What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

[Si modo]

Say thank you to the dumb American taxpayers.

False.

Zionist infrastructure was built by independent Jewish funds, group funds (eg, Jewish National Fund), and the World Zionist Congress in conjunction with the Jewish Agency.

Also...France was actually a better ally to Israel than the U.S. was after Independence.

They certainly were. France is the reason Israel allegedly has a nuclear weapons program.

 

[CitizenPained]

There is a common myth that Jews came in and just kicked Arab farmers out. Give me a break. They bought the land. These Arabs were tenants, not landowners.

Think about it. I want to start a moshav/kibbutz. It's socialist. We're getting some Jews together and we're going to go develop and live together. We get land from an Arab landlord who lives in, say, Lebanon. We purchase it, fair and square. It's ours.

There are already Arab farmers working it. We don't give them jobs because they'd be our indentured servants. If they are not part of the ideology, they can't be part of this group. I mean, hard to have a commune and hire outside help for 90 per cent of the work, right? That's exploitation that's NO BETTER than early European tenement housing in the cities and completely AGAINST everything the Labor Zionists stood for!

So the Arabs have to go. And they're pissy about it because they lost their jobs. Some return to their homelands. Some stay and live in squalor, uneducated and poor. They don't do shit for themselves. So they rise up against Jews after awhile, encouraged by violent (and educated, powerful, political) muftis who want the Jewish vermin off lands because they want to control a new Arab state.

You can't steal land you already bought.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has always been heavily subsidized by foreign donation and foreign aid.

The Palestinian improvements were paid for with retained earnings from profits that were more available when they were no longer taxed by the Ottoman Empire.

"Retained earnings"?
Tinhead, You are Brain-Dead IDIOT pulling words from your Man-porked ass.

The degree of palestine that was privately owned was owned by a FEW wealthy landowners many of whom sold to the Jews.
The vast bulk of Arabs were ASS-POOR tenant farmers.
There were NO "Retained earnings" you IDIOT!

And Already refuted in this string/The OP.
It was Zionist Money that transformed Palestine by ALL accounts.

Your post Empty Denial with NO refutation of Facts.
Pure empty nonsense.

And in fact, The 'Palestinians' (whatever the hell that is) always flocked to wherever for Jobs.
This includes Tens of Thousands STILL to Israel especially pre-intifada.
They flocked to Kuwait too until 400,000 were kicked out.
And Iraq until another 50000-100,000 were kicked out.
Palestinians/ARABS are Migrant workers, NOT a people and have no "Retained earnings" You utter DOPE!
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The Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine after WWI. this land was being distributed to the people who owned rights. The Palestinians had "land rights" that could be bought, sold, or inherited. They no longer had to lease these rights giving them more money for investment.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is a common myth that Jews came in and just kicked Arab farmers out. Give me a break. They bought the land. These Arabs were tenants, not landowners.

Think about it. I want to start a moshav/kibbutz. It's socialist. We're getting some Jews together and we're going to go develop and live together. We get land from an Arab landlord who lives in, say, Lebanon. We purchase it, fair and square. It's ours.

There are already Arab farmers working it. We don't give them jobs because they'd be our indentured servants. If they are not part of the ideology, they can't be part of this group. I mean, hard to have a commune and hire outside help for 90 per cent of the work, right? That's exploitation that's NO BETTER than early European tenement housing in the cities and completely AGAINST everything the Labor Zionists stood for!

So the Arabs have to go. And they're pissy about it because they lost their jobs. Some return to their homelands. Some stay and live in squalor, uneducated and poor. They don't do shit for themselves. So they rise up against Jews after awhile, encouraged by violent (and educated, powerful, political) muftis who want the Jewish vermin off lands because they want to control a new Arab state.

You can't steal land you already bought.

By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.

 

[Truthseeker420]

lol yeah it's had nothing to do with the trillions in dollars from U.S. and money from other countries.

It didn't. The U.S. was not giving Zionists aid in 1901, and most certainly not to the tune of trillions.

Your pics were well after zionist took control of America in 1913.

 

[CitizenPained]

By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

 

[CitizenPained]

lol yeah it's had nothing to do with the trillions in dollars from U.S. and money from other countries.

It didn't. The U.S. was not giving Zionists aid in 1901, and most certainly not to the tune of trillions.

Your pics were well after zionist took control of America in 1913.

I just roflcoptered. Yeah, Jews control everything.

 

[CitizenPained]

Also: That 6 per cent is CULTIVATED and DEVELOPED land, not the Negev or the forest or the wasteland that was Eilat and Tel Aviv before their founding.

 

[Truthseeker420]

It didn't. The U.S. was not giving Zionists aid in 1901, and most certainly not to the tune of trillions.

Your pics were well after zionist took control of America in 1913.

I just roflcoptered. Yeah, Jews control everything.

who said Jews?

 

[CitizenPained]

Your pics were well after zionist took control of America in 1913.

I just roflcoptered. Yeah, Jews control everything.

who said Jews?

The Zionists in 1913 were Jews.

Duh.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I just roflcoptered. Yeah, Jews control everything.

who said Jews?

The Zionists in 1913 were Jews.

Duh.

not all of them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

 

[CitizenPained]

By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

Ceded by whom?

 

[Toronado3800]

By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

The Ottomans took it from the Eastern Roman Empire. So by some previously stated logic if land can not be taken by war it belongs to the Romans and the Jews were there in the time of the Romans not the Palestinians.

Hey, you were the one who said the first Palestinian newspaper was 1910 or so, right? Is that when the word "Palestinian" was invented?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

Ceded by whom?

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[27]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Truthseeker420]

Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.

But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?

Hmmm?

MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

The Ottomans took it from the Eastern Roman Empire. So by some previously stated logic if land can not be taken by war it belongs to the Romans and the Jews were there in the time of the Romans not the Palestinians.

Hey, you were the one who said the first Palestinian newspaper was 1910 or so, right? Is that when the word "Palestinian" was invented?

Palestinians is an English word but they have been living there since the days of the Canaanites.

 

[CitizenPained]

The land was ceded to the Palestinians. Nobody else has any right to it. No other foreigners owned it. Britain did not take possession.

The Ottomans took it from the Eastern Roman Empire. So by some previously stated logic if land can not be taken by war it belongs to the Romans and the Jews were there in the time of the Romans not the Palestinians.

Hey, you were the one who said the first Palestinian newspaper was 1910 or so, right? Is that when the word "Palestinian" was invented?

Palestinians is an English word but they have been living there since the days of the Canaanites.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo, they have not. And to claim that only gives credence to the Religious Zionist movement as Hebrews settled and built the land and the Canaanites were largely adsorbed (eg, converted).

Seriously, the attempt to label Palestinians 'Caananites' is just a way to try to undercut Israel's self determination.

No Arab called himself a Canaanite until the last ten or fifteen years, when they decided it would be politically expedient to rewrite 4,000 years of history.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Ottomans took it from the Eastern Roman Empire. So by some previously stated logic if land can not be taken by war it belongs to the Romans and the Jews were there in the time of the Romans not the Palestinians.

Hey, you were the one who said the first Palestinian newspaper was 1910 or so, right? Is that when the word "Palestinian" was invented?

Palestinians is an English word but they have been living there since the days of the Canaanites.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo, they have not. And to claim that only gives credence to the Religious Zionist movement as Hebrews settled and built the land and the Canaanites were largely adsorbed (eg, converted).

Seriously, the attempt to label Palestinians 'Caananites' is just a way to try to undercut Israel's self determination.

No Arab called himself a Canaanite until the last ten or fifteen years, when they decided it would be politically expedient to rewrite 4,000 years of history.

Najd was a Palestinian village of about 300 people in 1550. By 1948 when it was attacked by Israel 700 people were expelled. Najd was not different than hundreds of Palestinian cities and villages that were attacked and the people expelled.

These people are the Palestinians.

 

[CitizenPained]

HUNDREDS? Damn. Do you have names and reputable cites for that - not our Palestine Remembered shit?

 

[Truthseeker420]

The Ottomans took it from the Eastern Roman Empire. So by some previously stated logic if land can not be taken by war it belongs to the Romans and the Jews were there in the time of the Romans not the Palestinians.

Hey, you were the one who said the first Palestinian newspaper was 1910 or so, right? Is that when the word "Palestinian" was invented?

Palestinians is an English word but they have been living there since the days of the Canaanites.

Nooooooooooooooooooooo, they have not. And to claim that only gives credence to the Religious Zionist movement as Hebrews settled and built the land and the Canaanites were largely adsorbed (eg, converted).

Seriously, the attempt to label Palestinians 'Caananites' is just a way to try to undercut Israel's self determination.

No Arab called himself a Canaanite until the last ten or fifteen years, when they decided it would be politically expedient to rewrite 4,000 years of history.

I'n not trying to hurt or help anyones cause. I can just tell you what I believe and why. I want them both to live in peace .