What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[Crepitus]

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR at not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

Funny how you do not argue against the premise.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Now tell us:
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

Maybe you should read that again, I put that premise in the hole and covered it up.

 

[hadit]

I carry automobile insurance even though in several decades of driving I've never had an accident. I carry homeowners insurance even though in several decades of home ownership my house has never burnt down.

A gun is like a sneeze guard at a salad bar. You hope they're never needed, but you're REALLY glad they're there if they are.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

The thing is the paranoia. They live in the suburbs and think it's downtown Beirut.

Or they know that if they ever need help the cops are too far away to respond in time that is if they respond at all.

That's a dumb excuse. What are the chances of getting into deadly trouble a gun can save you from in suburban America? Especially if you are untrained in it's use? I'd be willing to bet you are more likely to be struck by lighting or hit by a bus.

It only takes one time.

Better to be prepared than not.

There is little or no chance my house will burn down but that doesn't mean I let my insurance lapse.

...and The country is getting more and more socialist. That brings out desperate fucked up people

You have never lived or even visited a real socialist country, kid. I have. The US is not now, will never and never has been a socialist country. It's just a word to you to use to try and belittle others. I know something about the culture you keep tossing around. That culture exists like it does out of choice, not by purpose.

 

[Pilot1]

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR at not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

Funny how you do not argue against the premise.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Now tell us:
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

Maybe you should read that again, I put that premise in the hole and covered it up.

And you keep confirming that you're completely clueless.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Maybe you should read that again, I put that premise in the hole and covered it up.

Premise:
The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.
You:
If they try to disarm you, your AR15 won't stop them.

Premise confirmed. Thank you.

Now tell us:
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

do you do everything that your country and state say you have the right to do?

Sure, why not? People died for my Second Amendment right so out of respect, I will take full advantage of that right. Plus I've been a member of the "gun culture" all my life.

People still die for your supposed right to carry a gun. Possession of a firearm isn't an absolute right.

 

[Blues Man]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

do you do everything that your country and state say you have the right to do?

Sure, why not? People died for my Second Amendment right so out of respect, I will take full advantage of that right. Plus I've been a member of the "gun culture" all my life.

People still die for your supposed right to carry a gun. Possession of a firearm isn't an absolute right.

No one has ever died as a result of my ownership of guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

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People still die for your supposed right to carry a gun. Possession of a firearm isn't an absolute right.

Since you avoided the issue at hand...
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person needs a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

 

[BULLDOG]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

So you think people in the military wouldn't rebel against the government for any reason?

You've watched too many movies.

 

[Crepitus]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

So you think people in the military wouldn't rebel against the government for any reason?

I think the vast majority would stay the course and obey their officers. The military trains that to an almost pavlovian level.

 

[Pilot1]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

do you do everything that your country and state say you have the right to do?

Sure, why not? People died for my Second Amendment right so out of respect, I will take full advantage of that right. Plus I've been a member of the "gun culture" all my life.

People still die for your supposed right to carry a gun. Possession of a firearm isn't an absolute right.

The Supreme Court confirmed it is an individual right with reasonable restrictions. However, small arms in common use are protected. There are no more common use firearms as semi auto rifles and pistols.

 

[Blues Man]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

So you think people in the military wouldn't rebel against the government for any reason?

You've watched too many movies.

No not really

It's a serious question

Could the government overstep its authority to such a degree that the people will rebel and if that happens will the military support the people or the government?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And add guns to that brawl and what happens?
Yea...dead people...dead kids

How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

Guns may be a good thing. Up to a point. But when it reaches the saturation point like it did sometime after 1866 then the communities need to do some serious regulations and enforcement to bring it back to check. And yes, the cure is extreme. But so is the disease. When the saturation level is dealt with, you can lessen the regulations to a level to deal with things a bit better. "More Guns" is not the answer since we were headed for the Saturation Level for awhile.

 

[Blues Man]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.
The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

The state cannot have a monopoly on force, so long as the citizenry remains armed.

I'm so tired of hearing that line of bullshit. You and your AR are not a match for a single squad of semi-retired national gaurdsmen. If the big evil government decides to come for you you are done, and it doesn't matter haw many semiautomatic rifles you have.

So you think people in the military wouldn't rebel against the government for any reason?

I think the vast majority would stay the course and oney their officers. The military trains that to an almost pavlovian level.

So our military is no better or smarter than a dog

 

[hadit]

mandatory training other than perhaps a couple hour Conceal Carry Class is just a way for the anti gunners to barge in with rules , restrictions and more laws . From what i have Heard Vermont has or had it correct . Just buy a gun and put it in your pocket and a Vermonter is good to go .

I'm all for the training, especially when it comes to the laws and perhaps some real life stories in the past. After all, using a gun is only as good as the laws that protect you. I have no problem using a gun in my state, but I would never want to carry in a state like NY or CA. Those God forbidden places are for criminals and against the victims.

California is only against republicans. They are the criminals after all! The victims are the regular citizens the republicans screw out of money and home. Now as for guns they are cool but you must know there are people like me who want to take out cc people as they are the problem.

Negative
WETBACKS, degenerate lowlifes, criminals, white guilt pussies, men in dresses, pole puffers, rug munchers and Feminazi's are against Republicans....Yeah, so most of Mexifonia.

When are YOU leaving the state? We need less republican fags in it. Seems most are republicans.

Sounds homophobic to me. Does that make you a good democrat?

And why are you calling people cigarettes?

 

[Blues Man]

And add guns to that brawl and what happens?
Yea...dead people...dead kids

How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

Guns may be a good thing. Up to a point. But when it reaches the saturation point like it did sometime after 1866 then the communities need to do some serious regulations and enforcement to bring it back to check. And yes, the cure is extreme. But so is the disease. When the saturation level is dealt with, you can lessen the regulations to a level to deal with things a bit better. "More Guns" is not the answer since we were headed for the Saturation Level for awhile.

Arguing that law abiding people have the right to carry is not arguing for more guns

 

[LoneLaugher]

I carry automobile insurance even though in several decades of driving I've never had an accident. I carry homeowners insurance even though in several decades of home ownership my house has never burnt down.

A gun is like a sneeze guard at a salad bar. You hope they're never needed, but you're REALLY glad they're there if they are.

No. A sneeze guard won’t help a freak kill a dozen innocent people in seconds nor be used to accidentally blow a hole in the chest of a toddler who finds it in daddy's closet.

Idiot.

 

[Lesh]

You carry pepper spray, a knife, and a pistol.
Paranoia is a hell of a thing huh?

If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person is paranoid for carrying a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

Because I don't want to be around you..when you have a gun on you and you had a bad day...or too much to drink...or your wife kicked you out

 

[Crepitus]

I carry automobile insurance even though in several decades of driving I've never had an accident. I carry homeowners insurance even though in several decades of home ownership my house has never burnt down.

A gun is like a sneeze guard at a salad bar. You hope they're never needed, but you're REALLY glad they're there if they are.

So, when is the last time someone sneeze gaurded their spouses to death? Or a child found an unattended sneeze gaurd in the back seat and sneeze gaurded his mom in the back?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I carry automobile insurance even though in several decades of driving I've never had an accident. I carry homeowners insurance even though in several decades of home ownership my house has never burnt down.

A gun is like a sneeze guard at a salad bar. You hope they're never needed, but you're REALLY glad they're there if they are.

So, when is the last time someone sneeze gaurded their spouses to death? Or a child found an unattended sneeze gaurd in the back seat and sneeze gaurded his mom in the back?

Great minds.