What will be considered a success for the Trump - Putin meeting on Friday.

[Sherlock Holmes]

First and foremost knowing what Putin wants or expects from all of this

Everybody does know, Biden knew, the EU knew and they still know, Russia criteria haven't changed.

We spent. 4 years not speaking and only allowing deaths and the xiden family to enrich themselves …while part of that has come to and end, so does the death need to

All US presidents act the same way with foreign policy, there's no difference between Democrat or Republican, ask a Vietnamese or an Iraqi or a Palestinian or Iranian.

Trump's been told over and over what the Russian's want, if it hasn't sunk in yet then that's because trump is a dummy.

Cease all weapons to Ukraine and the war will stop in a few weeks, how can we stop a war while facilitating it at the same time?

Of course Raytheon and General Dynamics et-al don't want that, and trump does as he's told by the defense contractors, gotta keep US manufacturers busy!

 

[Dekster]

What will be considered a success for the Trump - Putin meeting on Friday.
Obviously an end to the war would be the ultimate. I don't expect anyone feels that will happen.
An immediate cease fire?
A reduction of warfare killing innocent civilians?
Putin committing to a meeting with Zelensky?

In my opinion, if Trump comes back and reiterates Putin wants Crimea and Donbas as a condition to end the war, it will be a total failure.
Another example of Putin playing Trump. Trump has threatened to do many things unless Russia backs off killing civilians and agrees to peace talks. Trump has done nothing. Putin has never felt more emboldened.

For the sake of the Ukranian people, I hope I am wrong.

It will be a historic success per Trump and MAGA no matter what the results are. They'll probably be some oil/minerals deal and that is it.

 

[struth]

Everybody does know, Biden knew, the EU knew and they still know, Russia criteria haven't changed.

All US presidents act the same way with foreign policy, there's no difference between Democrat or Republican, ask a Vietnamese or an Iraqi or a Palestinian or Iranian.

Trump's been told over and over what the Russian's want, if it hasn't sunk in yet then that's because trump is a dummy.

Cease all weapons to Ukraine and the war will stop in a few weeks, how can we stop a war while facilitating it at the same time?

Of course Raytheon and General Dynamics et-al don't want that, and trump does as he's told by the defense contractors, gotta keep US manufacturers busy!

1) what?
2) no not all US president’s invite an invasion and freeze defensive aid twice at the request of Putin. Nor have their families enrich themselves off the pain of the citizens of Ukraine

 

[ElmerMudd]

First and foremost knowing what Putin wants or expects from all of this

We spent. 4 years not speaking and only allowing deaths and the xiden family to enrich themselves …while part of that has come to and end, so does the death need to

Putin has increased the Russian fighting in Ukraine since Trump came into office. Trump went so far as to say Ukraine was responsible for the war. Trump said Ukraine had no cards to play.
PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE. YOU NEED TO MAKE THE AGRESSOR PAY IN SOME WAY. YOU DON'T REWARD THEM.

Putin wants all of Ukraine. With Trump he will get a big chunk and probably come back for more in a couple of years.

 

[ElmerMudd]

He doesn’t give away Alaska.

Trump thinks Alaska is part of Russia.
He keeps saying he is going to Russia to meet with Putin.

That explains why Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her back yard.

 

[22lcidw]

I doubt it. Trump doesn't even care about Americans, why would he care about Ukrainians?

And this isn't a Trump thing, it's actually a thing with political leaders in general. Very, very few politicians actually care about the lives of their own people. They only say they do, so that people will keep voting for them, or not kick them out too early.

The war is to long. Many casualties. And expensive. The territory is not important to us. At least enough to have a hundred years war over.

 

[ElmerMudd]

1) what?
2) no not all US president’s invite an invasion and freeze defensive aid twice at the request of Putin. Nor have their families enrich themselves off the pain of the citizens of Ukraine

Don't these MAGA minions see what Trump is doing. It is beyond politics. It is immoral.

MAGA is going to have some explaining to do when they go meet their maker.

 

[struth]

Putin has increased the Russian fighting in Ukraine since Trump came into office. Trump went so far as to say Ukraine was responsible for the war. Trump said Ukraine had no cards to play.
PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE. YOU NEED TO MAKE THE AGRESSOR PAY IN SOME WAY. YOU DON'T REWARD THEM.

Putin wants all of Ukraine. With Trump he will get a big chunk and probably come back for more in a couple of years.

Ukraine has no cards to play! They are completely depended on our aid

Of course Putin invaded, twice, once during the Obama admin and then again after xiden invited a invasion and freeze aid twice!

Trump is trying to stop the death! What part of that don’t you get?

Putin increased the fighting after Trump left office the first time

 

[ElmerMudd]

Ukraine has no cards to play! They are completely depended on our aid

Of course Putin invaded, twice, once during the Obama admin and then again after xiden invited a invasion and freeze aid twice!

Trump is trying to stop the death! What part of that don’t you get?

Putin increased the fighting after Trump left office the first time

Trump is a Putin butt kisser and you are a Trump butt kisser.

What butt kissers say means nothing.

 

[Invisibleflash]

What will be considered a success for the Trump - Putin meeting on Friday.
Obviously an end to the war would be the ultimate. I don't expect anyone feels that will happen.
An immediate cease fire?
A reduction of warfare killing innocent civilians?
Putin committing to a meeting with Zelensky?

In my opinion, if Trump comes back and reiterates Putin wants Crimea and Donbas as a condition to end the war, it will be a total failure.
Another example of Putin playing Trump. Trump has threatened to do many things unless Russia backs off killing civilians and agrees to peace talks. Trump has done nothing. Putin has never felt more emboldened.

For the sake of the Ukranian people, I hope I am wrong.

USA / NATO agrees that Ukraine can never being a member of NATO.
Russia keeps the Russian speaking territory.
Denazification.
NATO agrees to stop fighting Russia though its proxy Ukraine.
Sanctions removed.
USA returns $300 Billion stolen from Russia, as well as any assets stolen from Russia. Along with back %.
Ukraine is disarmed of weapons used to attack Russia.
USA / NATO signs an agreement stating this.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Doesn't matter, trump claims success no matter what the outcomes are because he doesn't give a shit, all he cares about is being noticed, being admired and lets face it, most of the trumpanzee deadbeats idolize the klutz even after all we've seen recently.

Stop the Ukraine war in a week? Nope, but they don't care.
Stop the Gaza genocide in a week? Nope, but they don't care.
Stop sending weapons to Ukraine? Nope, but they don't care.
Release the Epstein files once in office? Nope, but they don't care.
No more US war? Nope, lets bomb Iran, the magats don't care.

Sums Trump up!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump will surrender all Ukrainian territory lost and refuse further support for Ukraine. He literally is Putin's buttboy.

 

[Rogue AI]

I have a feeling that Putin just wants to play Trump again, But it
appears trump is on to him this time. The land swap is not a good idea.
It would favor Putin big time in a year or two if they did swap.

The likely swapping result would be Russia ceding territories in oblasts that did not vote to join Russia for any remaining land in oblasts that voted to join Russia that they do not control now. Probably the best deal the Ukrainians will ever get.

 

[konradv]

USA / NATO agrees that Ukraine can never being a member of NATO.
Russia keeps the Russian speaking territory.
Denazification.
NATO agrees to stop fighting Russia though its proxy Ukraine.
Sanctions removed.
USA returns $300 Billion stolen from Russia, as well as any assets stolen from Russia. Along with back %.
Ukraine is disarmed of weapons used to attack Russia.
USA / NATO signs an agreement stating this.

Ruzzian propaganda. What’s the ruble exchange rate these days and will anyone take them outside of N. Korea?

 

[ElmerMudd]

USA / NATO agrees that Ukraine can never being a member of NATO.
Russia keeps the Russian speaking territory.
Denazification.
NATO agrees to stop fighting Russia though its proxy Ukraine.
Sanctions removed.
USA returns $300 Billion stolen from Russia, as well as any assets stolen from Russia. Along with back %.
Ukraine is disarmed of weapons used to attack Russia.
USA / NATO signs an agreement stating this.

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[Mac1958]

What will be considered a success for the Trump - Putin meeting on Friday.
Obviously an end to the war would be the ultimate. I don't expect anyone feels that will happen.
An immediate cease fire?
A reduction of warfare killing innocent civilians?
Putin committing to a meeting with Zelensky?

In my opinion, if Trump comes back and reiterates Putin wants Crimea and Donbas as a condition to end the war, it will be a total failure.
Another example of Putin playing Trump. Trump has threatened to do many things unless Russia backs off killing civilians and agrees to peace talks. Trump has done nothing. Putin has never felt more emboldened.

For the sake of the Ukranian people, I hope I am wrong.

And here we go -- Putin knows what he's doing.

Everyone on the planet can see what this is, except for his target:

Putin praises Trump's 'energetic and sincere' peace efforts ahead of Alaska summit

 

[TimFitz]

I don't know but I suspect that European leaders and intel agencies don't believe Trump will be tough on Putin. Let's hope they are wrong. He has the cards as he can apply tariffs to Russia oil.

What is confusing to some online is that he has called out U.S police, AGs and judges with a declaration that "you better be tough" on domestic issues/crime so one would hope he would apply the same principle when dealing with a man who started a war in which hundreds of thousands of men have been killed, including many citizens.

A ceasefire would be a good start but he needs to have a hard time line on ending this war.

Of course not!

Trump is Putin’s poodle.

Putin will repeat the same set of demands, and Trump will go forth and try to lean on Zelinsky.

Zelinsky will reject Trump’s siding with Moscow.

 

[TimFitz]

First and foremost knowing what Putin wants or expects from all of this

We spent. 4 years not speaking and only allowing deaths and the xiden family to enrich themselves …while part of that has come to and end, so does the death need to

What an idiotic post!

There is no question or doubt regarding what Putin wants.

It has never been a mystery.

 

[22lcidw]

What will be considered a success for the Trump - Putin meeting on Friday.
Obviously an end to the war would be the ultimate. I don't expect anyone feels that will happen.
An immediate cease fire?
A reduction of warfare killing innocent civilians?
Putin committing to a meeting with Zelensky?

In my opinion, if Trump comes back and reiterates Putin wants Crimea and Donbas as a condition to end the war, it will be a total failure.
Another example of Putin playing Trump. Trump has threatened to do many things unless Russia backs off killing civilians and agrees to peace talks. Trump has done nothing. Putin has never felt more emboldened.

For the sake of the Ukranian people, I hope I am wrong.

If the west did not get involved the war would have ended long ago.

 

[struth]

What an idiotic post!

There is no question or doubt regarding what Putin wants.

It has never been a mystery.

What does he want?