What were the founders thinking?

[22lcidw]

What kind of a country would America have if it allowed average people to control the government? Yes, they taught us in school that here the people have the final word, which is what the founders intended, but those founders were ignorant backcountry folk who probably did not even brush their teeth.

The founders were not counting on treasonous scum like the current Dem party.

If the founders were alive today, they'd be saying, oh well, at least 200 years was a pretty good run before it all fell apart

No, no, no. . .

Contrary to the popular rhetoric, the founders of the United States are not turning in their graves because of the misuse of the Constitution, but rather, because of the continued exercise of their inadequate formulation of the government that has been compounded by miscalculated adjustments over the course of two hundred and fifty years. The revered founders would certainly not insist that their design is working as our civics studies lead us to believe. Perpetual corruption and social discontent indicate that the mission to deliver domestic tranquility has obviously been adverted and excused by political showmen, legal opportunists, and dim witted patriots.

Ask any mediocre law student and they will confirm that the founders’ proclivity would be very welcoming to consider a reformulation of the government.

Let us not disappoint them any longer.

The three-part separation theory for government is inadequately deployed, and subsequently, the balance of power is not balanced, and the checks on power can not work correctly. The “checks and balances” theory is a valid theory, but it is directly dependent on the integrity of the separation of government entities.

The irregular arrangement of the government skews the deliberation of the social issues, and that causes the partisan chaos that then trickles down causing the social disorder that we endure, . . . and then that cycles back in the agendas of the election campaigns; and thus, defines the boundaries of the proverbial box. The politicians are not corrupt, or misguided because they are not following the constitutions; they are corrupt, or misguided, because the checks and balances do not work. If the balance and checks on power worked, then we would not endure corruption, partisan cover-up, and the subsequent contentious economic debate that is very similar to the debate about religion that the American colonists argued - whose thinking processes are valid?

The American charter system was established within a relatively simpler and much less diverse society, and the government subsystems are not detailed and coordinated for the advanced sophisticated society that has evolved.

The Constitution is a document of liberty with a flaw. And has amendments. Outside forces from near the beginning wanted a Fiat Currency installed and even some founding fathers may have had the same view. The enactment of the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Income Tax in 1913 started our demise but we did not peak yet. Civil rights and Social Justice were right. The use of them to abuse the fiat currency and the federal income tax which has morphed into thousands of taxes marks the death of the American Republic and transitioned us into a Democracy and into whatever the Progressive Socialists with Repub help wants us to be now. And it will be totalitarian.

 

[colfax_m]

Now, at last, the government got rid of that pesky Donald Trump who was running around saying the people had a right to decide how their country was run.

Wasn’t this the guy who was also running around trying to take away the votes of millions of people because they hadn’t voted for him?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

What kind of a country would America have if it allowed average people to control the government?

There seem to be some anecdotes from the founders that pundits use suggesting caution upon the expansion of the government. What the brilliant legal scholars and popular media pundits fail to comprehend is that the founders did not know how to order the Constitution for expansion, because they did not have all of the information necessary for understanding a fully deployed robust government, nor did they have the HTML hierarchy formatting technology that is necessary for rendering a cascading hierarchy to accommodate the orderly expansion of government and coordination of the balance of power. The exploratory expansion of government is probably complete, but ultimately it is unformulated, and thus necessitating the politicians’ ad hoc remedies of new oversight entities that work for a couple of election cycles, that are then converted into crony corruption schemes and add to the pile of political chaos.

The founding principles of America are noble and honorable, but as society has advanced, We are unable to precisely approach those principles. The inadequate separation, and the derailed representation, cannot meet the sophisticated expectations of the advanced and tremendously more diverse society that the nation has evolved to.

The principles and civil rights are good and can be retained for the transition to a better, more detailed, government operations that will provide for a clear approach to Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

 

[BULLDOG]

What kind of a country would America have if it allowed average people to control the government? Yes, they taught us in school that here the people have the final word, which is what the founders intended, but those founders were ignorant backcountry folk who probably did not even brush their teeth. There were no Harvard and Yale law schools in the days of the founders and that was long before Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson played the wild cards of the New Deal and Great Society.

Governments are always comprised of special humans who gravitate to control other humans and get rich and powerful in the process. Did our founders not know that? It had been going on since the beginning with civilizations dying by the same suicide. Maybe they did know it and wanted to try a different way, but the people actually steering the government? What fools! The world laughed at them.

Now, at last, the government got rid of that pesky Donald Trump who was running around saying the people had a right to decide how their country was run. The people deduced that the Great Society had failed with generational poverty and crime plaguing the recipients of its gifts. Those Harvard and Yale graduates came up with an escape hatch to protect their gold-blame the white people! It worked for the Nazis when Jews were busy doing all right back in the day.

Now instead of measuring Jewish heads and calling them children of the Devil, Harvard and Yale came up with Black Lives Matter and Critical Race theory labeling Caucasian’s destroyers of the world! Just like in Germany the government escapes all its bad decisions by blaming an ethnic group and history repeats itself or as Yogi Berra said: “it’s déjà vu all over again”.

People controlling government? Not on Harvard and Yale’s watch! They had no choice but to step in and stuff ballot boxes with forklifts and semitrucks so they could show insolent voters you can’t beat city hall! The people just did not have Harvard and Yale educations and would not vote cooperatively.

Those stupid founders would have ruined everything if the people followed their advice and of course the corporate wallets of all those Harvard and Yale graduates would have become thinner as a returning middle class picked their pockets.

Now Confucius laughs as Joe Biden defies gravity and falls up Air Force One like a broken toy.

And you really thought that made sense, didn't you?

 

[JWBooth]

The weren’t particularly forward thinking. They did not foresee rule by mobs of the ignorant led by rent seekers.
Spooner was right.

 

[kaz]

What kind of a country would America have if it allowed average people to control the government? Yes, they taught us in school that here the people have the final word, which is what the founders intended, but those founders were ignorant backcountry folk who probably did not even brush their teeth.

The founders were not counting on treasonous scum like the current Dem party.

If the founders were alive today, they'd be saying, oh well, at least 200 years was a pretty good run before it all fell apart

No, no, no. . .

Contrary to the popular rhetoric, the founders of the United States are not turning in their graves because of the misuse of the Constitution, but rather, because of the continued exercise of their inadequate formulation of the government that has been compounded by miscalculated adjustments over the course of two hundred and fifty years. The revered founders would certainly not insist that their design is working as our civics studies lead us to believe. Perpetual corruption and social discontent indicate that the mission to deliver domestic tranquility has obviously been adverted and excused by political showmen, legal opportunists, and dim witted patriots.

Ask any mediocre law student and they will confirm that the founders’ proclivity would be very welcoming to consider a reformulation of the government.

Let us not disappoint them any longer.

The three-part separation theory for government is inadequately deployed, and subsequently, the balance of power is not balanced, and the checks on power can not work correctly. The “checks and balances” theory is a valid theory, but it is directly dependent on the integrity of the separation of government entities.

The irregular arrangement of the government skews the deliberation of the social issues, and that causes the partisan chaos that then trickles down causing the social disorder that we endure, . . . and then that cycles back in the agendas of the election campaigns; and thus, defines the boundaries of the proverbial box. The politicians are not corrupt, or misguided because they are not following the constitutions; they are corrupt, or misguided, because the checks and balances do not work. If the balance and checks on power worked, then we would not endure corruption, partisan cover-up, and the subsequent contentious economic debate that is very similar to the debate about religion that the American colonists argued - whose thinking processes are valid?

The American charter system was established within a relatively simpler and much less diverse society, and the government subsystems are not detailed and coordinated for the advanced sophisticated society that has evolved.

The Constitution is a document of liberty with a flaw. And has amendments. Outside forces from near the beginning wanted a Fiat Currency installed and even some founding fathers may have had the same view. The enactment of the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Income Tax in 1913 started our demise but we did not peak yet. Civil rights and Social Justice were right. The use of them to abuse the fiat currency and the federal income tax which has morphed into thousands of taxes marks the death of the American Republic and transitioned us into a Democracy and into whatever the Progressive Socialists with Repub help wants us to be now. And it will be totalitarian.

The 17th Amendment was even worse than the 16th.

Of course it was all over earlier when Lincoln ended the basis of legitimate government in this country, consent of the governed. Once government could conquer dissenting States, they were going to ignore Constitutional limits on their power

 

[struth]

Harvard existed at our Founding....it actually had been around over a 100 years by then...it was founded in 1636....and actually John Adams, Sam Adams, and John Hancock went there.

Yale was around at our Founding as well, it was established in 1701

Madison went to Princeton.

Hamilton and John Jay went to Columbia...

Those are just a few I thought of that went to what is now Ivy League schools.

A number of them went to William and Mary, which is now a public school in VA

Law schools: Law school in the United States - Wikipedia

yeah i wasn't talking about law schools....they didn't do law school the way we do it now back then

 

[struth]

Harvard existed at our Founding....it actually had been around over a 100 years by then...it was founded in 1636....and actually John Adams, Sam Adams, and John Hancock went there.

Yale was around at our Founding as well, it was established in 1701

Madison went to Princeton.

Hamilton and John Jay went to Columbia...

Those are just a few I thought of that went to what is now Ivy League schools.

A number of them went to William and Mary, which is now a public school in VA

There were nine schools at the time of the Revolution.

Harvard
Yale
Dartmouth
Brown
Columbia
Princeton
Penn
Rutgers
William and Mary.

At the time, Columbia was "King" College and Rutgers was "Queen" College. They were renamed afterwards to eliminate the association with the monarchy. Columbia then was at the southern end of Manhattan

I believe Princton was called like the NJ School or something, and UPenn was called something different as well...but were renamed too.

New Jersey was the only State with two colleges

ok...yep...what is now Princeton and what is now Rutgers...

Penn had the University of Philly, which became UPenn.

Conn had Yale
NY had Columbia
NJ had Princeton and Rutgers
Penn had UPenn
VA had William and Mary
New Hampshire and Dartmouth
Rhode Island had Brown
Mass had Harvard

 

[BlindBoo]

I'm sure they never expected a piece of shit like the traitorous Trumpybear to ever hold office, much less plan on how to combat an obvious power hunger authoritarian who despites the People, the Republic and the Constitution.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm sure they never expected a piece of shit like the traitorous Trumpybear to ever hold office, much less plan on how to combat an obvious power hunger authoritarian who despites the People, the Republic and the Constitution.

No doubt they made some assumptions that our standards would remain constant. Obviously they were wrong.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Our founding fathers were very wise men with great intentions, we're just not there anymore.

They couldn't have imagined the spectacle we've become, which is not their fault on any level. They couldn't have visualized 24/7 misinformation via gadgets, a pampered dumbed down society etc. etc. Their principles remain sound or at worst the best on Earth, the problem is our principles are in decay.

Remember, one reason for a Republic is they saw how a population could destroy us, which is what we're doing with the help of Demonicrats, China & misinformation.

Proof of that is California itself. NYC, Seattle etc. too. Ca. is the left's flagship State and why my Nevada property is worth 100K more than just a few months ago. The Democrats destroyed Ca., it was red before China, Clinton & internet. Now it's spreading like a disease, Nevada is now blue too and your State may be next.

 

[TNHarley]

Our founders were very wise. Of course, they would have never been able to see that liberty became an insult. How could they have known the ignorant masses would grow disdain for something so beautiful?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

And they couldn't have quite visualized how the USA would commit suicide for sake of one world quasi-communist order, if even quasi. We no longer act consistent with our founding father's doctrine. They didn't fuck-up, we did.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I'm sure they never expected a piece of shit like the traitorous Trumpybear to ever hold office, much less plan on how to combat an obvious power hunger authoritarian who despites the People, the Republic and the Constitution.

Why say shit you can't defend?

Rhetorical.

 

[lennypartiv]

What kind of a country would America have if it allowed average people to control the government?

The Founding Fathers knew it would be a big mistake to let dumb people vote.

 

[BluesLegend]

The founders were not counting on treasonous scum like the current Dem party.

The founders killed and drove out the treasonous scum.

 

[BluesLegend]

New Jersey was the only State with two colleges

New Jersey has gone to shit. The corruption between government and the public employee unions is off the charts, as are the sky high taxes levied to fund that giant kickback scheme.

 

[MarcATL]

OP, it's because it never happened.

Plain and simple.

 

[lennypartiv]

The founders were not counting on treasonous scum like the current Dem party.

The Founding Fathers knew that letting dumb people vote would send America on a down hill path.

 

[fncceo]

There were no Harvard and Yale law

Actually, Harvard was founded in 1639, 150 years before The Constitution was written. Yale was founded in 1701, 75 years before The Declaration of Independence.