Zone1 What Is Your Vision For America

[HikerGuy83]

In early 2024, I started a thread saying I thought MAGA was just a sales pitch or rallying cry. Nothing in that so-called "discussion" changed my mind.

I am thinking about resurrecting the thread to kane those who continue to say "It's obvious." No it isn't. Far from it. And right now, it's even less obvious.

But, this thread is about vision, a vision for America. It can be couched in different aspects.

As is supposed to happen, I get three rules:

1. No bashing anyone else. You can certainly disagree, but no starting with...."The demos are idiots".
2. If you don't agree that something is a good component of a vision, you may speak on the suggestion. Leave the poster alone.
3. If you have something specific, be specific. (i.e balanced budget.....means we take in more than we spend..simple test).

And here we go:

A component of my vision of America is that we reduce all federal legislation to only those things that are consistent with the Constitution. That means a great many things need to be transfered to the states.

A component of my vision is that the federal government can only spend 10% of GDP (currently in the 22 to 25% range). If states want something, it is up to them to secure it and raise taxes or shift money accordingly.

A component of my vision is that we repeal the 17th amendment and go back to having the senate be appointed by the state legislatures. The states are currently not represented in congress as was intended by the framers.

Lookin forward to your high I.Q. challenges or suggestions.

 

[sparky]

How does one deal with a bankrupt nation?

~S~

 

[BULLDOG]

Lets start with states appointing senators. When the constitution was written, we did not have capability to count citizen's votes that we do now. You would take the choice of congressmen out of citizens hands and give it to a likely jerrymandered committee.

 

[Rambunctious]

The United States is..... in itself... a marvel concept... states working as one as free people...
However there is a price for living in a free country with a constitution written by the people and for the people...
And that cost is crime and depravity and unspeakable horrors... also protests and upheaval like we see today...
How do we fix that?... or ease it?.... let it burn itself out... which is already happening...

 

[BULLDOG]

The United States is..... in itself... a marvel concept... states working as one as free people...
However there is a price for living in a free country with a constitution written by the people and for the people...
And that cost is crime and depravity and unspeakable horrors... also protests and upheaval like we see today...
How do we fix that?... or ease it?.... let it burn itself out... which is already happening...

Protest is the epitome of our government. Do you want to take that away?

 

[Rambunctious]

Protest is the epitome of our government. Do you want to take that away?

Non violent protests are fine... but what we see today is not non violent... we use to require a permit to ensure roads and pathways were protected... And for law enforcement to control it...
Not today I guess....
But eventually the dems will destroy their own party... so That's cool....

 

[sparky]

It's like the USofA is having some sort of mass identity crisis

jmho......

~S~

 

[Dekster]

I think the country needs to either overhaul the constitution or to start divorce proceedings.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Hmmmm.......

No thoughts on what a "Great American", you know....MAGA looks like.

Seems we can use the sales pitch, but we can't tell you what we are selling.

 

[Moonglow]

How does one deal with a bankrupt nation?

~S~

By giving Argentina twenty billion and bailing out their farmers.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Lets start with states appointing senators. When the constitution was written, we did not have capability to count citizen's votes that we do now. You would take the choice of congressmen out of citizens hands and give it to a likely jerrymandered committee.

Yes. Anyone who understand the constitution knows why it was set up that way. How is it that they could elect reps but not senators? So that is a fail.

Senators were there to protect the states.

Take it back to that and let it work.

When the Constitution was written, the total population of the U.S. was 6,500,000. Now, we have cities larger than that.

The need to put things in the hands of local (state, county, municiple) leadership is greater than ever.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes. Anyone who understand the constitution knows why it was set up that way. How is it that they could elect reps but not senators? So that is a fail.

Senators were there to protect the states.

Take it back to that and let it work.

When the Constitution was written, the total population of the U.S. was 6,500,000. Now, we have cities larger than that.

The need to put things in the hands of local (state, county, municiple) leadership is greater than ever.

And disregard all the existing laws that were proposed and passed by congress?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

My vision for America involves all people being judged on their individual qualities, all treated according to the same standards, and all afforded the same opportunities in life.

 

[Stryder50]

Protest is the epitome of our government. Do you want to take that away?

Specific wording of First Amendment;
"... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government ..."

This does not include or sanction riots, looting, vandalism, arson, illegal occupation of private or public property, or insurrection.
Most of that is what we've seen from the Left, especially their street thug organization antifa.

 

[Stryder50]

You are free to pack your shit and go.

That gate swings both ways ...

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Protest is the epitome of our government. Do you want to take that away?

I don't recall a poster suggesting our freedom to protest should be taken away.

I have read several posters who supported the elimination of free speech on social media when the previous administration was coercing such, however.

 

[Cassandro]

20/20

 

[sparky]

I don't recall a poster suggesting our freedom to protest should be taken away.

I have read several posters who supported the elimination of free speech on social media when the previous administration was coercing such, however.

Go here Dog>>>

Free speech zone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~S~

 

[whoisit]

Never mind.

 

[BULLDOG]

Specific wording of First Amendment;
"... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government ..."

This does not include or sanction riots, looting, vandalism, arson, illegal occupation of private or public property, or insurrection.
Most of that is what we've seen from the Left, especially their street thug organization antifa.

But those other things weren't listed. Protest was specifically mentioned as something to eliminate. Words mean things.