier will unleash the fury of our military on the American hating right

The first soldier that shoots an American citizen will unleash the fury of every armed citizen against the military.

The armed citizens of America are the third largest, armed standing army on the face of the earth. There isn't a force big enough to win a war against them. That's what scares the fuck otta libroids, and why they're so rabid about disarming law abiding citizens. Just like the movie "War Games" where total thermonuclear warfare was waged and NOTHING was left, would be the only scenario, and in that scenario, NO ONE wins.

WOLVERINE!

Every gun nuts fantasy. Only instead of fighting the Russians they are fighting our government

I have news for you. We have seen these radical groups trying to stage a revolution before. The public will not support you. In spite of your fantasies, Americans actually love their country and will never side with you

Think John Brown

 

[Mr Natural]

And how's this revolution of yours going to go down?

You going to load a bunch of liquored up goobers into a truck and head to NYC?

Where you going to strike first; Times Square? One Police Plaza?

And far do you think you'll get before the NYPD Swat Teams put you down with extreme prejudice.

 

[rightwinger]

And how's this revolution of yours going to go down?

You going to load a bunch of liquored up goobers into a truck and head to NYC?

Where you going to strike first; Times Square? One Police Plaza?

And far do you think you'll get before the NYPD Swat Teams put you down with extreme prejudice.

Their revolution will fizzle out once they run out of cheap beer

 

[guno]

And how's this revolution of yours going to go down?

You going to load a bunch of liquored up goobers into a truck and head to NYC?

Where you going to strike first; Times Square? One Police Plaza?

And far do you think you'll get before the NYPD Swat Teams put you down with extreme prejudice.

Their revolution will fizzle out once they run out of cheap beer

and when they run out of depends

 

[Discombobulated]

The first redneck that shoots a soldier will unleash the fury of our military on the American hating right

The first soldier that shoots an American citizen will unleash the fury of every armed citizen against the military.

The armed citizens of America are the third largest, armed standing army on the face of the earth. There isn't a force big enough to win a war against them. That's what scares the fuck otta libroids, and why they're so rabid about disarming law abiding citizens. Just like the movie "War Games" where total thermonuclear warfare was waged and NOTHING was left, would be the only scenario, and in that scenario, NO ONE wins.

WOLVERINE!

Every gun nuts fantasy. Only instead of fighting the Russians they are fighting our government

I have news for you. We have seen these radical groups trying to stage a revolution before. The public will not support you. In spite of your fantasies, Americans actually love their country and will never side with you

Think John Brown

Lets try a different scenario, one that doesn't quite fit your fantasy. Suppose some states vote for secession. What then? Does the Army go in and restore order? How many soldiers would join the other side? How many would simply refuse to obey orders?

 

[rightwinger]

The first soldier that shoots an American citizen will unleash the fury of every armed citizen against the military.

The armed citizens of America are the third largest, armed standing army on the face of the earth. There isn't a force big enough to win a war against them. That's what scares the fuck otta libroids, and why they're so rabid about disarming law abiding citizens. Just like the movie "War Games" where total thermonuclear warfare was waged and NOTHING was left, would be the only scenario, and in that scenario, NO ONE wins.

WOLVERINE!

Every gun nuts fantasy. Only instead of fighting the Russians they are fighting our government

I have news for you. We have seen these radical groups trying to stage a revolution before. The public will not support you. In spite of your fantasies, Americans actually love their country and will never side with you

Think John Brown

Lets try a different scenario, one that doesn't quite fit your fantasy. Suppose some states vote for secession. What then? Does the Army go in and restore order? How many soldiers would join the other side? How many would simply refuse to obey orders?

I think we have already played that one out

 

[Discombobulated]

And how's this revolution of yours going to go down?

You going to load a bunch of liquored up goobers into a truck and head to NYC?

Where you going to strike first; Times Square? One Police Plaza?

And far do you think you'll get before the NYPD Swat Teams put you down with extreme prejudice.

Their revolution will fizzle out once they run out of cheap beer

and when they run out of depends

Not taking these people seriously just makes you look more stupid and shallow than you did already. What the majority of people want doesn't mean shit in a society where half the people don't even participate in the political process. People like you make it easy for a vocal minority to rule over everyone else.

 

[Discombobulated]

WOLVERINE!

Every gun nuts fantasy. Only instead of fighting the Russians they are fighting our government

I have news for you. We have seen these radical groups trying to stage a revolution before. The public will not support you. In spite of your fantasies, Americans actually love their country and will never side with you

Think John Brown

Lets try a different scenario, one that doesn't quite fit your fantasy. Suppose some states vote for secession. What then? Does the Army go in and restore order? How many soldiers would join the other side? How many would simply refuse to obey orders?

I think we have already played that one out

And? Is that your best answer?

 

[rightwinger]

Lets try a different scenario, one that doesn't quite fit your fantasy. Suppose some states vote for secession. What then? Does the Army go in and restore order? How many soldiers would join the other side? How many would simply refuse to obey orders?

I think we have already played that one out

And? Is that your best answer?

I think you already got your answer

It is illegal to secede

 

[Discombobulated]

I think we have already played that one out

And? Is that your best answer?

I think you already got your answer

It is illegal to secede

Uh huh, and how do you suppose that would prevent states from voting for secession?

 

[Nutz]

And? Is that your best answer?

I think you already got your answer

It is illegal to secede

Uh huh, and how do you suppose that would prevent states from voting for secession?

And suppose they do secede. Do you think the only option the US would have would be militarily? Once a state has to pat for EVERYTHING themselves...including military, how well do you think those states would do with trade embargoes, travel restrictions, and zero federal funds. Who will these 'states' barter with? Who will be there allies...Mexico? Canada? Cuba? I hope they are not landlocked...if so, there goes trade with China and the EU.

 

[Discombobulated]

If we take into account 300,000,000 modern firearms, entire armies of defectors, even great swathes of air power, combined with "domestic espionage" and other forms of cyber warfare.

Would a decisive battle look more like Stalingrad in WWII or Falluhjah today?

Would it even be fought in an urban region, or would it be fought along the plumbing/aqueducts/highways leading to urban regions?


How long could urban populations survive with entire highways and railways permanently blocked?

How much of a role would espionage play (moles and plants lying/fabricating/destroying satellite data, jamming protected frequencies and internal networks, and just plain stealing information). How would the tyrannical government react to this rampant espionage? Would they be able to trust anyone?

There won't be any great decisive battle between left and right, right and wrong, good and evil, or whatever. That's just nonsense. But one thing is for sure; empires all rise and fall, great nations come and go, and this nation may not have been built to last.

 

[Discombobulated]

I think you already got your answer

It is illegal to secede

Uh huh, and how do you suppose that would prevent states from voting for secession?

And suppose they do secede. Do you think the only option the US would have would be militarily? Once a state has to pat for EVERYTHING themselves...including military, how well do you think those states would do with trade embargoes, travel restrictions, and zero federal funds. Who will these 'states' barter with? Who will be there allies...Mexico? Canada? Cuba? I hope they are not landlocked...if so, there goes trade with China and the EU.

You presume that people are thinking clearly when they are politically motivated.

 

[Nutz]

Uh huh, and how do you suppose that would prevent states from voting for secession?

And suppose they do secede. Do you think the only option the US would have would be militarily? Once a state has to pat for EVERYTHING themselves...including military, how well do you think those states would do with trade embargoes, travel restrictions, and zero federal funds. Who will these 'states' barter with? Who will be there allies...Mexico? Canada? Cuba? I hope they are not landlocked...if so, there goes trade with China and the EU.

You presume that people are thinking clearly when they are politically motivated.

You are right, seceding would be an idiotic thing to do. If secession were to be a valid option, the successful process would take years...it wouldn't be a surprise. It would involve independently building a military, independently finding allies, independently finding trade partners. It would have to find a way to burden its citizens with greater taxes...it would have to fight over water rights with neighboring states. By the time any state were to secede...the US would be able to counter any of their progress.


Secession is more ludicrous than the revolution nonsense. You lose in any scenario.

 

[Discombobulated]

Maybe you guys just didn't notice that the Tea Party is already on it's way to becoming a proto fascist cadre.

 

[Discombobulated]

And suppose they do secede. Do you think the only option the US would have would be militarily? Once a state has to pat for EVERYTHING themselves...including military, how well do you think those states would do with trade embargoes, travel restrictions, and zero federal funds. Who will these 'states' barter with? Who will be there allies...Mexico? Canada? Cuba? I hope they are not landlocked...if so, there goes trade with China and the EU.

You presume that people are thinking clearly when they are politically motivated.

You are right, seceding would be an idiotic thing to do. If secession were to be a valid option, the successful process would take years...it wouldn't be a surprise. It would involve independently building a military, independently finding allies, independently finding trade partners. It would have to find a way to burden its citizens with greater taxes...it would have to fight over water rights with neighboring states. By the time any state were to secede...the US would be able to counter any of their progress.


Secession is more ludicrous than the revolution nonsense. You lose in any scenario.

I'm not saying that it's a good idea, or legal, or anything like that. I'm saying a Constitutional crisis over the Second Amendment is more than just possible, it's very likely in the not so distant future.

 

[Nutz]

You presume that people are thinking clearly when they are politically motivated.

You are right, seceding would be an idiotic thing to do. If secession were to be a valid option, the successful process would take years...it wouldn't be a surprise. It would involve independently building a military, independently finding allies, independently finding trade partners. It would have to find a way to burden its citizens with greater taxes...it would have to fight over water rights with neighboring states. By the time any state were to secede...the US would be able to counter any of their progress.


Secession is more ludicrous than the revolution nonsense. You lose in any scenario.

I'm not saying that it's a good idea, or legal, or anything like that. I'm saying a Constitutional crisis over the Second Amendment is more than just possible, it's very likely in the not so distant future.

Really, no it is not. There is no 2nd Amendment crisis. We have our guns and no one is taking them away. Period. If anything, there will be pissed of Teapers running around blowing people up and randomly shooting people (as they have been doing). They won't be revolutionaries...they will be terrorists and treated as such.

 

[Nutz]

Maybe you guys just didn't notice that the Tea Party is already on it's way to becoming a proto fascist cadre.

Now you are speaking the truth. But not all of the Teapers are terrorist nuts. Most Tea Partiers will quickly separate themselves from the terrorist branch of the Teaper Movement and the TPM will die a quick and righteous death.

 

[Discombobulated]

You are right, seceding would be an idiotic thing to do. If secession were to be a valid option, the successful process would take years...it wouldn't be a surprise. It would involve independently building a military, independently finding allies, independently finding trade partners. It would have to find a way to burden its citizens with greater taxes...it would have to fight over water rights with neighboring states. By the time any state were to secede...the US would be able to counter any of their progress.


Secession is more ludicrous than the revolution nonsense. You lose in any scenario.

I'm not saying that it's a good idea, or legal, or anything like that. I'm saying a Constitutional crisis over the Second Amendment is more than just possible, it's very likely in the not so distant future.

Really, no it is not. There is no 2nd Amendment crisis. We have our guns and no one is taking them away. Period. If anything, there will be pissed of Teapers running around blowing people up and randomly shooting people (as they have been doing). They won't be revolutionaries...they will be terrorists and treated as such.

I don't know why you imagine rational thinking has anything to do with politics. Perception is everything.