Zone1 What to Do with Gaza?

[M14 Shooter]

Ignorance kills.

Sorry you hate the truth, but there isn't anything I can do about it -- it's still the truth.,

 

[surada]

There is no such thing as "Palestine"

And no, the Jews won't be exterminated.

When you go to war with CIVILIANS and attempt true genocide, and you get your hairy Arab asses kicked, you lose your place in the land of Israel.

It was called Syria Palestine by Herodotus in 500 BC. Plus, both Chaucer and Shakespeare wrote about Palestine.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Your ZioNazi Ashkenazi Jewish buddies are going to get kicked out of Palestine. The place has been called Palestine since the second century. That's about, let's see. Hmm....2000 FUCKING YEARS!!!! Dumbass.

Well, Dumbass, it's been the Land of Israel for 3,500 years.

You should do a little research on the origin of the name "Palestine', not that it would get past the demons who possess your soul

In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were conquered, and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel.

 

[Kruska]

It was called Syria Palestine by Herodotus in 500 BC. Plus, both Chaucer and Shakespeare wrote about Palestine.

IIRC there was a mentioning of a certain place in the Iliad by Homer. The Greeks getting bored in beleaguering Troy - undertook several raids into neighboring "kingdoms", and came upon one on a coastline that was on par with them and revealed themselves to share a common ancestry, thus providing Greek hospitality and supplies. - still trying to figure that "place" out.

 

[Kruska]

A remarkably silly statement.
Wholesale Muslim violence against Jews began almost 1000yrs ago, on the Iberian peninsula; modern persecution began in the mid 1600s and increased greatly in the 1800 and thru WW2 - indeed, the first non-Germanic SS division was Muslim.

What Muslim violence against Jews on the Iberian peninsula? source?

And by 1490 the Muslims had been entirely driven out of Spain & Portugal. As such any persecution and expulsion of Jews on the Iberian peninsula from 1492 and onward, has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims nor Islam - but solely Christianity.

The Enduring Peace between Muslims and Jews in Al-Andalus

History bears witness to the fact that in Spain Jews, Muslims and Christians thrived as a community, living and working together.

www.reviewofreligions.org

These records show us different aspect of the issues and daily routine that the Jewish Community had in Spain. Thanks to them, we are able to establish that until the Caliphate was abolished, they had a peaceful life, with no restrictions in the practice of their religion, their freedom of expression, and no friction with the Muslims. They were able to study, get married, get divorced and lead a peaceful and meaningful life.

Thanks to this and other discoveries, we know that in Spain Jews, Muslims and Christians thrived as a community, living and working together. We see how Jews were able to participate in all sectors of the economy and were not prohibited from even the most profitable enterprises, such as the trade in furs and spices.

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

For the Jews, previously subjected to discrimination and persecution under Visigothic rule, the limitations that the Muslims imposed appeared relatively benign. In return for their subservience, Jews were guaranteed the free practice of their religion, the administration of their own affairs, mobility, and the freedom to engage in a variety of occupations, provided they didn’t exercise authority over a Muslim. Given these basic assurances, Jews in Muslim Spain found themselves in a rapidly expanding self-confident and stimulating civilization. Social discrimination did not preclude cultural sharing. The distinction and tensions between the two spheres—the cultural and the political—was often expressed eloquently in the poetry of the Jews of Spain. The very asymmetry between cultural sharing and social and religious ostracism was itself a creative factor in shaping Sephardic Jewry.
With the Almohad invasion of Spain in 1147, the Jews were forced to either accept Islam or to flee, and Jewish life in Muslim Spain virtually ceased as Andalusian Jewry scattered to North Africa, Provence, and Christian Spain.

As such Jews had a good time in Spain from 700A.D. to 1150 A.D. - 450 years, and from 1150 A.D. they also settled in Muslim ruled North-Africa were they were not persecuted. From 1150 A.D. to 1492 those who refused to convert lived mostly in Christian controlled Castile and Aragon. And had nothing much to laugh about for 350 years - till the Kingdom of Spain kicked them all out in 1492 - whilst they were able to remain in any Muslim ruled states.

 

[krichton]

No, they want them in the land they were born in and have lived for generations, i mean what are they thinking?

So they can never leave even when they want to?

 

[Deadstick]

Your personal opinion doesn't change nor impact the existence of the UN - and international law is binding for any UN member.
Russia attacked Ukraine - that is in violation with international law. The reasons as to why Russia might find a justification for it's attack is a separate issue. And that separate issue was NOT acknowledged by the vast majority of the UN member countries.

If Putin doesn't like it - he is IMO free to say - fuck the UN - I am out. Russia then will lose it's veto bargain chip in the UN. Fine with me also. All these veto buggers should move out of the UN - it's an undemocratic concept at it's finest - and has rendered the UN to be incapable to fulfill it's task.

However Israel or e.g. the USA are the first ones when it comes to making use of international law - when it fits their purpose.
So Israel has a right to defend it's self according to international law - BUT in the frame of international law - aka no war-crimes.
The Palestinians also have a right to defend themselves according to IL - BUT in the framework of IL - no war-crimes aka crimes against humanity.

Australia is acting against international law via denying equal rights to the aborigines. - IMO they are free to say - fuck the UN - we are out
But Australia is committed with the USA to oppose China - when it comes to making use of international law - aka China's SCS issue. So?

As for aboriginal or indigenous peoples evolutionary failures - there are known reason for that. And those reasons do NOT change for the better via segregation - they only uphold and worsen the situation.

As you might know - I am a former South-African who also served in the SADF.
Just as these European Jews - millions of non-South African Negros "illegally" entered South-Africa. (Those Australian aborigines did NOT enter Australia illegally). "Unfortunately" the SADF was never tasked with "relocating" these illegals back into their original home countries. Just as the Arabs and Palestinians never had a Nation nor an Army in 1925, to forcefully drive ah... "relocate" these 60,000 Jewish illegal immigrants back to their home countries, whilst allowing the remaining 20,000 "local" Jews to stay and live in peace - just as they had done for 1400 years.

Instead they were allowed to nestle in SA and continuously brought in their families and tribes-folks. - just like the Jews bringing in their tribesmen for 100 years into Palestine - later Israel.

Eventually the ANC (terrorists) just like Haganah (and foremost recruited from these illegals) started to terrorize the European population. (People who had been living there for hundreds of years). Since the illegals together with the locals become a population majority from the 50'ies onward they now demanded the "entire territory" for themselves. Israel aka Jews only became a majority due to having forcefully driven out a million Palestinians.

Now back to "indigenous peoples evolutionary failures" - if SA would not have introduced Apartheid but shared their wealth and education system with the local Negros, the Coloreds and Asians (foremost Indians), we could have formed a majority coalition against these illegal Negro immigrants - relocate them jointly back to where they came from, and SA now would be ruled by educated Negros, Coloreds, Europeans and Asians. Instead SA is now ruled by, as you say; uneducated indigenous-migrant people with evolutionary failures.

And don't forget, Israel was Apartheid SA - best friend and supporter - right to the end, and not just because of DeBeers.

Your point about those Zionists backing the vile Apartheid State is spot on, they may have also helped that Regime to have nuclear weapons.

 

[Deadstick]

When their Zionist asses are driven back to Poland or Crown Heights Brooklyn. They could have had a two-state solution, but they decided to extend Jewish settlements into the West Bank to a point now that is irreversible, short of a war (no agreement or "peace plan" will achieve it, only war). So the only solution now is for Palestine to be completely liberated from these racist Jewish supremacists. Given what they're doing now in Gaza, carrying out their genocidal bombing campaign, they should indeed be driven back to Brooklyn or Russia (wherever these ZioNazis came from). Bye-bye, good riddance.

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FREE PALESTINE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA!​

It's the only language those Zionist fascists understand, it's nothing to do with Judaism it's about the vile ubermench mentality of Zionism which has more in common with the NSDAP.

 

[surada]

Well, Dumbass, it's been the Land of Israel for 3,500 years.

You should do a little research on the origin of the name "Palestine', not that it would get past the demons who possess your soul

In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were conquered, and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel.

Herodotus the Greek historian called it Syria-Palestine in 500 BC. Palestine was always a province of Syria.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

For the fools here

Why Israel is not an Apartheid state, despite what you are hearing | Opinion

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Kruska]

.... they may have also helped that Regime to have nuclear weapons.

Rather the other way around - SA had founded the Atomic Energy Board (AEB in 1957) - later (ARMSCOR) took over. The USA shared nuke know-how onto the SAFARI-1 and supplied nuclear fuel since SA was their major supplier for uranium ore.
SA refused to sign the NPT in 1976 - and the USA then retracted further cooperation. Already in 1974 Vorster (SA) and Peres (Israel) had met.

SA lacked in balistic missile technology - though initially cooperating with France and German companies. Upon the embargo Israel came into the picture via supplying modified Israeli Jericho II missiles and additionally ventured into SA nuke program.
South Africa then agreed to exchange 50 tons of uranium ore concentrate for 30 grams of Tritium. (Israels nuke program was based on Tritium) and agreed to provide Israel with testing facilities and grounds.

UN Resolution 3379 condemned “the unholy alliance between South African Racism and Zionism.”

 

[rosends]

It was called Syria Palestine by Herodotus in 500 BC. Plus, both Chaucer and Shakespeare wrote about Palestine.

why would quoting authors who lived in the 14th and 15/16th centuries prove anything about the use of a word in antiquity?

 

[surada]

Well, Dumbass, it's been the Land of Israel for 3,500 years.

You should do a little research on the origin of the name "Palestine', not that it would get past the demons who possess your soul

In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were conquered, and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel.

You are completely wrong. It was called Syria Palestine by the Greeks in 500 BC.

 

[surada]

why would quoting authors who lived in the 14th and 15/16th centuries prove anything about the use of a word in antiquity?

Because it's the truth. Even the Jews claim they had to kill the Canaanites who lived there. Remember, Egypt controlled Canaan.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

why would quoting authors who lived in the 14th and 15/16th centuries prove anything about the use of a word in antiquity?

She/he just wants to be seen as knowledgeable.

Some people are like that.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Rather the other way around - SA had founded the Atomic Energy Board (AEB in 1957) - later (ARMSCOR) took over. The USA shared nuke know-how onto the SAFARI-1 and supplied nuclear fuel since SA was their major supplier for uranium ore.
SA refused to sign the NPT in 1976 - and the USA then retracted further cooperation. Already in 1974 Vorster (SA) and Peres (Israel) had met.

SA lacked in balistic missile technology - though initially cooperating with France and German companies. Upon the embargo Israel came into the picture via supplying modified Israeli Jericho II missiles and additionally ventured into SA nuke program.
South Africa then agreed to exchange 50 tons of uranium ore concentrate for 30 grams of Tritium. (Israels nuke program was based on Tritium) and agreed to provide Israel with testing facilities and grounds.

UN Resolution 3379 condemned “the unholy alliance between South African Racism and Zionism.”

^ More boredom.

 

[rosends]

Because it's the truth. Even the Jews claim they had to kill the Canaanites who lived there. Remember, Egypt controlled Canaan.

The truth is that Shakespeare twice mentioned a region of the world that had held a particular name for over 1000 years by the time Will S. wrote. Your mentioning it is not useful to your argument. So now you move to a different claim about the Jewish approach to the nations of K'na'an (there were 7), a claim which is irrelevant. Why do that?

 

[Kruska]

why would quoting authors who lived in the 14th and 15/16th centuries prove anything about the use of a word in antiquity?

The truth is that Shakespeare twice mentioned a region of the world that had held a particular name for over 1000 years by the time Will S. wrote. Your mentioning it is not useful to your argument. So now you move to a different claim about the Jewish approach to the nations of K'na'an (there were 7), a claim which is irrelevant. Why do that?

Because you ignorantly and persistently deny the existing Philistines of 1300 B.C. who gave the name to this area - before the Israelits appeared - and further deny that the Greek called this place Palestine in 500 B.C. and that the Romans took over the Greek term in 200 B.C. - just like you deny any FACT that places the radical Zionist in their deserved spot alongside with the Nazis and their common ideology pertaining to being a "superior" "race" - Jews ain't a race - and advocating/practicing an ethnic cleansing policy towards non-Jews aka Goyim's.

 

[rosends]

Because you ignorantly and persistently deny the existing Philistines of 1300 B.C. who gave the name to this area

Actually, the Philistines mentioned textually were a Greek, sea faring people. They lived in a limited area near the coast. The area on the whole was named a bit differently

The Forgotten History of the Term "Palestine"

Some think of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute as a clash of nationalisms. Others stress religious antagonism, while others yet see an East-West power struggle. But it is roundly agreed upon that a key element of the conflict is land. That land, for many years by many people, was called...

www.hudson.org

just like you deny any FACT that places the radical Zionist in their deserved spot alongside with the Nazis and their common ideology pertaining to being a "superior" "race"

except Judaism doesn't teach that.

- Jews ain't a race - and advocating/practicing an ethnic cleansing policy towards non-Jews aka Goyim's.

So more ignorance by you. You should feel comfortable asking questions if there are things you don't. Rushing blindly ahead and saying things that are inaccurate doesn't help your cause.

and, of course, none of this has anything to do with a decision to quote writers from the 13th-16th centuries who were discussing a general region.

 

[TruthNotBS]

It's the only language those Zionist fascists understand, it's nothing to do with Judaism it's about the vile ubermench mentality of Zionism which has more in common with the NSDAP.

Exactly. You said it well, the "ubermench" Zionist mentality, is what led to this insane apartheid state. These Zionists are nuts, including their Evangelical followers/slaves. Freaking idiotic and crazy. The only language they understand and appreciate is violence. I don't see how the situation now is going to return to the status quo. Either Zionist-Israel moves its settlers out of the West Bank and the 67 borders are restored or the Jewish apartheid state of Israel will go the way of the dodo. The whole country will be Palestine. They should choose now, before it's too late, assuming it's not too late already. It probably is.