What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic

[Neotrotsky]

What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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[CrusaderFrank]

Reads like Obama's unreleased college thesis

 

[Neotrotsky]

Reads like Obama's unreleased college thesis

Too funny

 

[edthecynic]

What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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Reagan's mentor.

 

[edthecynic]

what political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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out of context!

 

[Neotrotsky]

what political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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out of context!

Edthemathmajor

good to see you

the posting group does say "talk about anything"- this is anything is it not?

Poor Ed, always just a little short of the mark

 

[edthecynic]

what political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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out of context!

Edthemathmajor

good to see you

the posting group does say "talk about anything"- this is anything is it not?

Poor Ed, always just a little short of the mark

Well, since you have stooped to attacking me, you obviously agree the quote is out of context.

As you well know, to Hitler "Socialism" did not mean the same thing as you CON$ mean by it.

 

[Neotrotsky]

out of context!

Edthemathmajor

good to see you

the posting group does say "talk about anything"- this is anything is it not?

Poor Ed, always just a little short of the mark

Well, since you have stooped to attacking me, you obviously agree the quote is out of context.

As you well know, to Hitler "Socialism" did not mean the same thing as you CON$ mean by it.

Ed

what a attack? Edthemathmajor? I view that as "term of endearment" for you. But, if you do find it insulting then by all means I will go by your posting name.

Socialism does not mean the same to conservatives- possible. Out of context- What was Hitler speaking in "pig latin" ?
But it sure does sound like something the left would say

Let's see
socialism is the gov't intrusion via gov't fiat or ownership of the factors of production to advance gov't goals
You are right Ed, no comparative value there at all

 

[edthecynic]

Edthemathmajor

good to see you

the posting group does say "talk about anything"- this is anything is it not?

Poor Ed, always just a little short of the mark

Well, since you have stooped to attacking me, you obviously agree the quote is out of context.

As you well know, to Hitler "Socialism" did not mean the same thing as you CON$ mean by it.

Ed

what a attack? Edthemathmajor? I view that as "term of endearment" for you. But, if you do find it insulting then by all means I will go by your posting name.

Socialism does not mean the same to conservatives- possible.
But it sure does sound like something the left would say

Hitler wasn't the Left, so it was something the Right DID say.

April 24, 2008
RUSH: Mayor Daley's cops, his thugs went out there and were attacking Democrats, and the SDS was there and all the anti-war crowd -- the Jerry Reubens and the Tom Haydens -- they were starting fires and so forth, and the Democrats sent Mayor Daley's thugs out there to beat 'em upside the head!

April 24, 2008
CALLER: However, I'm one of those so-called thugs that you referred to. A Chicago policeman from '68 that was one of Daley so-called henchmen -- which we weren't, by the way, Rush.

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait just a second. You know, I understand why you called. You don't understand. I was proud of the cops. It was a term -- Daley's goons, Daley's thugs -- the point to me was that Daley had sent you guys out to beat up on his own people.

CALLER: A lot of us were very, very conservative.

RUSH: No, no, no. It was a term of endearment.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Well, since you have stooped to attacking me, you obviously agree the quote is out of context.

As you well know, to Hitler "Socialism" did not mean the same thing as you CON$ mean by it.

Ed

what a attack? Edthemathmajor? I view that as "term of endearment" for you. But, if you do find it insulting then by all means I will go by your posting name.

Socialism does not mean the same to conservatives- possible.
But it sure does sound like something the left would say

Hitler wasn't the Left, so it was something the Right DID say.

April 24, 2008
RUSH: Mayor Daley's cops, his thugs went out there and were attacking Democrats, and the SDS was there and all the anti-war crowd -- the Jerry Reubens and the Tom Haydens -- they were starting fires and so forth, and the Democrats sent Mayor Daley's thugs out there to beat 'em upside the head!

April 24, 2008
CALLER: However, I'm one of those so-called thugs that you referred to. A Chicago policeman from '68 that was one of Daley so-called henchmen -- which we weren't, by the way, Rush.

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait just a second. You know, I understand why you called. You don't understand. I was proud of the cops. It was a term -- Daley's goons, Daley's thugs -- the point to me was that Daley had sent you guys out to beat up on his own people.

CALLER: A lot of us were very, very conservative.

RUSH: No, no, no. It was a term of endearment.

Oh yes, the great left lie that Hitler was not a "creature of the left". This is up there with the soviets were not really communists

Tell me Ed, is it only the great historical failures of the left that the left does not want to owe up to ..?
What about the successes - oh wait what successes?


As a side note,

Mussolini (another fascist) also said:

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

and he said:

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


Also,

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)


You may be on to something Ed,

Fascist basing their policies in the left
I don't know where this crazy idea comes from

 

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What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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millard fillmore

 

[edthecynic]

Ed

what a attack? Edthemathmajor? I view that as "term of endearment" for you. But, if you do find it insulting then by all means I will go by your posting name.

Socialism does not mean the same to conservatives- possible.
But it sure does sound like something the left would say

Hitler wasn't the Left, so it was something the Right DID say.

April 24, 2008
RUSH: Mayor Daley's cops, his thugs went out there and were attacking Democrats, and the SDS was there and all the anti-war crowd -- the Jerry Reubens and the Tom Haydens -- they were starting fires and so forth, and the Democrats sent Mayor Daley's thugs out there to beat 'em upside the head!

April 24, 2008
CALLER: However, I'm one of those so-called thugs that you referred to. A Chicago policeman from '68 that was one of Daley so-called henchmen -- which we weren't, by the way, Rush.

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait just a second. You know, I understand why you called. You don't understand. I was proud of the cops. It was a term -- Daley's goons, Daley's thugs -- the point to me was that Daley had sent you guys out to beat up on his own people.

CALLER: A lot of us were very, very conservative.

RUSH: No, no, no. It was a term of endearment.

Oh yes, the great left lie that Hitler was not a "creature of the left". This is up there with the soviets were not really communists

When you CON$ lie about something so trivial as what a "term of endearment" is, why should anyone believe you would tell the truth about anything else?
Hitler is the patron saint of the Right.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Hitler wasn't the Left, so it was something the Right DID say.

April 24, 2008
RUSH: Mayor Daley's cops, his thugs went out there and were attacking Democrats, and the SDS was there and all the anti-war crowd -- the Jerry Reubens and the Tom Haydens -- they were starting fires and so forth, and the Democrats sent Mayor Daley's thugs out there to beat 'em upside the head!

April 24, 2008
CALLER: However, I'm one of those so-called thugs that you referred to. A Chicago policeman from '68 that was one of Daley so-called henchmen -- which we weren't, by the way, Rush.

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait just a second. You know, I understand why you called. You don't understand. I was proud of the cops. It was a term -- Daley's goons, Daley's thugs -- the point to me was that Daley had sent you guys out to beat up on his own people.

CALLER: A lot of us were very, very conservative.

RUSH: No, no, no. It was a term of endearment.

Oh yes, the great left lie that Hitler was not a "creature of the left". This is up there with the soviets were not really communists

When you CON$ lie about something so trivial as what a "term of endearment" is, why should anyone believe you would tell the truth about anything else?
Hitler is the patron saint of the Right.

How do you know that it is not a "term of endearment" ? I feel no anger towards you ed (pity maybe but no anger)

Please explain how hitler's old socialism is not the new socialism?

Has there been an upgrade that I have not been made aware of...?

Or do you think the left will get it right this time?

 

[Neotrotsky]

What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system.............


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

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millard fillmore

Funny

Maybe Harrison
short but powerful career

 

[edthecynic]

Oh yes, the great left lie that Hitler was not a "creature of the left". This is up there with the soviets were not really communists

When you CON$ lie about something so trivial as what a "term of endearment" is, why should anyone believe you would tell the truth about anything else?
Hitler is the patron saint of the Right.

How do you know that it is not a "term of endearment" ? I feel no anger towards you ed (pity maybe but no anger)

Please explain how hitler's old socialism is not the new socialism?

Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.

And as you well know, Hitler was very clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." -- Francis Ludwig Carsten, The Rise of Fascism, University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Hitler quote from Sunday Express.

Hitler also said, "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative". -- private statement made by Hitler on March 24, 1942. Cited in "Hitler's Secret Conversations." Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens. Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. 1953. p. 294

 

[Neotrotsky]

When you CON$ lie about something so trivial as what a "term of endearment" is, why should anyone believe you would tell the truth about anything else?
Hitler is the patron saint of the Right.

How do you know that it is not a "term of endearment" ? I feel no anger towards you ed (pity maybe but no anger)

Please explain how hitler's old socialism is not the new socialism?

Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.

And as you well know, Hitler was very clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." -- Francis Ludwig Carsten, The Rise of Fascism, University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Hitler quote from Sunday Express.

Hitler also said, "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative". -- private statement made by Hitler on March 24, 1942. Cited in "Hitler's Secret Conversations." Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens. Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. 1953. p. 294

"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


We never said Hitler was a Marxist now did we ? There are a lot of interpretations of socialism; but that does not make one NOT a socialist. For example, fascism never had the international element to it that played a role in communism, however, this did not take away from fascism's dependency on statism to advance their governmental goals.

Even Lenin had have the N.E.P. to keep the economy from totally collapsing. Funny, how the even the very first attempts at communism failed

So what's your point? That in the transformation of a free market economy, socialists will need private enterprise to help them therefore they are not politically socialists?

Ed, most socialist states tend to encourage the growth of larger corporations because of the increased economics of scale created by gov't intrusion.

Do you think a socialist gov't could have created the German war machine in the same time period and quality from scratch? (Think DMV) The nazi's were only being pragmatic in trying to build their war machine quickly. Indeed, they had monetary help from the same industrial groups that knew they could benefit from them being in power. Nor does this take away from the idea of a socialist gov't using their power to control the means of production through fiat. Were those companies responding to the free market by building tanks and such? If you believe that then I have a Pork Bill to sell you.

Strange, you see the same things today with politicians.


So if you are saying Hitler was being a pragmatic socialist by using private capital -sure
But, if you are saying this does not make him a socialist - wrong


You have still missed the mark Ed. Back to the original question

Again socialism is the gov't intrusion via gov't fiat or ownership of the factors of production to advance gov't goals
Please explain how hitler's old socialism is not the new socialism?



If anything, when one considers Papa Obama's secret deals with companies like Big Pharma, you have done
more to show similarities with Papa Obama then support the question.

Somehow, we don't think that was your intention


But it is funny- thanks for the laugh

 

[edthecynic]

How do you know that it is not a "term of endearment" ? I feel no anger towards you ed (pity maybe but no anger)

Please explain how hitler's old socialism is not the new socialism?

Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.

And as you well know, Hitler was very clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." -- Francis Ludwig Carsten, The Rise of Fascism, University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Hitler quote from Sunday Express.

Hitler also said, "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative". -- private statement made by Hitler on March 24, 1942. Cited in "Hitler's Secret Conversations." Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens. Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. 1953. p. 294

"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

In typical CON$ervoFascist fashion, you twist words to create the context you want and then dishonestly put "quotation" marks on the words you fabricated.
That's why no honest person trusts any quote cited by a CON$ervaTard.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.

And as you well know, Hitler was very clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." -- Francis Ludwig Carsten, The Rise of Fascism, University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Hitler quote from Sunday Express.

Hitler also said, "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative". -- private statement made by Hitler on March 24, 1942. Cited in "Hitler's Secret Conversations." Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens. Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. 1953. p. 294

"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

In typical CON$ervoFascist fashion, you twist words to create the context you want and then dishonestly put "quotation" marks on the words you fabricated.
That's why no honest person trusts any quote cited by a CON$ervaTard.

Strange how someone who claims I was attacking them uses nothing but derogatory names against other posters

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much"


Ed,
in the speed of typing I misplaced a " mark. But you are right Ed, it change everything. No one reading it could understand or got the complete wrong idea. Good thing you pointed out this high level of deception...

Maybe we should not end here. Perhaps in true leftist form, we should have a "Soviet-style show trial" for crimes against the state?


Too bad Ed, Just when I thought you might be coming to the "light", you have jumped back into the "darkness"
For minute there, I almost thought we were friends.

Oh well, more broken hope from the left. One would think, sadly, that we be use to it by now

 

[Xenophon]

How ironic this thread is under the sticky for this forum.

 

[Neotrotsky]

How ironic this thread is under the sticky for this forum.

It does say something about - Talk about anything...none of it matters here.

I suppose the moderator could move it