What Noem said that caused Padilla to ask a question.

[Monoculturalist]

Dems are NOT supporting illegal immigration, but they are being realistic in their solutions, while Republicans like the status quo and refuse to change it.

You cannot deport 10 million people. It's not physically possible, and it's certainly not good economics to do so. You can deport 400,000 people per year - realistically.

Trump's illegal and ill advised attempts to increase that number, have caused widespread chaos throughout the nation and resulted in FEWER deportations than the Democrats did, while blowing the entire ICE budget in just a few month.

Instead of locking up immigrants, Democrats arrest their employers and charge them. The fines levied pay for the investigation and prosecution, and when these companies are under compliance orders, they're monitored by ICE to ensure that they're not hiring illegals. When companies stop hiring, illegal border crossings drop like a stone. Democrats reduce illegal border crossings and the fines collected from employers pays for the border enforcement. WIN/WIN for the nation.

Republicans refuse to prosecute employers so as soon as Republican is in office, Tyson and Koch put out word "now hiring illegals" and they come running. Republicans get to claim Democrats favour "open borders" and they get to make a big show of mass arrests and deportations, but the numbers of undocument workers continue to rise.

Stop blaming Democrats for your problem with illegals. Republicans have refused to change immigration laws since 1987, because this shit is working for them.

It was not "realistic" to let things go completely to shit on the border like Biden did. It was also not realistic to bus them or fly them to various large cities to have them stay at hotels and such. It was so unrealistic, in fact, that a lot of local democrats were pissed at the administration for how their cities were being flooded with illegals.

You can deport 10 million people, but it takes time. Granted, it takes a lot more time than normal when courts that don't even have jurisdiction obstruct the process.

I can support fining employers, but that's only part of the process.

While I can concede that the GOP overall has been lackluster in fixing this issue, dems have blocked a lot of legislation for reforming immigration. There is a large section of the Democratic party that wants mass amnesty.

 

[Monoculturalist]

Ronnie Reagan gave us the biggest amnesty in history yet you people always seem to conveniently ignore this fact.

Stop the nonsense.

I don't ignore that, which is why I don't idolize Reagan. He did get certain things right, but he ultimately was a big government president, unfortunately.

 

[Zafira Cherry]

When K.L. Noem speaks, no one listens.

When Noem speaks it's like a tree falling in the woods.

When Noem drives past the SPCA the dogs play dead

 

[MarcATL]

I don't ignore that, which is why I don't idolize Reagan. He did get certain things right, but he ultimately was a big government president, unfortunately.

Well, maybe not you, but you can't say that these inconvenient facts are largely memory holed by Republicans in general.

Am I right?

 

[Monoculturalist]

Well, maybe not you, but you can't say that these inconvenient facts are largely memory holed by Republicans in general.

Am I right?

Sure. Reagan is definitely overrated overall. I think the last great president we had was Eisenhower. It's been kind of depressing since then.

 

[Dragonlady]

Ronnie Reagan gave us the biggest amnesty in history yet you people always seem to conveniently ignore this fact.

Stop the nonsense.

The last time I posted this they tried to claim the Democrats made him do it. My response is that the Democrats fought against it tooth and claw, on the grounds that it would encourage MORE illegals to pour into the country in the hopes of a future amnesty, which is pretty much what did happen.

Democrats only voted for Reagan's Bill after they pushed for and got harsh penalties for employers of illegal immigrants in the 1986 immigration reform bill, but those laws and penalties have NEVER been fully enforced, and certainly under George W. Bush and Trump's first term, they weren't enforced at all. In both cases, when enforcement against employers ended, illegal immigration spiked.

Clinton, Obama and Biden all prosecuted employers. BIGLY. And in all cases, illegal immigration declined because of their policies.

 

[pknopp]

The last time I posted this they tried to claim the Democrats made him do it. My response is that the Democrats fought against it tooth and claw, on the grounds that it would encourage MORE illegals to pour into the country in the hopes of a future amnesty, which is pretty much what did happen.

Democrats only voted for Reagan's Bill after they pushed for and got harsh penalties for employers of illegal immigrants in the 1986 immigration reform bill, but those laws and penalties have NEVER been fully enforced, and certainly under George W. Bush and Trump's first term, they weren't enforced at all. In both cases, when enforcement against employers ended, illegal immigration spiked.

Clinton, Obama and Biden all prosecuted employers. BIGLY. And in all cases, illegal immigration declined because of their policies.

Nobody has prosecuted but a small percent of employers. Even then its just generally a fine.

 

[Meister]

How do we get you to understand that fascism is bad?

Just keep watching the democrats.
This nation is barely keeping it's head above water
with the democrats trying to destabilize the government.
The socialists/communists have taken over the party.
There is where the fascism lies.

 

[Woodznutz]

"We are staying here to liberate [LA] from the socialists and the burdensome leadership this governor and mayor have placed on this country and this city."

YOu guys know that's the very definition of a coup, right?

Why is no one talking about this?

The election of Trump was actually a coup to throw out a corrupt administration.

 

[Dragonlady]

Nobody has prosecuted but a small percent of employers. Even then its just generally a fine.

Obama's prosecutions were VERY successful, as were Clintons. Clinton got over 1,000 orders against employers and illegal border crossings were at an all-time low since Reagan's reform law was passed, when W was inaugurated. W not only stopped prosecuting employers, he didn't do much in the way of deportations either.

Between the Great Recession, and Obama's "Deporter in Chief" enforcement, Obama reduced illegal border crossings to a 50 year low. Of course nobody was going to give Trump money to build a wall when there were few people coming in so Trump set about to increase illegal crossings so he could justify building the wall.

Trump was aided and abetted by FOX with its phony stories about "Soros backed Caravans", and MS13 gang members coming from El Salvador. MS13 is an American gang headquartered in Los Angeles. The gang members in El Salvador are American deportees.

This is the classic case of Trump manufacturing a crisis so he can be seen as solving it.

 

[pknopp]

Obama's prosecutions were VERY successful, as were Clintons. Clinton got over 1,000 orders against employers and illegal border crossings were at an all-time low since Reagan's reform law was passed, when W was inaugurated. W not only stopped prosecuting employers, he didn't do much in the way of deportations either.

Between the Great Recession, and Obama's "Deporter in Chief" enforcement, Obama reduced illegal border crossings to a 50 year low. Of course nobody was going to give Trump money to build a wall when there were few people coming in so Trump set about to increase illegal crossings so he could justify building the wall.

Trump was aided and abetted by FOX with its phony stories about "Soros backed Caravans", and MS13 gang members coming from El Salvador. MS13 is an American gang headquartered in Los Angeles. The gang members in El Salvador are American deportees.

This is the classic case of Trump manufacturing a crisis so he can be seen as solving it.

Average of 15 a year since 1986. Thats not even 1000 in total.

 

[Dragonlady]

Average of 15 a year since 1986. Thats not even 1000 in total.

No, that was more than 1000 in the 8 years that Clinton was in office. That more than 100 per year which is a LOT of convictions.

You have to go after the big employers and hit them hard, to frighten the smaller guys. It's easier for smaller companies to hide their practices because public companies must have audited financial statements and reporting. Small private companies can bury a multitude of crimes by paying in cash.

2 companies admit to hiring illegal aliens, each forfeit $2 million

Atrium Companies, the owner of Houston-based Champion Window, and Advanced Containment Systems Inc. (ACSI), have agreed to adhere to revised immigration compliance programs and to each pay $2 million as forfeited funds to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

www.ice.gov

Employers must be prosecuted to end the flow of illegal immigrants

Millions make this dangerous journey across the southern border because of the attraction of work.

thehill.com

 

[sartre play]

How? In the 90s, even the Democrats were against illegal immigration. Now, the Dems actively support mass amnesty while the GOP gives lip service to border security while still hiring illegals. That's much further left than it used to be.

In the 00s, everyone knew what a woman was. A guy pretending to be a woman was rightfully seen as mentally ill. Today, you can get fired for stating the obvious truth on that.

Socially, we've swung far left on most social issues. The West overall has. With any luck, there might be some shifting back to the right now, but since the left still maintains control of academia and most of the media, it's slow going.

Not getting into the sex stuff again, BUT we have large problems with immigration.
Wish I had a simple solution, but I Don't. Not many looking for rational solutions.

 

[pknopp]

No, that was more than 1000 in the 8 years that Clinton was in office. That more than 100 per year which is a LOT of convictions.

Link?

You have to go after the big employers and hit them hard, to frighten the smaller guys. It's easier for smaller companies to hide their practices because public companies must have audited financial statements and reporting. Small private companies can bury a multitude of crimes by paying in cash.

2 companies admit to hiring illegal aliens, each forfeit $2 million

Atrium Companies, the owner of Houston-based Champion Window, and Advanced Containment Systems Inc. (ACSI), have agreed to adhere to revised immigration compliance programs and to each pay $2 million as forfeited funds to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

www.ice.gov

Employers must be prosecuted to end the flow of illegal immigrants

Millions make this dangerous journey across the southern border because of the attraction of work.

thehill.com

A small number have been hit but the majority just yawn.

 

[Dragonlady]

Link?



A small number have been hit but the majority just yawn.

I can't find a link the the numbers of employers charged, just deportations. 1000 may be low for Clinton. I think the actual number may be as high as 1200, but DOGE has been busy scrubbing government websites of a lot of historical data.

The majority just yawn because enforcement has been difficult and expensive. It's easy to prove they had illegals working for them, but to obtain a conviction you have to be able to prove they KNEW these people weren't documented and that they hired them BECAUSE of their status. That old "intent" thing.

Republicans don't do enforcement at all, so they just have to wait until there's a Republican in office and put up the Now Hiring signs.

 

[Crepitus]

I have known your fascist Cult has been bad for decades.

Aha! So the issue is that you don't know what fascism is!

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Crepitus]

It's not fascism.

But yes, it is.

Sorry but that's just the fact.

What tRump and his loyal oompa-loompas are doing is named fascism.

 

[Crepitus]

Many things that merit serious attention get lost when you're in the middle of a shit storm.

There is simply no way to keep up fully with what is happening. That appears to be the strategy.

It does. The next outrage happens and sends the previous one to the second page, over and over.

 

[Crepitus]

Noem makes sense. Why isn't the media questioning what the hell Padilla was on when he acted like a fool? Was he drunk?

A coup by the feds on a state government sounds like "sense" to you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"We are staying here to liberate [LA] from the socialists and the burdensome leadership this governor and mayor have placed on this country and this city."

YOu guys know that's the very definition of a coup, right?

Why is no one talking about this?

Is it when a drunk senator gets rowdy?