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9-11 will never be forgotten, neither will what happened to the guy who ordered it
CDZ What Will be Obamas Legacy?
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9-11 will not be forgotten. OBL will. That is simple reality.
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Osama Bin Laden will be remembered as the guy Republicans let go after 9/11.
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What you said:
Lengthened the Recession (Republicans gave us with screwed up economy)
Gave GM to the UAW (Huh?)
Lied to the public about Obamacare (How was he to know Republicans would be so stupid they would fight for substandard policies?)
Killed Christopher Stevens (The guy who refused multiple times to leave?)
Violated Immigration Law (Huh?)
Invited Russia to seize Ukraine (That's stupid)
Lost the Iraq War (Oh, yea, because it was so close to being "won")
You are delusional. The one thing that always makes me laugh about Iraq and Republicans is the fact that Iraq never created a "America Appreciation Day". Or called George Bush a "hero". No, instead, they chant "Death to America" But in the last 40 years, Republicans have caused much, much more damage to this country than al Qaeda ever could. And it blows my mind that Republicans refused to even acknowledge "recent" history. Come on, it was recent. What a bunch of fools.
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Obama will forever have the legacy as our first black President. The fact that a man born of mixed race parents with a name like Barack Hussein Obama could rise to the presidency is quite an accomplishment
Beyond that, we will look at what were the conditions given to him when he became President and what were the conditions when he left. As well as his lasting legacy
There is no doubt history will acknowledge he was given an economy on the brink of collapse and two wars to contend with. Obama righted the ship and stabilized the economy. He also withdrew us from two wars and avoided future entanglements in Egypt, Syria, Iran and Ukraine
Lasting legacy was Obamacare, expanded gay rights and immigration reform
Top ten President
Beyond that, we will look at what were the conditions given to him when he became President and what were the conditions when he left. As well as his lasting legacy
There is no doubt history will acknowledge he was given an economy on the brink of collapse and two wars to contend with. Obama righted the ship and stabilized the economy. He also withdrew us from two wars and avoided future entanglements in Egypt, Syria, Iran and Ukraine
Lasting legacy was Obamacare, expanded gay rights and immigration reform
Top ten President
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Forgotten by President Bush and by the Republicans but not forgotten by the American people - especially those who lost loved ones in 9/11 or in the illegal war against an innocent country.
It is to the shame of the right that they lied and still lie about what we have done to Iraq and that tried to take credit for finding and killing bin Laden.
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1) More Job Growth and Investment than Ronald Reagan
Back in 1980, the Christians of the world united behind a powerful leader with an amazing vision for the future: Simply sell the United States to the highest bidders, and let everyone live like fat hogs for the next 15 to 20 years. And Reaganomics worked…sort of. Long after he left office, Reagan’s Sale of America left a legacy of excess capital laying around. At least, till it ran out. But during his term, Reagan did America more good than any other president.
Well, any other president until fairly recently. The first graph below compares Reagan (The Great Job Creator’s) unemployment record for the first 67 months with Obama’s. The second compares the S&P stock growth for the first 69 months; bearing in mind that both presidents entered office in the midst of a massive recession:
Looks like The Socialist Anticapitalist needs to brush up on his literature and job description. Because, from what we’re seeing here, he has been at least as good as Reagan for the economy. In fact, we’ve now had 63 straight months of job expansion, including 54 consecutive weeks of private sector growth.
In fact, Obama’s administration has created more jobs in five years than Bush managed in all eight.
Worst. Socialist. EVER.
2) The Federal Budget Deficit has Shrunk by 2/3s since 2009
Obama came into office with a $1.4 trillion deficit, due largely to the high unemployment figures Bush left him with. Since people have gone back to work, more income taxes have been coming in — that’s raised the revenue for the givernment, shrinking the deficit spending.
Without cutting a thing, we might add.
This year’s deficit is predicted to be $500 billion — the lowest it’s been since Bush cut everything in 2007.
3) Our Dependence on Foreign Oil is at a Record Low Due to Domestic Oil Production and Higher Fuel Efficiency Standards
Is Barry the arch-nemesis of domestic oil production? Looks like a fan of drilling holes to us. True, the drive to decrease oil imports began under Bush; which must have hurt, given his family’s close friendship with Saudi Arabian royalty, and Bin Laden’s family specifically. Guess Barry’s one to harbor a grudge, though, because he certainly doesn’t seem to have done much to stop the downward crash of oil importation. Or the rapid increase in production.
4) Spending Increases and Taxes Are Lower Than Anytime in the Last 50 Years
Of course, Tea Partiers are going to take credit for this, citing it as the fruits of thier obstructionism. That isn’t exactly the case, but let’s look at the relevant facts:
Yes, Tea Partiers are certain to claim victory here, but that’s a far cry from reality. Obama himself signed in tax cuts for 95 percent in his stimulus package following the Bush Recession. But that hasn’t kept the Taxed Enough already crowd from thinking their taxes had gone up.
As to the spending, that’s mostly a result of getting out of Bush’s War in Afghanistan. The military is an expensive machine to run; but its’ every Republican’s favorite.
5) War is Down…and Foreign Terrorist Attacks on American Soil Are at Zero
The Commander-in-Chief, as of right now, has fewer troops deployed in war zones than at any point since the Afghan Invasion began in earnest in 2004. And yet, somehow, there hasn’t been a single foreign terrorist on American soil since Obama was elected. That’s about as far from what Dick Cheney predicted as imaginable, should we be unwise enough to put a soft, limp-wristed Democrat in office.
6) The ACA has Added Years to the Life of Medicare, Insured 7 Million People so Far, and Precipitated the Lowest Rise in Healthcare Costs Since 1960
Right now, somewhere between 7 and 10 million Americans who didn’t have health insurance before have it now. Rates haven’t gone up across the board as predicted either, primarily because healthcare costs are now rising slower than they have at any point since 1960.
Indeed — seems strange things happen when doctors and hospitals get paid for their services, instead of passing the cost of non-payers along to others. And since more people now have insurance, they’ve got more paying customers than ever before.
That’s had a decided impact on not just the cost of insurance, but the lifespan of a program that was projected to die in 2016: Medicare. Before the ACA, Medicare was on the verge of running out of money, and major cuts were on the horizon. But because the increase in healthcare costs have dropped, Medicare is now projected to live till at least 2030 with no cuts or changes whatsoever.
Which means you have to ask…
Were the Conservatives who fought this ignorant, incompetent or simply lying? Perhaps to themselves, if nothing else.
7) The Obama Administration Has Deported More Illegal Immigrants than Any Other in History…Including Bush
Some will say this is just a consequence of more illegals coming in, so the proportion of those going out rises in accordance. And that might be partly true; but there’s still no doubt that Obama’s administration has issued more one-way tickets to Central American countries than any other in history.
So, Mister Soetoro…it appears you haven’t been doing your job as the world’s most powerful Nazi Communist Anti-Capitalist Deathmonger. And when was the last time you even went to a mosque?
From this list alone, we can see that in six years you have
This president has accomplished some amazing things but imagine how much more he could have gotten done FOR the US if he had had the support of the Do Nothing But Obstruct And Lie Repub Congress.
Back in 1980, the Christians of the world united behind a powerful leader with an amazing vision for the future: Simply sell the United States to the highest bidders, and let everyone live like fat hogs for the next 15 to 20 years. And Reaganomics worked…sort of. Long after he left office, Reagan’s Sale of America left a legacy of excess capital laying around. At least, till it ran out. But during his term, Reagan did America more good than any other president.
Well, any other president until fairly recently. The first graph below compares Reagan (The Great Job Creator’s) unemployment record for the first 67 months with Obama’s. The second compares the S&P stock growth for the first 69 months; bearing in mind that both presidents entered office in the midst of a massive recession:
Looks like The Socialist Anticapitalist needs to brush up on his literature and job description. Because, from what we’re seeing here, he has been at least as good as Reagan for the economy. In fact, we’ve now had 63 straight months of job expansion, including 54 consecutive weeks of private sector growth.
In fact, Obama’s administration has created more jobs in five years than Bush managed in all eight.
Worst. Socialist. EVER.
2) The Federal Budget Deficit has Shrunk by 2/3s since 2009
Obama came into office with a $1.4 trillion deficit, due largely to the high unemployment figures Bush left him with. Since people have gone back to work, more income taxes have been coming in — that’s raised the revenue for the givernment, shrinking the deficit spending.
Without cutting a thing, we might add.
This year’s deficit is predicted to be $500 billion — the lowest it’s been since Bush cut everything in 2007.
3) Our Dependence on Foreign Oil is at a Record Low Due to Domestic Oil Production and Higher Fuel Efficiency Standards
Is Barry the arch-nemesis of domestic oil production? Looks like a fan of drilling holes to us. True, the drive to decrease oil imports began under Bush; which must have hurt, given his family’s close friendship with Saudi Arabian royalty, and Bin Laden’s family specifically. Guess Barry’s one to harbor a grudge, though, because he certainly doesn’t seem to have done much to stop the downward crash of oil importation. Or the rapid increase in production.
4) Spending Increases and Taxes Are Lower Than Anytime in the Last 50 Years
Of course, Tea Partiers are going to take credit for this, citing it as the fruits of thier obstructionism. That isn’t exactly the case, but let’s look at the relevant facts:
- Spending has only gone up 1.4 percent under Obama, the lowest spending has increased since Eisenhower — aka “The Last Actual Republican.” Spending increased 8.1 percent under Bush, and 8.7 percent under Reagan.
- Taxes are lower than they’ve been in the last 50 years for 95 percent of Americans. Taxes have only increased on those making $400,000 a year or more, the richest 2 percent of the country.
- For the other 95 percent, taxes have actually gone down.
Yes, Tea Partiers are certain to claim victory here, but that’s a far cry from reality. Obama himself signed in tax cuts for 95 percent in his stimulus package following the Bush Recession. But that hasn’t kept the Taxed Enough already crowd from thinking their taxes had gone up.
As to the spending, that’s mostly a result of getting out of Bush’s War in Afghanistan. The military is an expensive machine to run; but its’ every Republican’s favorite.
5) War is Down…and Foreign Terrorist Attacks on American Soil Are at Zero
The Commander-in-Chief, as of right now, has fewer troops deployed in war zones than at any point since the Afghan Invasion began in earnest in 2004. And yet, somehow, there hasn’t been a single foreign terrorist on American soil since Obama was elected. That’s about as far from what Dick Cheney predicted as imaginable, should we be unwise enough to put a soft, limp-wristed Democrat in office.
6) The ACA has Added Years to the Life of Medicare, Insured 7 Million People so Far, and Precipitated the Lowest Rise in Healthcare Costs Since 1960
Right now, somewhere between 7 and 10 million Americans who didn’t have health insurance before have it now. Rates haven’t gone up across the board as predicted either, primarily because healthcare costs are now rising slower than they have at any point since 1960.
Indeed — seems strange things happen when doctors and hospitals get paid for their services, instead of passing the cost of non-payers along to others. And since more people now have insurance, they’ve got more paying customers than ever before.
That’s had a decided impact on not just the cost of insurance, but the lifespan of a program that was projected to die in 2016: Medicare. Before the ACA, Medicare was on the verge of running out of money, and major cuts were on the horizon. But because the increase in healthcare costs have dropped, Medicare is now projected to live till at least 2030 with no cuts or changes whatsoever.
Which means you have to ask…
Were the Conservatives who fought this ignorant, incompetent or simply lying? Perhaps to themselves, if nothing else.
7) The Obama Administration Has Deported More Illegal Immigrants than Any Other in History…Including Bush
Some will say this is just a consequence of more illegals coming in, so the proportion of those going out rises in accordance. And that might be partly true; but there’s still no doubt that Obama’s administration has issued more one-way tickets to Central American countries than any other in history.
So, Mister Soetoro…it appears you haven’t been doing your job as the world’s most powerful Nazi Communist Anti-Capitalist Deathmonger. And when was the last time you even went to a mosque?
From this list alone, we can see that in six years you have
- done a better job of running the economy than Reagan
- done a better job of protecting America than Bush
- saved more money and spent less than anyone since Eisenhower
- lowered taxes on all but the wealthiest 5 percent
- gotten millions of people much-needed healthcare
- seen a drastic reduction in foreign oil imports
- reduced the growth in healthcare costs to 1960 levels (after they dramatically spiked under Bush)
- all but restored our economy, undoing at least in part the damage done by your predecessor
This president has accomplished some amazing things but imagine how much more he could have gotten done FOR the US if he had had the support of the Do Nothing But Obstruct And Lie Repub Congress.
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Not only that, the first legislation he signed was the Lily Ledbetter act.
You know, when I told a Republican co worker, a lady software engineer, that Republicans voted against equal pay for equal work she didn't believe it. She said that would be political suicide. I told her you don't believe it? 5 minutes on the Internet and you would know that truth. She said she wasn't going to bother since she knows it's not true. How can you fight that? The truth is, you can't. She believes what she believes. They only way she would know different is when she gets screwed over personally by GOP policies.
If you actually go look at legislation Obama has promoted and signed, he is amazingly accomplished.
But you knew you had someone when he went to the GOP retreat and came out with a sore hand after bitchslapping the entire GOP.
Fact-checking Obama and Republicans at GOP retreat PolitiFact
Obama Goes To GOP Lions Den -- And Mauls The Lions
Obama eats Republicans lunch Richard Adams US news The Guardian
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In the end, Obama will be judged on the hand he was dealt and how he played that hand
Only FDR was handed a worse economy and Obama will be credited with preventing an economic collapse
No president has had to deal with such an obstructive opposition party intent on preventing any legislative action that might make the president look good
Sorry to interrupt your lovefest, but the Lily Ledbetter Fair Play Act merely extended the statute of limitations for filing a pay discrimination lawsuit so that new plaintiffs could keep suing companies forever. Did you forget that, or is it just another of your omissions?
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Yup
Just like your slogan of "equal pay for equal work." How do you keep all your deceptions straight?
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You have issues with equal pay?
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This is entirely true.
Imagine if Jackie Robinson had hit .047 with 4 homeruns and 12 RBIs over his career. People would barely remember his name.
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\ The Lily Ledbetter Act did NOT have shit to do with forcing equal pay for equal work, that law already existed. All this Act did was lengthen the time women had to file a grievance.
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
LOL @ you talking about someone educating themselves.
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I have a problem with the way some define equal.
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Did I miss Ukraine Russian Again?
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What I don't see is you saying anything to back up your claim about Obama not being a failure. All you do is talk about the other guy. That's pretty silly if you're only support of him is how bad you claim someone else was instead of what you think makes him good.
What you're saying is like the person with an 80 IQ claiming he's not dumb because the other guy has a 75.
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The problem, as you damn well know, is that fact makes what RDean stated a direct and blatant misrepresentation of the truth. IOW, no one voted against fair pay. They voted against lengthening the statute of limitations. The fact that he/she was bloviating about truth at the same time is ironic. None of that matters to the partisans though - all that is important is 'scoring' another point.
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