what will the world be like if Iran gets the bomb ?
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GLASNOST
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You should think less about what the effects will be and spend more energy making friends with Iran instead so your worry won't be such a bother.
The reason "Iron" (whatever that is) "has been raking in billions in oil rev" is because they produce oil. It is their natural resource, duh!
And the reason they can "spend more of it on their nuke program" is because you've destroyed their Democratic government and tried to steal their natural resource .... the oil .... and they must protect themselves. Iran is not threatening you with nuclear bombs - it is you who is threatening Iran with nuclear bombs, duh!
GLASNOST
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Actually, when Israel & the US destroy their nuclear capabilities, then (AND ONLY THEN) will I begin to see Iran as a threat to the world.
By the way, has no one noticed that North Korea has "the bomb"? What threat are they to the world? Not much, huh. And what do you think the reason is .... hmmm? It's because we are on quasi-friendly terms with them. But hey, North Korea has no oil so their need to protect themselves is pretty much restricted to the American pressure on the ROK to keep tensions up for political bravado purposes from Washington.
luiza
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We need to set up more international investigations into American development areas and safety procedures .
The US has become so arrogant and filled with misplaced self belief as a nation that we also need to be checking on the mental health of all that are involved in their programmes .
Why on earth would you permit a country headed by half crazed Neocons run and dictate anything to others ?
The country living by a Never Ending Wars Philosophy needs constant checking and supervision .
We must not allow children to play with dangerous toys without them being constantly muzzled and on a lead .
Batcat
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if Iran gets the bomb what effect will it have on the daily lives of people in this country and around the world ! Iron has been raking in billions in oil rev in the past 3 yrs allowing them to spend more on their nuke program ! what level of threat will the world face once they get nukes ?
Iran's Nuclear Timetable: The Weapon Potential | Iran Watch
How quickly could Iran get enough fissile material for a small nuclear arsenal? This timetable estimates how quickly Iran could amass enough weapons-grade uranium for five bombs. Once it has the enriched uranium, however, it could take at least several months to turn it into a working weapon...www.iranwatch.org
Iran Oil Exports Hit Highest Record In Five Years
Iran’s oil sales have reportedly hit a record high since the US withdrew from the nuclear deal and reinstated sanctions in 2018, but pundits wonder where the money goes.www.iranintl.com
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In January 2001, the current Supreme Leader of Iran, Khomenei, declared, “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” One month later, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president of Iran, said, “If one day, a very important day, of course, the Islamic World will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth.” In 2005, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated, Israel “must be wiped off the map.” In recent months, General Hossein Salami, the Commander- in-Chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards forces, bragged, “Our strategy is to erase Israel from the political map.” Furthermore, Khomenei, published a 416-page book, in which he outlined how Iran will destroy Israel.
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Iran’s thoughts and actions are being fueled by its commitment to their Shiite Islamic doctrines. The Iranian leaders believe their coming messiah, the “Hidden Imam,” or the “Mahdi,” will not come until they institute global chaos. They believe that Iran must first bring about global destruction that will remove Jews, Christians, and non-Muslims from power. After this global destruction, they believe their Messiah will suddenly appear on a white horse.Their commitment to make this happen dominates their political and military strategies. They are willing to commit national suicide to make it happen. The fact that thousands of suicide bombers have attacked Israel and points around the world demonstrates they must be taken seriously. The 9-11 attacks against the United States in 2001 illustrate their mindset.
GLASNOST
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I agree one thousand percent.
Yes, and by the way Americans are stockpiling guns in their closets and blasting up the schools and shopping malls, et al. I think we need to disarm the whole lot of them - military and civilians alike.
... in other words, we need to put the UN against the wall and start accounting for itself.
"Never Ending Wars Philosophy" gives Capitalism a bad reputation. And while we're at it let's forgive the Iraqis for being skeptical of "Democracy" now that they've been introduced to it at gunpoint by the "Leader of the Free World". Oh! Those people of the Middle East! How ungrateful they are!
The US is running a protection racket. We called it extortion before the Mafia achieved political clout. Now it's just called a "Two-Party Political System".
DudleySmith
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Not nearly as much as Biden, Clinton, and Obama have. You should be proud, a lot of people will now get fried, while you snivel about Trump.
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In January 2001, the current Supreme Leader of Iran, Khomenei, declared, “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” One month later, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president of Iran, said, “If one day, a very important day, of course, the Islamic World will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth.” In 2005, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated, Israel “must be wiped off the map.” In recent months, General Hossein Salami, the Commander- in-Chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards forces, bragged, “Our strategy is to erase Israel from the political map.” Furthermore, Khomenei, published a 416-page book, in which he outlined how Iran will destroy Israel.
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Iran’s thoughts and actions are being fueled by its commitment to their Shiite Islamic doctrines. The Iranian leaders believe their coming messiah, the “Hidden Imam,” or the “Mahdi,” will not come until they institute global chaos. They believe that Iran must first bring about global destruction that will remove Jews, Christians, and non-Muslims from power. After this global destruction, they believe their Messiah will suddenly appear on a white horse.Their commitment to make this happen dominates their political and military strategies. They are willing to commit national suicide to make it happen. The fact that thousands of suicide bombers have attacked Israel and points around the world demonstrates they must be taken seriously. The 9-11 attacks against the United States in 2001 illustrate their mindset.
Are you surprised that Iran also has their end times crackpots?
DudleySmith
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We need to have your parents monitor your internet use.
GLASNOST
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GLASNOST
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More Hasbara drivel. "Oh! Oh! We have to bomb Iran and
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In January 2001, the current Supreme Leader of Iran, Khomenei, declared, “It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.” One month later, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president of Iran, said, “If one day, a very important day, of course, the Islamic World will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth.” In 2005, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated, Israel “must be wiped off the map.” In recent months, General Hossein Salami, the Commander- in-Chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards forces, bragged, “Our strategy is to erase Israel from the political map.” Furthermore, Khomenei, published a 416-page book, in which he outlined how Iran will destroy Israel.
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Iran’s thoughts and actions are being fueled by its commitment to their Shiite Islamic doctrines. The Iranian leaders believe their coming messiah, the “Hidden Imam,” or the “Mahdi,” will not come until they institute global chaos. They believe that Iran must first bring about global destruction that will remove Jews, Christians, and non-Muslims from power. After this global destruction, they believe their Messiah will suddenly appear on a white horse.Their commitment to make this happen dominates their political and military strategies. They are willing to commit national suicide to make it happen. The fact that thousands of suicide bombers have attacked Israel and points around the world demonstrates they must be taken seriously. The 9-11 attacks against the United States in 2001 illustrate their mindset.
Batcat
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What we don’t need to do is help Iran finance the development of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Unfortunately it might be too late now.
GLASNOST
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I agree with you but only in part.
AGREE: Iran with nuclear weapons can be an accident waiting to happen.
HALF AGREE: North Korea has nuclear weapons but are not an immediate threat because they are not being taunted, intimidated and threatened by the US. NK has no natural resources that the West wants to get their grubby hands on. But Iran is being taunted, intimidated, and threatened by the US .... and they have oil, ie. something the West wants to steal just as they did up until the Iranian Islamic Revolution. If the West would make friends with Iran then there might not be anything to worry about.
DISAGREE:
1). The US and GB carried out a political coup in Iran, thus destroying (forever, apparently) Iran's Democratic government. I say apparently forever because that coup and overthrow of Iran's Democracy has left the Iranians very skeptical about Western-style so-called Democracy.
2). You and I might agree that there really isn't a true Democracy in the US and I can prove it with the statistics but the whole Middle East is convinced that the US really does represent Democracy because it claims that it does and because it has never been punished for its non-Democratic deeds.
3). Since the Islamic Revolution Iran has many times offered its hand in friendship to the US in the wish of creating a better relationship with the West in general. The West has refused to cooperate with Iran. On 9/11 Iran contacted the US and offered its help in tracking down Al Qiada. After all, Iran has its ear to the ground in the region and could be an enormous assistance in that endeavor. The US refused.
4). It seems clear to me that Iran is right in being wary of the West because of everything (and more) that I have just described here. The US isn't interested in peace in the region. The Americans only want to steal Iran's oil just as they did in Irak and just as they did in Iran up until the Islamic Revolution.
5). It all leads me to one conclusion: Iran must be ready and able to defend itself against the worst the US can bring to bear. Nuclear bombs are a necessity for Iran's existence.
BOTTOM LINE: I agree with your initial concerns but Iran has NO CHOICE.
Batcat
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Much depends on how seriously the leaders of Iran view their religion.
How does religion really influence Iranian nuclear policy?
Shia doctrine, a mystery fatwa, and Tehran's real interests
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Shia Muslims believe that the Mahdi, born in the ninth century and also known as the Hidden Imam or the Twelfth Imam, is the Prophet Mohammed’s last legitimate successor. They believe that he has gone into occultation—the state of being blocked from view—but will eventually return, much as Christians believe that Jesus Christ will return some day. According to Shia belief, the Hidden Imam will reappear along with Christ and together they will restore peace and justice, saving the world from the chaos into which it would otherwise descend.
The notions of martyrdom and “Mahdism” have led many to extrapolate that the Iranian leadership’s actions are governed by an inherent suicidal tendency and a willingness to cause chaos, even if it’s self-destructive, in order to facilitate the Mahdi’s return. But if one goes beyond the revolutionary rhetoric and examines the Islamic Republic’s actions, one realizes that more often than not, Tehran is driven by national or regime interests, rather than pure ideology and belief. In fact, Iran’s rulers often use ideology as a means, and do not see it as an end. It’s true that the regime sometimes makes decisions that seem irrational to outside observers. But this is not generally due to religious belief but rather to the fact that the regime’s interests and the national interest do not align—for example, Iran and Israel have many common strategic interests, yet Tehran has adopted anti-Israeli rhetoric and policies since the 1979 revolution. This stance may not serve national interests, but it certainly advances the Islamic Republic’s interest in a strong, external-enemy narrative.
The phantom fatwa. None of this is to say that Islam does not play any role in security decision-making in Iran. Most followers of the country’s nuclear affairs are aware of the famous fatwa reportedly issued by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei prohibiting nuclear weapons. But this fatwa, or religious edict, has become a puzzle.
In order to issue a fatwa, a religious figure must be deemed an authority in Islamic jurisprudence. (This is why to most Islamic scholars, fatwas issued by Al Qaeda leadership in support of the use of nuclear weapons are void of any legitimacy.) But a fatwa does not have to be written. It can be spoken if it meets certain requirements, such as having been witnessed. In this particular case, Khamenei does not appear to have written the fatwa, but it has been communicated to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and repeated a number of times by Khamenei himself, as well as by other government officials. It is unclear whether the fatwa covers only the “use” of these weapons, or their “production and stockpiling” too, as Khamenei has been quoted saying both.
Some scholars and policy makers believe the Khamenei nuclear-weapons fatwa to be bogus because it is not written, and therefore irrelevant. Others believe it to be all-important. Neither side has seen a fatwa, and it has not been published on Khamenei’s otherwise extremely comprehensive website.
Toddsterpatriot
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The US and GB carried out a political coup in Iran, thus destroying (forever, apparently) Iran's Democratic government.
Why do you feel they had a democracy?
Did Mohammad Mosaddegh get a lot more votes than the other guy?
How many?
GLASNOST
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You and I can postulate insightfully, on a hunch, or what we overheard two drunks say at the bowling alley 'snack & tap' on a Friday night. But in the end, we don't matter (except for the praise or slander we elicit from our fellow forum members who read this) because it is Iran's nation, with a very, very rich culture and history.Much depends on how seriously the leaders of Iran view their religion.
How does religion really influence Iranian nuclear policy?
Shia doctrine, a mystery fatwa, and Tehran's real interests
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Shia Muslims believe that the Mahdi, born in the ninth century and also known as the Hidden Imam or the Twelfth Imam, is the Prophet Mohammed’s last legitimate successor. They believe that he has gone into occultation—the state of being blocked from view—but will eventually return, much as Christians believe that Jesus Christ will return some day. According to Shia belief, the Hidden Imam will reappear along with Christ and together they will restore peace and justice, saving the world from the chaos into which it would otherwise descend.
The notions of martyrdom and “Mahdism” have led many to extrapolate that the Iranian leadership’s actions are governed by an inherent suicidal tendency and a willingness to cause chaos, even if it’s self-destructive, in order to facilitate the Mahdi’s return. But if one goes beyond the revolutionary rhetoric and examines the Islamic Republic’s actions, one realizes that more often than not, Tehran is driven by national or regime interests, rather than pure ideology and belief. In fact, Iran’s rulers often use ideology as a means, and do not see it as an end. It’s true that the regime sometimes makes decisions that seem irrational to outside observers. But this is not generally due to religious belief but rather to the fact that the regime’s interests and the national interest do not align—for example, Iran and Israel have many common strategic interests, yet Tehran has adopted anti-Israeli rhetoric and policies since the 1979 revolution. This stance may not serve national interests, but it certainly advances the Islamic Republic’s interest in a strong, external-enemy narrative.
The phantom fatwa. None of this is to say that Islam does not play any role in security decision-making in Iran. Most followers of the country’s nuclear affairs are aware of the famous fatwa reportedly issued by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei prohibiting nuclear weapons. But this fatwa, or religious edict, has become a puzzle.
In order to issue a fatwa, a religious figure must be deemed an authority in Islamic jurisprudence. (This is why to most Islamic scholars, fatwas issued by Al Qaeda leadership in support of the use of nuclear weapons are void of any legitimacy.) But a fatwa does not have to be written. It can be spoken if it meets certain requirements, such as having been witnessed. In this particular case, Khamenei does not appear to have written the fatwa, but it has been communicated to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and repeated a number of times by Khamenei himself, as well as by other government officials. It is unclear whether the fatwa covers only the “use” of these weapons, or their “production and stockpiling” too, as Khamenei has been quoted saying both.
Some scholars and policy makers believe the Khamenei nuclear-weapons fatwa to be bogus because it is not written, and therefore irrelevant. Others believe it to be all-important. Neither side has seen a fatwa, and it has not been published on Khamenei’s otherwise extremely comprehensive website.
I think the crux of it is that Iran had a fully operational Democratic government that "we" destroyed. "We" replaced it with a despot named Shah. What happened under the Shah (with Western approval!) is a matter of treacherous record, so Khomeini stepped in with his Islamic Revolution and put a stop to it. Was it better than the American-backed Shah? Undeniably, yes. Has it developed since then to something even better? Very doubtful. Here's the thing, Iranians have experienced Democracy, Western treachery, and Fundamentalist, Islamic Rule. My personal opinion is that Iran's Democratic government was best, but ......... we destroyed it! I say let Iran run their country as they wish. If they do not behave in a Democratic manner it's our fault. If they are anti-West it is our fault. If they start beheading their own citizens for not following fundamental rules it's our fault. If they build the bomb it's our fault. If they threaten the West with their bomb it's our fault. "We" can probably change all of that but "we" want to get our hands on Iran's oil fields so change isn't likely ..... so IT IS "OUR" FAULT.
I support Iran and I only say that after much thought and consideration. You see, I was in Iran during the buildup to the Revolution. I had people throw stones at me in Esfahan and I left the country only 3 days before the American embassy was stormed and the American hostages were taken. I despised Iran. But then I unenthusiastically started learning about what happened there. Democracy - Mossedeq - Operation T.P. Ajax - the Shah - Iran's willingness to befriend the West, etc. Now I understand and I support them.
GLASNOST
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Don't try to BS me. I don't have patience for it. Speak to the hand or the wall. If you don't know what happened in Iran then do some reading on it.
Arlette
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Trump tore up the only leverage we had and replaced it with nothing.if Iran gets the bomb what effect will it have on the daily lives of people in this country and around the world ! Iron has been raking in billions in oil rev in the past 3 yrs allowing them to spend more on their nuke program ! what level of threat will the world face once they get nukes ?
Iran's Nuclear Timetable: The Weapon Potential | Iran Watch
How quickly could Iran get enough fissile material for a small nuclear arsenal? This timetable estimates how quickly Iran could amass enough weapons-grade uranium for five bombs. Once it has the enriched uranium, however, it could take at least several months to turn it into a working weapon...
Iran Oil Exports Hit Highest Record In Five Years
Iran’s oil sales have reportedly hit a record high since the US withdrew from the nuclear deal and reinstated sanctions in 2018, but pundits wonder where the money goes.
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