What is wrong with female genital mutilation

[Deleted member 53821]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and ask if FGM is anything different than other things we do in western society. We do one thing called circumcision for which there is no real medical purpose to other than a throwback to an ancient judea-christian custom that basically initiated men into jewish society. It is pretty foul if you think about it and I wonder if it is different than FGM. We use the word 'mutilation' to describe it but what if we just called it virginity surgery for girls. That wouldn't sound nearly as bad as 'mutilation' and considering that by changing a word makes it sound a little more acceptable to western society then would we object to it as much just because we changed the name?

Don't get me wrong because I think FGM is as bad as it sounds but I don't know if I would object to it as much if it was already an accepted practice like circumcision? In that case would we just think it is a normal procedure to do to girls or do we just like our women to be unrestrained sexually. Maybe we like our women all whore-eey and slutty-like so we don't surgically close their vaginas. Open vaginas are good...closed ones bad.

How come liberals don't bombard proponents of FGM with questions like 'if we are sealing a vagina shut for little girls why aren't we sewing a little boys penis to his scrotum so he can't do anything with it'? People who have supported traditional values in this country have been forced to re-examine double standards with regards to men and women sexuality so why isn't Islam have to subject to the same questioning?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Wow, you're really up in peoples business. So much for personal freedom and liberty.

Fascist bastard.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Wow, you're really up in peoples business. So much for personal freedom and liberty.

Fascist bastard.

Just asking some questions that should get answered. Is it different and if so how?

 

[ScienceRocks]

What people choose to do with their live is their business.

I am a social liberterian and believe in personal choice. Everything has upsides and downsides.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I don't like islam at all....

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I am pretty astounded by the number of liberals who support FGM. It's hard to just get thinking around it. There is nothing about personal freedom involved. Shit and shinola, if women wanted to cut off their clitoris and sew their vaginas closed, I'd be all for it. But it's not liberal women who want to do it to themselves. It's liberal women supporting this being done to other little girls.

We have muslim men taking little girls and cutting off their clitoris then sewing their vaginas closed leaving only an opening for urination and menstruation. Many women die of complications.

Object and liberals will call you a fascist. Go figure that one out.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Cutting off the clitoris is the equivalent of cutting off a man's penis, so, I recommend to the OP that he find a doctor who will cut off his penis and then the OP can come back here and give us an informed opinion of the difference between male circumcision and FGM.

 

[BlackFlag]

The OP is what you get when the poster grew up in a red state that illegalizes sex ed

 

[Tilly]

What people choose to do with their live is their business.

I am a social liberterian and believe in personal choice. Everything has upsides and downsides.

Dear God! Young girls don't CHOOSE to be mutilated. They are usually terrified and for good reason. Their lives are often ruined, not to mention the psychological damage.

 

[Billy000]

I'm so confused by this thread. What the ****?

 

[longknife]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and ask if FGM is anything different than other things we do in western society. We do one thing called circumcision for which there is no real medical purpose to other than a throwback to an ancient judea-christian custom that basically initiated men into jewish society. It is pretty foul if you think about it and I wonder if it is different than FGM. We use the word 'mutilation' to describe it but what if we just called it virginity surgery for girls. That wouldn't sound nearly as bad as 'mutilation' and considering that by changing a word makes it sound a little more acceptable to western society then would we object to it as much just because we changed the name?

Don't get me wrong because I think FGM is as bad as it sounds but I don't know if I would object to it as much if it was already an accepted practice like circumcision? In that case would we just think it is a normal procedure to do to girls or do we just like our women to be unrestrained sexually. Maybe we like our women all whore-eey and slutty-like so we don't surgically close their vaginas. Open vaginas are good...closed ones bad.

How come liberals don't bombard proponents of FGM with questions like 'if we are sealing a vagina shut for little girls why aren't we sewing a little boys penis to his scrotum so he can't do anything with it'? People who have supported traditional values in this country have been forced to re-examine double standards with regards to men and women sexuality so why isn't Islam have to subject to the same questioning?

I think the word mutilation says it all!

 

[anotherlife]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

 

[WinterBorn]

FGM exists for only one reason. To stop females from enjoying sex. It is not about hygiene. It is not about anything but some asshole man not wanting his woman to stray. If she receives little or no pleasure from sex, why would she?

it is barbaric.

 

[WinterBorn]

What people choose to do with their live is their business.

I am a social liberterian and believe in personal choice. Everything has upsides and downsides.

No, just NO! This is not about personal choices. Because the females do not choose this. It is forced on them. It is a dangerous, extremely painful surgery performed for the sole, and expressed purpose of removing the female's ability to enjoy sex. That is it.

 

[WinterBorn]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

The females don't care??? WTF? Where did you get that piece of bullshit?

And you are trying to say that the goal of women who have sex is reproduction?? YOu need to get out more. Look at the sales of female birth control, sex toys, and the proliferation of lesbian and bisexual women. You think those point to reproduction being the goal?

And the women who are the victims of FGM do not do so voluntarily. It is FORCED on them. The idea that they don't care is beyond ridiculous.

I thought the idea that women don't (or shouldn't) enjoy sex died out decades ago. The idea that you still believe it is laughable. Women have healthy sex drives and enjoy sex for the pleasure it gives them. It is not just about having children, and their sexual desires are not subjugated to motherly instinct.

 

[anotherlife]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

The females don't care??? WTF? Where did you get that piece of bullshit?

And you are trying to say that the goal of women who have sex is reproduction?? YOu need to get out more. Look at the sales of female birth control, sex toys, and the proliferation of lesbian and bisexual women. You think those point to reproduction being the goal?

And the women who are the victims of FGM do not do so voluntarily. It is FORCED on them. The idea that they don't care is beyond ridiculous.

I thought the idea that women don't (or shouldn't) enjoy sex died out decades ago. The idea that you still believe it is laughable. Women have healthy sex drives and enjoy sex for the pleasure it gives them. It is not just about having children, and their sexual desires are not subjugated to motherly instinct.

The selective nature of female sexuality seems to prove the opposite of your point.

Women are known to choose to go for years without sex only to find the "right" man, then they all jump for the same guy.

 

[WinterBorn]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

The females don't care??? WTF? Where did you get that piece of bullshit?

And you are trying to say that the goal of women who have sex is reproduction?? YOu need to get out more. Look at the sales of female birth control, sex toys, and the proliferation of lesbian and bisexual women. You think those point to reproduction being the goal?

And the women who are the victims of FGM do not do so voluntarily. It is FORCED on them. The idea that they don't care is beyond ridiculous.

I thought the idea that women don't (or shouldn't) enjoy sex died out decades ago. The idea that you still believe it is laughable. Women have healthy sex drives and enjoy sex for the pleasure it gives them. It is not just about having children, and their sexual desires are not subjugated to motherly instinct.

The selective nature of female sexuality seems to prove the opposite of your point.

Women are known to choose to go for years without sex only to find the "right" man, then they all jump for the same guy.

That happens far less now than it once did. Which suggests it is more about societal pressure than about biology.

And the only way your idea, that the women dont care, could work at all is to say that women do not enjoy orgasms. Not sure how you could believe that is accurate.

 

[anotherlife]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

Would you care if you got two thirds of your penis cut off? Or is it about that size anyway.

You are describing the male projection. Of course FGM is evil, but if I was wrong, then there would not be so many women who argue for it, instead of against it.

 

[anotherlife]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

The females don't care??? WTF? Where did you get that piece of bullshit?

And you are trying to say that the goal of women who have sex is reproduction?? YOu need to get out more. Look at the sales of female birth control, sex toys, and the proliferation of lesbian and bisexual women. You think those point to reproduction being the goal?

And the women who are the victims of FGM do not do so voluntarily. It is FORCED on them. The idea that they don't care is beyond ridiculous.

I thought the idea that women don't (or shouldn't) enjoy sex died out decades ago. The idea that you still believe it is laughable. Women have healthy sex drives and enjoy sex for the pleasure it gives them. It is not just about having children, and their sexual desires are not subjugated to motherly instinct.

The selective nature of female sexuality seems to prove the opposite of your point.

Women are known to choose to go for years without sex only to find the "right" man, then they all jump for the same guy.

That happens far less now than it once did. Which suggests it is more about societal pressure than about biology.

And the only way your idea, that the women dont care, could work at all is to say that women do not enjoy orgasms. Not sure how you could believe that is accurate.

As per national statistics, like 50 % of women never get orgasm anyways. The female mind and biology really works differently, especially about sex.

 

[WinterBorn]

The most interesting part of this thread is that no female poster participates. Bhehehe.

By the way, sex is not a goal for females,bit is only an intermediary step. This is because sexual instinct is subjugated to motherly instinct in females.

So females don't care if they get FGM or not. The whole hype is just male projection.

The females don't care??? WTF? Where did you get that piece of bullshit?

And you are trying to say that the goal of women who have sex is reproduction?? YOu need to get out more. Look at the sales of female birth control, sex toys, and the proliferation of lesbian and bisexual women. You think those point to reproduction being the goal?

And the women who are the victims of FGM do not do so voluntarily. It is FORCED on them. The idea that they don't care is beyond ridiculous.

I thought the idea that women don't (or shouldn't) enjoy sex died out decades ago. The idea that you still believe it is laughable. Women have healthy sex drives and enjoy sex for the pleasure it gives them. It is not just about having children, and their sexual desires are not subjugated to motherly instinct.

The selective nature of female sexuality seems to prove the opposite of your point.

Women are known to choose to go for years without sex only to find the "right" man, then they all jump for the same guy.

That happens far less now than it once did. Which suggests it is more about societal pressure than about biology.

And the only way your idea, that the women dont care, could work at all is to say that women do not enjoy orgasms. Not sure how you could believe that is accurate.

As per national statistics, like 50 % of women never get orgasm anyways. The female mind and biology really works differently, especially about sex.

Try this link: Why So Many Women Don’t Have Orgasms

It shows a very good reason why women fail to acheive orgasm. And that is that many men think sex is all about intercourse. When only intercourse is involved, 96% of men reported orgasm. While the same act provided women with an orgasm only 50% of the time. When the sex involved intercourse, manual stimulation of the genitals, and oral stimulation of the genitals, 98% of men reported orgasms, while 86% of women reported orgasms. So the 50% number is more a function of inept lovers and societal pressures. If you look at studies prior to the 1950s, the rate of orgasms in women is very low. In recent studies the rates are much higher. Did their bodies change? Or did they stop believing the nonsense that sex was only for procreation? And if sex is only for procreation, explain the existence of the clitoris at all.