What % Of Blacks Will Vote in 2018?

[sealybobo]

Black people complain that no one is listening to them. They don't realize the only thing politicians listen to are money and voters. Since blacks don't have any money, they need to get out and vote. Don't protest, don't boycott, don't riot, don't kill cops. VOTE! And not just when a black man is running for president. The rich whites that don't give a shit about you keep control via midterms. So don't show up and vote this November because of the cops, or because Republican governors give you lead poisoning. Show up every election! Then you will have some power in this country.

How many blacks will show up in 2018? More or less than 50%? If the number is less than 50%, they can forget about mattering. If you don't vote you don't matter.

No matter the turnout politicians on both sides won't listen to blacks, because: 1. Most black organization demands like BLM are devoid of logic and rationale and should be dismissed.
2. Blacks are most ignorant of politics so they don't know what is really going on anyways.
3. The big one why no politicians care about blacks, is they vote 90%+ for Democrats year in and out. Democrats take them for granted and only work for other groups like Hispanics, Asians, Union workers etc. The Republicans also see this and write the black vote off as well.

Black turnout could be 100% and eh politicians will still not give a damn about them.

Are you a Republican? Who you voting for?

Gary Johnson.

I might be independent if the Demorats didn't nominate such far left ideologues.

But I thought she was a corporate democrat? See why the GOP's message is confusing and sound more like bullshit than reality? One day she's a socialist liberal lefty and the other she's in Wallstreet's pockets. Smart people won't join the GOP. Not if they care about We the People.

 

[Flopper]

Black people complain that no one is listening to them. They don't realize the only thing politicians listen to are money and voters. Since blacks don't have any money, they need to get out and vote. Don't protest, don't boycott, don't riot, don't kill cops. VOTE! And not just when a black man is running for president. The rich whites that don't give a shit about you keep control via midterms. So don't show up and vote this November because of the cops, or because Republican governors give you lead poisoning. Show up every election! Then you will have some power in this country.

How many blacks will show up in 2018? More or less than 50%? If the number is less than 50%, they can forget about mattering. If you don't vote you don't matter.

If they are all voting for Hillary, they will certainly matter, particularly in battleground states.

I can prove it matters. Why did Obama win in 2008 and 2012 but Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014? Blacks have the power to win midterms. They don't so Republicans win. And Republicans blame Democrats for blacks problem and offer no alternative. Anyone buying that logic is too dumb to vote.

Midterm election turnouts are 40% to 50% of presidential elections for both whites and blacks. Black voters can certainly make a difference in elections but they do not constitute a large block compared to white voters. There are only 26 million black registered voters compared to 152 million registered white voters. Since Blacks tend to vote as a block in presidential elections they can certainly make a difference in battleground states and states where the outcome is close.

When both Blacks and Hispanic voters vote the same way, they become a very powerful block of voters.

In midterm elections, local issues and popularity of local candidates often become more important than national issues and voters tend to cross party lines more than in presidential elections. This goes for both whites and blacks, democrats and republicans.

 

[sealybobo]

Black people complain that no one is listening to them. They don't realize the only thing politicians listen to are money and voters. Since blacks don't have any money, they need to get out and vote. Don't protest, don't boycott, don't riot, don't kill cops. VOTE! And not just when a black man is running for president. The rich whites that don't give a shit about you keep control via midterms. So don't show up and vote this November because of the cops, or because Republican governors give you lead poisoning. Show up every election! Then you will have some power in this country.

How many blacks will show up in 2018? More or less than 50%? If the number is less than 50%, they can forget about mattering. If you don't vote you don't matter.

If they are all voting for Hillary, they will certainly matter, particularly in battleground states.

I can prove it matters. Why did Obama win in 2008 and 2012 but Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014? Blacks have the power to win midterms. They don't so Republicans win. And Republicans blame Democrats for blacks problem and offer no alternative. Anyone buying that logic is too dumb to vote.

Midterm election turnouts are 40% to 50% of presidential elections for both whites and blacks. Black voters can certainly make a difference in elections but they do not constitute a large block compared to white voters. There are only 26 million black registered voters compared to 152 million registered white voters. Since Blacks tend to vote as a block in presidential elections they can certainly make a difference in battleground states and states where the outcome is close.

When both Blacks and Hispanic voters vote the same way, they become a very powerful block of voters.

In midterm elections, local issues and popularity of local candidates often become more important than national issues and voters tend to cross party lines more than in presidential elections. This goes for both white and black, democrat and republicans.

I have a thread where I call women out for not voting. I should have one for poor whites too. My goal is to have EVERYONE prove me wrong and vote. I don't care who you vote for. If that's who you want I can live with it. I didn't like the bush years father or son. But I survived. Don't want to see cons get to appoint a righty to the supremes but I'll survive that too. I just remember the Clinton years were good. We had a surplus. Paul Ryan will be newt and hillary will be bill.

 

[Flopper]

Black people complain that no one is listening to them. They don't realize the only thing politicians listen to are money and voters. Since blacks don't have any money, they need to get out and vote. Don't protest, don't boycott, don't riot, don't kill cops. VOTE! And not just when a black man is running for president. The rich whites that don't give a shit about you keep control via midterms. So don't show up and vote this November because of the cops, or because Republican governors give you lead poisoning. Show up every election! Then you will have some power in this country.

How many blacks will show up in 2018? More or less than 50%? If the number is less than 50%, they can forget about mattering. If you don't vote you don't matter.

If they are all voting for Hillary, they will certainly matter, particularly in battleground states.

I can prove it matters. Why did Obama win in 2008 and 2012 but Democrats lost in 2010 and 2014? Blacks have the power to win midterms. They don't so Republicans win. And Republicans blame Democrats for blacks problem and offer no alternative. Anyone buying that logic is too dumb to vote.

Midterm election turnouts are 40% to 50% of presidential elections for both whites and blacks. Black voters can certainly make a difference in elections but they do not constitute a large block compared to white voters. There are only 26 million black registered voters compared to 152 million registered white voters. Since Blacks tend to vote as a block in presidential elections they can certainly make a difference in battleground states and states where the outcome is close.

When both Blacks and Hispanic voters vote the same way, they become a very powerful block of voters.

In midterm elections, local issues and popularity of local candidates often become more important than national issues and voters tend to cross party lines more than in presidential elections. This goes for both white and black, democrat and republicans.

I have a thread where I call women out for not voting. I should have one for poor whites too. My goal is to have EVERYONE prove me wrong and vote. I don't care who you vote for. If that's who you want I can live with it. I didn't like the bush years father or son. But I survived. Don't want to see cons get to appoint a righty to the supremes but I'll survive that too. I just remember the Clinton years were good. We had a surplus. Paul Ryan will be newt and hillary will be bill.

If Hillary is elected and Republicans control congress, she's going to have a hard time getting anything through just like Obama. If Trump wins, he's going to have a hard time with Republicans in congress as well as Democrats. It would not surprise me it Trump sided with Democrats. He's about as much a liberal as he is a conservative. Since he has no political ideology, and is a Washington outsider with no political debts, that should not be a problem.

I think Trump will approach the presidency just as he approached running for president. He will size up the two parties, and the issues and decide which issues and which party he stands the best chance of winning the fight with and that will be the direction he will go. He could care less about the issues or the parties. He just wants to win.

 

[Asclepias]

I disagree. I myself have set the example by registering independent. My vote is going to the party that will do the most for my people. I encourage every Black person I meet to do the same thing.

That's fantastic and I applaud you for doing so, but the truth remains that the democrats will continue getting the vast majority of black votes and making empty promises. I do have to note, however, that you are looking at government as an agent to do things for you, not as an obstacle preventing you from succeeding for yourself.

Even with empty promises its still better than racists diligently working against you trying to return the US to the Jim Crow era. Yes the government is there to do things for me. They are there to clear the way and provide services. If they arent doing those things then they are not needed and yes they are an obstacles.

Your problem is obvious. You believe people are really trying to go back to Jim Crow. They're not. Well, there may be little pockets of ignorance remaining, but then there are pockets of black racists who want to kill ****** too. The point is, there simply is not enough force behind those movements to re-enact Jim Crow. That's dead and gone.

I dont see it as a problem. I see it as remaining vigilant. While there may be just small pockets I would need to be convinced of that. I see racists lining up behind the repub party. I see the GOP candidate courting that segment. There would be no way an intelligent Black person (that was not an uncle tom and looking out for himself) could ever justify to me why they were voting for such a person or party.

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

 

[Asclepias]

it won't change if you don't vote. Pick a black leader and vote for them.

If one democrat screws you vote for a more progressive liberal in the primaries.

Obama couldn't do shit for black people because blacks rewarded Republicans who obstructed Obama by not voting in the 2010 midterms. Rather than vote out the obstructionists you rewarded by staying home.

Blacks never vote midterms. Don't act like you tried a couple midterms in a row and didn't have a lot of success. If I'm wrong whens the last time a lot of blacks voted in a midterm?

Don't vote don't matter.

Why don't liberals vote in the midterms?

Why do poor whites vote conservative?

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

 

[hadit]

That's fantastic and I applaud you for doing so, but the truth remains that the democrats will continue getting the vast majority of black votes and making empty promises. I do have to note, however, that you are looking at government as an agent to do things for you, not as an obstacle preventing you from succeeding for yourself.

Even with empty promises its still better than racists diligently working against you trying to return the US to the Jim Crow era. Yes the government is there to do things for me. They are there to clear the way and provide services. If they arent doing those things then they are not needed and yes they are an obstacles.

Your problem is obvious. You believe people are really trying to go back to Jim Crow. They're not. Well, there may be little pockets of ignorance remaining, but then there are pockets of black racists who want to kill ****** too. The point is, there simply is not enough force behind those movements to re-enact Jim Crow. That's dead and gone.

I dont see it as a problem. I see it as remaining vigilant. While there may be just small pockets I would need to be convinced of that. I see racists lining up behind the repub party. I see the GOP candidate courting that segment. There would be no way an intelligent Black person (that was not an uncle tom and looking out for himself) could ever justify to me why they were voting for such a person or party.

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

 

[hadit]

Why don't liberals vote in the midterms?

Why do poor whites vote conservative?

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

 

[Flopper]

Why do poor whites vote conservative?

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

We are going to need less and less people working. That should be quite clear. We are having more people in the world scrambling for fewer jobs so those that are the most productive and will work for the least money are going to get the jobs but eventually those jobs will become a casualty to technology. The utopia our forefathers dreamed of where machines did our work for us, may not be the utopia they dreamed of.

 

[hadit]

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

We are going to need less and less people working. That should be quite clear. We are having more people in the world scrambling for fewer jobs so those that are the most productive and will work for the least money are going to get the jobs but eventually those jobs will become a casualty to technology. The utopia our forefathers dreamed of where machines did our work for us, may not be the utopia they dreamed of.

That depends on your definition of work. Manual labor for certain will decrease in importance. Other types of pursuits requiring creativity will increase.

 

[Flopper]

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

We are going to need less and less people working. That should be quite clear. We are having more people in the world scrambling for fewer jobs so those that are the most productive and will work for the least money are going to get the jobs but eventually those jobs will become a casualty to technology. The utopia our forefathers dreamed of where machines did our work for us, may not be the utopia they dreamed of.

That depends on your definition of work. Manual labor for certain will decrease in importance. Other types of pursuits requiring creativity will increase.

We've heard this idea for years. The need for lower skill workers will continue to go down while the need for higher skilled more creative workers will increase. So low skilled workers will just go back to school and become highly skilled creative workers; problem solved. Unfortunately, turning a burger flipper, or a clerk into a biotech researcher, an information architect, or a financial manager is not working.

The major problem is we can not create enough jobs that low skilled workers can transition into because there is just not that much demand because so many of those jobs are either going overseas, or being cut because of various technology improvements.

 

[Asclepias]

Even with empty promises its still better than racists diligently working against you trying to return the US to the Jim Crow era. Yes the government is there to do things for me. They are there to clear the way and provide services. If they arent doing those things then they are not needed and yes they are an obstacles.

Your problem is obvious. You believe people are really trying to go back to Jim Crow. They're not. Well, there may be little pockets of ignorance remaining, but then there are pockets of black racists who want to kill ****** too. The point is, there simply is not enough force behind those movements to re-enact Jim Crow. That's dead and gone.

I dont see it as a problem. I see it as remaining vigilant. While there may be just small pockets I would need to be convinced of that. I see racists lining up behind the repub party. I see the GOP candidate courting that segment. There would be no way an intelligent Black person (that was not an uncle tom and looking out for himself) could ever justify to me why they were voting for such a person or party.

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

It may be hyperbole to say Jim Crow but just like they merely exchanged Jim Crow for stepped up police presence in Black neighborhoods and a war on drugs to imprison and control more Blacks, they are hard a work bringing something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people.

 

[Asclepias]

Why do poor whites vote conservative?

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

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So what do you do with the people that cant find a job that supports a family comfortably? So far I havent heard any intelligent answers that dont include welfare and training.

 

[hadit]

Your problem is obvious. You believe people are really trying to go back to Jim Crow. They're not. Well, there may be little pockets of ignorance remaining, but then there are pockets of black racists who want to kill ****** too. The point is, there simply is not enough force behind those movements to re-enact Jim Crow. That's dead and gone.

I dont see it as a problem. I see it as remaining vigilant. While there may be just small pockets I would need to be convinced of that. I see racists lining up behind the repub party. I see the GOP candidate courting that segment. There would be no way an intelligent Black person (that was not an uncle tom and looking out for himself) could ever justify to me why they were voting for such a person or party.

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

It may be hyperbole to say Jim Crow but just like they merely exchanged Jim Crow for stepped up police presence in Black neighborhoods and a war on drugs to imprison and control more Blacks, they are hard a work bringing something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people.

There is a lot of crime in inner city "black" neighborhoods. Is that a correct statement? Answer that honestly before going on.

If that is true, then it stands to reason that there should be a larger police presence there than say in neighborhoods where there is little crime. Is that also true? Let's put it this way. If there is a lot of crime in an area, would you prefer that the police stay away?

Now, what exactly is this "something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people" that you fear?

 

[hadit]

Because they don't want to be punished if they become successful. But even more than that, they just want to be left alone and not have Big Brother watching.

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

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So what do you do with the people that cant find a job that supports a family comfortably? So far I havent heard any intelligent answers that dont include welfare and training.

There are, and always will be, people that truly NEED help to survive and thrive, and I have no problem with society creating a true safety net for those people. For everyone else, we need more of a trampoline than a net. IOW, temporary assistance to get back on your feet instead of a permanent snare of dependence.

And, I dispute the need to "support a family comfortably". I'm talking about basic survival, not comfort. The poor in our country often live like the wealthy of many countries.

 

[Asclepias]

I dont see it as a problem. I see it as remaining vigilant. While there may be just small pockets I would need to be convinced of that. I see racists lining up behind the repub party. I see the GOP candidate courting that segment. There would be no way an intelligent Black person (that was not an uncle tom and looking out for himself) could ever justify to me why they were voting for such a person or party.

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

It may be hyperbole to say Jim Crow but just like they merely exchanged Jim Crow for stepped up police presence in Black neighborhoods and a war on drugs to imprison and control more Blacks, they are hard a work bringing something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people.

There is a lot of crime in inner city "black" neighborhoods. Is that a correct statement? Answer that honestly before going on.

If that is true, then it stands to reason that there should be a larger police presence there than say in neighborhoods where there is little crime. Is that also true? Let's put it this way. If there is a lot of crime in an area, would you prefer that the police stay away?

Now, what exactly is this "something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people" that you fear?

Yes there is lots of crime in Black inner city neighborhoods just as in white suburban neighborhoods. The problem is the selective way those neighborhoods are policed. Also we must note that prior to civil rights there was very little police presence or crime in Black neighborhoods. As I pointed out before, it was a way to maintain control after losing Jim Crow. We know this because of Nixons comments on the issue. We know this because the CIA and FBI flooded those Black and Latino neighborhoods with drugs. (Never realizing whites would come to get some too)

In theory your assertion makes sense. However, you are missing the reality of the racist white cops that patrol Black neighborhoods. You may want to believe me on this. I grew up in such a neighborhood and was harassed simply because I was Black not because I committed crimes. Yes I would prefer the police stay away since they are not professional enough to do their jobs correctly and make the situation worse by assisting the criminals, robbing the low level criminals, and targeting Blacks for family altering stints in prison.

 

[Asclepias]

The problem is that there will always be a segment of poor whites that are not going to be successful. In essence they are voting for a pipe dream. If they were really afraid of being punished they wouldn't vote for conservatives because those are the people that cut their welfare. If they were really intent on becoming successful they wouldnt accept welfare.

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

Methadone maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what do you do with the people that cant find a job that supports a family comfortably? So far I havent heard any intelligent answers that dont include welfare and training.

There are, and always will be, people that truly NEED help to survive and thrive, and I have no problem with society creating a true safety net for those people. For everyone else, we need more of a trampoline than a net. IOW, temporary assistance to get back on your feet instead of a permanent snare of dependence.

And, I dispute the need to "support a family comfortably". I'm talking about basic survival, not comfort. The poor in our country often live like the wealthy of many countries.

Again a good theory but you miss what I previously said. There simply are not enough good jobs for everyone. Even if everyone did everything they could do, were able to overcome racism, handicaps, and were employable there simply are not enough jobs that can support a family to go around. Also you keep forgetting their has to be the concept of the have and have nots for capitalism to work.

I dont believe in comparing apples to oranges or worrying about what is happening in other countries. The standard of living in this country is the issue. I dont believe in saying that since there are people in Korea that live worse than someone in the hood does here then thats ok. Its not because its all relative to their reality.

 

[hadit]

And therein lies your problem. You have successfully broken with the democrats, and that's a good thing, but you are still convinced (apparently) that the majority of white people are racists. I disagree. I see no one trying to, for example, resurrect Jim Crow era laws. Do you honestly see anyone desiring to do so?

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

It may be hyperbole to say Jim Crow but just like they merely exchanged Jim Crow for stepped up police presence in Black neighborhoods and a war on drugs to imprison and control more Blacks, they are hard a work bringing something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people.

There is a lot of crime in inner city "black" neighborhoods. Is that a correct statement? Answer that honestly before going on.

If that is true, then it stands to reason that there should be a larger police presence there than say in neighborhoods where there is little crime. Is that also true? Let's put it this way. If there is a lot of crime in an area, would you prefer that the police stay away?

Now, what exactly is this "something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people" that you fear?

Yes there is lots of crime in Black inner city neighborhoods just as in white suburban neighborhoods. The problem is the selective way those neighborhoods are policed. Also we must note that prior to civil rights there was very little police presence or crime in Black neighborhoods. As I pointed out before, it was a way to maintain control after losing Jim Crow. We know this because of Nixons comments on the issue. We know this because the CIA and FBI flooded those Black and Latino neighborhoods with drugs. (Never realizing whites would come to get some too)

In theory your assertion makes sense. However, you are missing the reality of the racist white cops that patrol Black neighborhoods. You may want to believe me on this. I grew up in such a neighborhood and was harassed simply because I was Black not because I committed crimes. Yes I would prefer the police stay away since they are not professional enough to do their jobs correctly and make the situation worse by assisting the criminals, robbing the low level criminals, and targeting Blacks for family altering stints in prison.

Some day the police may take you up on that and I think you would find it worse without their presence. Without them, whoever has the most firepower would rule. You would be trading one hassle for another.

 

[hadit]

True that. Welfare is a trap. Glad we agree on that. Now, why do you think so much of society is intent on not only maintaining the welfare state, but expanding it?

Because most logical thinking people realize the industrial age is over. Jobs that can comfortably support a family are less in number. The capitalistic system requires that there be have nots. Have nots are the ones trying to achieve social status and are easy to market to.
There is an excellent book regarding this subject written by a Black man that owned a marketing company and the book is targeted towards Blacks.

https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashed-...ority/dp/1401925928&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20


Anyway, If the social safety net is not expanded you are going to have people that drop out of society and thats always dangerous. These people will prey on the haves. Until there is a way to make sure everyone has money to spend and people are educated welfare is the best option until people can be transitioned into the information age. In my field all the people that are being employed are people from overseas like India and China. They cost less for the companies to pay. Its actually sad how much they are paid vs what an american would make.

Same here. That's why I long ago transitioned away from code development into database administration. I have to find ways to justify my higher salary by providing more value to the company.

The BIG problem with not only maintaining, but expanding, the welfare state is that it will NEVER go away because once people become dependent, they demand more, not less. Your prescription is akin to satisfying a heroin addict's demands for more heroin instead of making him go through painful withdrawal so he can be independent of the stuff.

Methadone maintenance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what do you do with the people that cant find a job that supports a family comfortably? So far I havent heard any intelligent answers that dont include welfare and training.

There are, and always will be, people that truly NEED help to survive and thrive, and I have no problem with society creating a true safety net for those people. For everyone else, we need more of a trampoline than a net. IOW, temporary assistance to get back on your feet instead of a permanent snare of dependence.

And, I dispute the need to "support a family comfortably". I'm talking about basic survival, not comfort. The poor in our country often live like the wealthy of many countries.

Again a good theory but you miss what I previously said. There simply are not enough good jobs for everyone. Even if everyone did everything they could do, were able to overcome racism, handicaps, and were employable there simply are not enough jobs that can support a family to go around. Also you keep forgetting their has to be the concept of the have and have nots for capitalism to work.

I dont believe in comparing apples to oranges or worrying about what is happening in other countries. The standard of living in this country is the issue. I dont believe in saying that since there are people in Korea that live worse than someone in the hood does here then thats ok. Its not because its all relative to their reality.

If there are not enough jobs for everyone, a viable alternative is to be a job creator. Become a business owner, hire people, and try to make a profit. It would change your perspective and you would probably become a Republican voter when you find out how hard democrats have made it for business startups to succeed.

 

[Asclepias]

I see a lot of whites desiring to do so. I think most white leaders are smart enough to know there will be blood spilled if it was ever tried again. This isnt your grandfathers Black people that stayed out of sight and kept to themselves. Blacks nowdays will make whites regret doing anything stupid.

IOW, Republican leaders (you know, the ones that can actually make and enforce laws) are NOT trying to resurrect Jim Crow. We can, therefore, safely do away with that line of "thought".

It may be hyperbole to say Jim Crow but just like they merely exchanged Jim Crow for stepped up police presence in Black neighborhoods and a war on drugs to imprison and control more Blacks, they are hard a work bringing something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people.

There is a lot of crime in inner city "black" neighborhoods. Is that a correct statement? Answer that honestly before going on.

If that is true, then it stands to reason that there should be a larger police presence there than say in neighborhoods where there is little crime. Is that also true? Let's put it this way. If there is a lot of crime in an area, would you prefer that the police stay away?

Now, what exactly is this "something that will have a disastrous effect on Black people" that you fear?

Yes there is lots of crime in Black inner city neighborhoods just as in white suburban neighborhoods. The problem is the selective way those neighborhoods are policed. Also we must note that prior to civil rights there was very little police presence or crime in Black neighborhoods. As I pointed out before, it was a way to maintain control after losing Jim Crow. We know this because of Nixons comments on the issue. We know this because the CIA and FBI flooded those Black and Latino neighborhoods with drugs. (Never realizing whites would come to get some too)

In theory your assertion makes sense. However, you are missing the reality of the racist white cops that patrol Black neighborhoods. You may want to believe me on this. I grew up in such a neighborhood and was harassed simply because I was Black not because I committed crimes. Yes I would prefer the police stay away since they are not professional enough to do their jobs correctly and make the situation worse by assisting the criminals, robbing the low level criminals, and targeting Blacks for family altering stints in prison.

Some day the police may take you up on that and I think you would find it worse without their presence. Without them, whoever has the most firepower would rule. You would be trading one hassle for another.

Police are nothing more than people with training, legal protection, and a uniform. We can police ourselves. The BPP did an excellent job as did the NOI in proving that. I'm all for the cops taking me up on that.