What Kind of State in Israel?

[Hossfly]

The big question (in my mind) is always how many human beings have been used as a means to an end whenever I read about the many "roaring successes" produced by capitalism. Maybe you should ask yourself if private wealth would've ever come into existence without the institution of slavery? Since private wealth can not be maintained in the absence of government, wouldn't it be ironic if humanity is forced to choose between private riches for a few or democracy for the many?

Sounds as though you think it would be a better life if we lived in Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, etc. Everybody equal in those places. Riiight.

 

[georgephillip]

That's another false dichotomies, Hossie; however, I wonder if your side prefers a Roman fate?

"Lawrence Lessig’s Republic Lost documents the corrosive effect of money on our political process. Lessig persuasively makes the case that we are witnessing the loss of our republican form of government, as politicians increasingly represent those who fund their campaigns, rather than our citizens.

"Anthony Everitt’s Rise of Rome is fascinating history and a great read. It tells the story of ancient Rome, from its founding (circa 750 BCE) to the fall of the Roman Republic (circa 45 BCE).

"When read together, striking parallels emerge — between our failings and the failings that destroyed the Roman Republic. As with Rome just before the Republic’s fall, America has seen..."

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[Hossfly]

That's another false dichotomies, Hossie; however, I wonder if your side prefers a Roman fate?

"Lawrence Lessig’s Republic Lost documents the corrosive effect of money on our political process. Lessig persuasively makes the case that we are witnessing the loss of our republican form of government, as politicians increasingly represent those who fund their campaigns, rather than our citizens.

"Anthony Everitt’s Rise of Rome is fascinating history and a great read. It tells the story of ancient Rome, from its founding (circa 750 BCE) to the fall of the Roman Republic (circa 45 BCE).

"When read together, striking parallels emerge — between our failings and the failings that destroyed the Roman Republic. As with Rome just before the Republic’s fall, America has seen..."

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If you believe all of this, Georgie Boy, nothing is really keeping you here. Surely you can find a country which is run more to your liking. How about Venezuela? A smart fellow like you should be able to pick up the language very quickly. When you see pictures in the papers of the happy faces taking the Oath of Citizenship, you know that these people are ecstatic about becoming a citizen of this country. Since you are not happy being a citizen here, one of their relatives would be glad to take your place. All I can say, if you had put the effort in your working life as you do to put down this country, you might have been more successful and would not be complaining so much.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

That's what I seem to be implying.

please forgive Hoss, for he knows not what he does...a transparent component of Zionism is the serene moral confusion and rhetorical contradiction it entails...Hoss hasn't yet figured this out....the man is not the brightest bulb on the marquee...just saying

My dog likes me.

You are on the right side of it and that is all that matters here, Hoss. Using an anti-semitic website to attack Israel is a common tactic of anti-semites and when they are called on it they resort to personal attacks. I believe it was Socrates that said, When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. We both know who lost this one. Well done, Hoss.

 

[georgephillip]

That's another false dichotomies, Hossie; however, I wonder if your side prefers a Roman fate?

"Lawrence Lessig’s Republic Lost documents the corrosive effect of money on our political process. Lessig persuasively makes the case that we are witnessing the loss of our republican form of government, as politicians increasingly represent those who fund their campaigns, rather than our citizens.

"Anthony Everitt’s Rise of Rome is fascinating history and a great read. It tells the story of ancient Rome, from its founding (circa 750 BCE) to the fall of the Roman Republic (circa 45 BCE).

"When read together, striking parallels emerge — between our failings and the failings that destroyed the Roman Republic. As with Rome just before the Republic’s fall, America has seen..."

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If you believe all of this, Georgie Boy, nothing is really keeping you here. Surely you can find a country which is run more to your liking. How about Venezuela? A smart fellow like you should be able to pick up the language very quickly. When you see pictures in the papers of the happy faces taking the Oath of Citizenship, you know that these people are ecstatic about becoming a citizen of this country. Since you are not happy being a citizen here, one of their relatives would be glad to take your place. All I can say, if you had put the effort in your working life as you do to put down this country, you might have been more successful and would not be complaining so much.

It is precisely because I wasn't "successful" that I'm not going anywhere until I spend ALL of that damn Social Security Trust Fund, so you can give that "love it or leave it" idiocy a rest, Hossie. Why do conservatives think the US Government is not in need of reform? Why do you think those wanting to impair the ability of rich parasites in the US to get richer from war and debt should leave the country instead of taxing war and debt into extinction?

"1 — Staggering Increase in the Cost of Elections, with Dubious Campaign Funding Sources: Our 2012 election reportedly cost $3 billion. All of it was raised from private sources – often creating the appearance, or the reality, that our leaders are beholden to special interest groups. During the late Roman Republic, elections became staggeringly expensive, with equally deplorable results. Caesar reportedly borrowed so heavily for one political campaign, he feared he would be ruined, if not elected."

Caesar is on his way, Hoss.
You and I may not be around when he arrives, but the war crimes we've inflicted on others are coming home to roost.

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[Hossfly]

That's another false dichotomies, Hossie; however, I wonder if your side prefers a Roman fate?

"Lawrence Lessig’s Republic Lost documents the corrosive effect of money on our political process. Lessig persuasively makes the case that we are witnessing the loss of our republican form of government, as politicians increasingly represent those who fund their campaigns, rather than our citizens.

"Anthony Everitt’s Rise of Rome is fascinating history and a great read. It tells the story of ancient Rome, from its founding (circa 750 BCE) to the fall of the Roman Republic (circa 45 BCE).

"When read together, striking parallels emerge — between our failings and the failings that destroyed the Roman Republic. As with Rome just before the Republic’s fall, America has seen..."

EconoMonitor : EconoMonitor » Is Our Republic Ending?

If you believe all of this, Georgie Boy, nothing is really keeping you here. Surely you can find a country which is run more to your liking. How about Venezuela? A smart fellow like you should be able to pick up the language very quickly. When you see pictures in the papers of the happy faces taking the Oath of Citizenship, you know that these people are ecstatic about becoming a citizen of this country. Since you are not happy being a citizen here, one of their relatives would be glad to take your place. All I can say, if you had put the effort in your working life as you do to put down this country, you might have been more successful and would not be complaining so much.

It is precisely because I wasn't "successful" that I'm not going anywhere until I spend ALL of that damn Social Security Trust Fund, so you can give that "love it or leave it" idiocy a rest, Hossie. Why do conservatives think the US Government is not in need of reform? Why do you think those wanting to impair the ability of rich parasites in the US to get richer from war and debt should leave the country instead of taxing war and debt into extinction?

"1 — Staggering Increase in the Cost of Elections, with Dubious Campaign Funding Sources: Our 2012 election reportedly cost $3 billion. All of it was raised from private sources – often creating the appearance, or the reality, that our leaders are beholden to special interest groups. During the late Roman Republic, elections became staggeringly expensive, with equally deplorable results. Caesar reportedly borrowed so heavily for one political campaign, he feared he would be ruined, if not elected."

Caesar is on his way, Hoss.
You and I may not be around when he arrives, but the war crimes we've inflicted on others are coming home to roost.

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I have to give you credit, George. You are a loyal and steadfast Obama Socialist and His Majesty is grateful for your service.

 

[georgephillip]

Obama socialist?????
That's your coldest shot yet, Hoss.

" — Politics as the Road to Personal Wealth: During the late Roman Republic period, one of the main roads to wealth was holding public office, and exploiting such positions to accumulate personal wealth. As Lessig notes: Congressman, Senators and their staffs leverage their government service to move to private sector positions – that pay three to ten times their government compensation. Given this financial arrangement, 'Their focus is therefore not so much on the people who sent them to Washington. Their focus is instead on those who will make them rich.'”

The rich are the problem here.
They have been for thousands of years.
Pick a side.

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[Hossfly]

Obama socialist?????
That's your coldest shot yet, Hoss.

" — Politics as the Road to Personal Wealth: During the late Roman Republic period, one of the main roads to wealth was holding public office, and exploiting such positions to accumulate personal wealth. As Lessig notes: Congressman, Senators and their staffs leverage their government service to move to private sector positions – that pay three to ten times their government compensation. Given this financial arrangement, 'Their focus is therefore not so much on the people who sent them to Washington. Their focus is instead on those who will make them rich.'”

The rich are the problem here.
They have been for thousands of years.
Pick a side.

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Even though I am but a homeless pauper, I am a Capitalist and side with those who take advantage of the system, as long as they do it legally.You can't become rich punching a time clock so you wasted your life.

 

[georgephillip]

I have wasted my life; however the truth value of that statement is independent of the amount of money I've earned.

Have you experienced homelessness, Hoss?

 

[Hossfly]

I have wasted my life; however the truth value of that statement is independent of the amount of money I've earned.

Have you experienced homelessness, Hoss?

No I haven't, George. And I am sorry you had to be homeless but by living in So Cal you didn't freeze to death.

 

[georgephillip]

That's very true, Hoss, especially near the coast where puddles of water seldom freeze over even on the "coldest" nights. I know you've endured far worse, and I can't help but admire you for that.

 

[ima]

Israel is like Berlin... while the Germans were winning the war.

 

[georgephillip]

"Some important Twentieth century Hebrew poems have also been written about the Bible hero. More recently, elite Israeli combat units have been named 'Samson', and the Israeli nuclear program was called the 'Samson Option'"

Samson in popular culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

yeah ? so? they made a movie out of Samson too----
if I remember correctly VICTOR MATURE played Samson.
Why are you so fascinated with that character?

 

[georgephillip]

Because limited nuclear eruptions on the opposite side of the planet will drive up food prices worldwide even before your heroes in Goldman Sachs start doing God's work in the commodities markets.

 

[irosie91]

Because limited nuclear eruptions on the opposite side of the planet will drive up food prices worldwide even before your heroes in Goldman Sachs start doing God's work in the commodities markets.

What makes you think "limited nuclear 'eruptions' ( sic) will "drive up"
food prices?----I do not believe that the effect on food prices in the US
would be predictable ----maybe the prices of CANNED CHOUMOUS
will rise-----but it is not a vital component of the average american diet

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

A squatter state!

Certainly true, with over 600,000 illegal settlers squatting on land in Occupied Palestine!

Sherri

 

[irosie91]

A squatter state!

Certainly true, with over 600,000 illegal settlers squatting on land in Occupied Palestine!

Sherri

Squatters are persons who LIVE ON LAND they never purchased.
Much of the land that sherri terms "arab land" is claimed as
"arab land" purely on the basis of "squatting" Far less of the
land upon which jews live over there is a matter of "squatting"

In fact the city of Hebron which islamo nazis call "arab
land" has never been purchased by arabs---but
has been purchased by jews three times and never sold.

In 1929 arabs gained "possession" by sherri's fave
method-----slitting the throats of jewish infants.

The situation regarding east Jerusalem is similar
The only claim that arabs have to the city is by
invasion. slit throats, and---squatting

Some societies recognize "SQUATTERS RIGHTS"-----in
fact such "rights" are far more prevalent in the
americas than in the Middle east. Ownership of
land by PURCHASE -----is a concept more than
4000 years. Abraham BOUGHT Hebron. Before
Isa respecters invaded the americas and comitted
genocide upon the natives here-----the natives---
like the Bedouins ---of the middle east has no "LAND
OWNERSHIP" The term ISHMAELITE is an ancient
one and appears in ancient writings ----describing
LANDLESS NOMADS ------is that not interesting,
sherri? especially in aramaic writings

 

[georgephillip]

Because limited nuclear eruptions on the opposite side of the planet will drive up food prices worldwide even before your heroes in Goldman Sachs start doing God's work in the commodities markets.

What makes you think "limited nuclear 'eruptions' ( sic) will "drive up"
food prices?----I do not believe that the effect on food prices in the US
would be predictable ----maybe the prices of CANNED CHOUMOUS
will rise-----but it is not a vital component of the average american diet

The reasons I've heard claim the amount of smoke that nuclear explosions produce would greatly reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, thereby reducing the production of food world wide. Naturally, all good Capitalists will seek to profit from that crisis.

 

[Hossfly]

Because limited nuclear eruptions on the opposite side of the planet will drive up food prices worldwide even before your heroes in Goldman Sachs start doing God's work in the commodities markets.

What makes you think "limited nuclear 'eruptions' ( sic) will "drive up"
food prices?----I do not believe that the effect on food prices in the US
would be predictable ----maybe the prices of CANNED CHOUMOUS
will rise-----but it is not a vital component of the average american diet

The reasons I've heard claim the amount of smoke that nuclear explosions produce would greatly reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, thereby reducing the production of food world wide. Naturally, all good Capitalists will seek to profit from that crisis.

Don't worry, Georgie, as the good people in Los Angeles (including the good Capitalists) will see that you don't go hungry. In fact, you probably could get a job working part time in the fields in Ventura County, and the farmers (who also like to make a profit so they must be Capitalists) will let you take home some of what you have helped produce. By the way, Georgie Boy, do some research to find out that the wealthy Muslims in oil-rich countries in the Middle East are buying up farmland. After all, you can't eat oil. Maybe if you tell them that you spent hours castigating Israel and the Jews on the Internet, they too will let you share without you even having to pull up a single carrot for them.