What is unity?

[Mac1958]

Unity USED to mean something akin to "everyone sharing a vision/goal and working together to achieve it."

Now it's much closer to meaning "weakness and capitulation, something to avoid at all costs".

I suspect the history books will look at this disaster as a self-inflicted wound of ego and hubris.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I can appreciate your sentiment and I agree that those who promote disunity and division among us should be voted out of power.

But what could they do to convince us they actually do want unity?

Renounce Marxism.
Renounce SATAN.
Renounce sexualizing children.
They could start there.

 

[Foxfyre]

Unity USED to mean something akin to "everyone sharing a vision/goal and working together to achieve it."

Now it's much closer to meaning "weakness and capitulation, something to avoid at all costs".

I suspect the history books will look at this disaster as a self-inflicted wound of ego and hubris.

So, what does unity mean to you personally?

 

[WelfareQueen]

So I see President Trump condemned by some on the left for not calling for unity in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.

But what if unity means everybody must be a member of the KKK or the Nazi Party or the Communist Party or Muslim or Buddhist or Catholic or Methodist or Libertarian or Democrat or Republican? What if unity means you join with me/my group and support what we want and, if you disagree, you are divisive and must be cancelled?

What if unity means that the Republicans work with the minority Democrats but the minority Democrats have no duty to work with the majority Republicans? Or vice versa?

What if unity is everybody marching in lockstep, group think, total agreement on everything and any outlier must be destroyed?

So what does being unified mean to you? What does it mean to you to 'come together'?

Definition of UNITY

the quality or state of not being multiple : oneness; a definite amount taken as one or for which 1 is made to stand in calculation; identity element… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I don't think unity is possible. I would go for a reasonably civil, non-violent disagreement at this point.

 

[Foxfyre]

Renounce Marxism.
Renounce SATAN.
Renounce sexualizing children.
They could start there.

That would help, yes. But would it get us any closer to the MAGA vision of a strong, free, secure prosperous America for all?

 

[WelfareQueen]

So, what does unity mean to you personally?

I doubt he will answer. He is too afraid to commit himself. I said above I do not think unity is possible. But what it means to me is doing what is best for the American People. Both Parties used to at least attempt this. But those times are long gone imho.

 

[SeaMajor7]

That would help, yes. But would it get us any closer to the MAGA vision of a strong, free, secure prosperous America for all?

That's unanswerable at this time.

 

[saveliberty]

So how is that accomplished? Is your goal unity/coming together? Or something else?

How do we get there?

Keep talking to them. As you can see from this thread, it will be an uphill battle.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't think unity is possible. I would go for a reasonably civil, non-violent disagreement at this point.

I hear that. But I also wonder. I think of the legacy of Charlie Kirk who didn't see anybody as hopeless but simply spoke his calm truth to all willing to engage him in one on one conversation or to listen to his presentations. And if he was unable to elicit agreement with those who opposed his point of view, you could see that his calm but reasoned discourse did cause them to at least think. To realize their ideology had no answer.

It is rare that anyone on the left is capable of reasoned discourse, but I wonder if Patriots/MAGAs would follow that example, if we might at least generate some actual thought?

I mean except for one or two exceptions in this thread, those on the left are absolutely clueless in being able to describe what unity means for them, even as they trash President Trump for not calling for it. That or they are embarrassed to actually admit what they consider unity to be.

But then again, many on the right really haven't articulated what unity means to them.

 

[WelfareQueen]

I hear that. But I also wonder. I think of the legacy of Charlie Kirk who didn't see anybody as hopeless but simply spoke his calm truth to all willing to engage him in one on one conversation or to listen to his presentations. And if he was unable to elicit agreement with those who opposed his point of view, you could see that his calm but reasoned discourse did cause them to at least think. To realize their ideology had no answer.

It is rare that anyone on the left is capable of reasoned discourse, but I wonder if Patriots/MAGAs would follow that example, if we might at least generate some actual thought?

I mean except for one or two exceptions in this thread, those on the left are absolutely clueless in being able to describe what unity means for them, even as they trash President Trump for not calling for it. That or they are embarrassed to actually admit what they consider unity to be.

But then again, many on the right really haven't articulated what unity means to them.

Charlie was a brilliant debater and very well educated on the issues. He was definitely an exception. Few have his communication skills or charisma. That is an obstacle. Also, polls indicate over a third of leftists believe violence or murder is acceptable to stop speech you do not like. Those sick attitudes preclude any hope of unity.

Key Point:

After George Floyd, Dims and the Far Left rioted, did a billion dollars of damage, and roughly 30 people were killed with hundreds injured.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, the Right held non-violent vigils.

Ponder that.

 

[Foxfyre]

Keep talking to them. As you can see from this thread, it will be an uphill battle.

Probably all of us have experienced that terrible moment in a spirited discussion when we realize we are wrong. And how difficult it is to admit that if we even do. As often as not we try to change the subject or find some way to continue to support our point of view.

I can image a leftist, full of hate and contempt for President Trump, members of his team, and we who support them, to admit they have had their proverbial 'come to Jesus moment' and realize they do share the Patriot/MAGA vision and that President Trump, for all his faults, is actually moving us in that direction.

Perhaps even more difficult than admitting we are wrong about something, being able to let go of feelings of hate, resentment, contempt is even harder.

If we can find a way to do that, then unity doesn't seem like such an impossible goal.

 

[Foxfyre]

Charlie was a brilliant debater and very well educated on the issues. He was definitely an exception. Few have his communication skills or charisma. That is an obstacle. Also, polls indicate over a third of leftists believe violence or murder is acceptable to stop speech you do not like. Those sick attitudes preclude any hope of unity.

Key Point:

After George Floyd, Dims and the Far Left rioted, did a billion dollars of damage, and roughly 30 people were killed with hundreds injured.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, the Right held non-violent vigils.

Ponder that.

Nevertheless, the best tribute we could pay to Charlie Kirk is to not write off the other side as hopeless but understand redemption is possible for anybody. That doesn't mean we should ever excuse or condone or accept evil or fail to push back against it. Charlie certainly didn't which is why he was murdered.

But he held out hope for every young head full of mush he engaged that truth would win out, that the light would come on.

I would like to emulate that philosophy myself and hope others with ability to communicate would do the same.

My grieving heart was warmed at the 100,000+ Brits filling the streets with their tribute to Charlie this week. His message resonated with so many around the world. I have loved the prayer vigils and other memorials demonstrated in this country instead of rage, violence, riots, mayhem.

Yesterday at AT&T stadium at the Cowboys/Giants game, 80,000 fans respectfully observed a long moment of silence in honor of Charlie. I understand all or most of the other NFL games yesterday did the same.

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Each one of these things I think brings us a bit closer to the unity we once enjoyed as Americans.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

But why? What makes it impossible?

When one side says leave me alone and the other side says I must kill you. Unity is impossible because there is no point of compromise. This is true of democrats and muslims.

 

[Foxfyre]

When one side says leave me alone and the other side says I must kill you. Unity is impossible because there is no point of compromise. This is true of democrats and muslims.

Can't argue with intractable positions that are the opposite of unity as being a huge obstacle to achieving unity.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Can't argue with intractable positions that are the opposite of unity as being a huge obstacle to achieving unity.

Nope. Can't argue with that. But, that's where we are.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Nevertheless, the best tribute we could pay to Charlie Kirk is to not write off the other side as hopeless but understand redemption is possible for anybody. That doesn't mean we should ever excuse or condone or accept evil or fail to push back against it. Charlie certainly didn't which is why he was murdered.

But he held out hope for every young head full of mush he engaged that truth would win out, that the light would come on.

I would like to emulate that philosophy myself and hope others with ability to communicate would do the same.

My grieving heart was warmed at the 100,000+ Brits filling the streets with their tribute to Charlie this week. His message resonated with so many around the world. I have loved the prayer vigils and other memorials demonstrated in this country instead of rage, violence, riots, mayhem.

Yesterday at AT&T stadium at the Cowboys/Giants game, 80,000 fans respectfully observed a long moment of silence in honor of Charlie. I understand all or most of the other NFL games yesterday did the same.

youtube Tribute to Charlie Kirk at AT&T stadium 9-14-2025 - Search Videos

Watch videos instantly on Bing—enjoy direct playback, discover related clips, and dive into trending content all in one place.

www.bing.com

Each one of these things I think brings us a bit closer to the unity we once enjoyed as Americans.

You, no doubt, are a more forgiving and kinder person than me. I could meet the Left halfway if they expressed any remorse or willingness to accept responsibility for their actions. So far, I have not seen it. In fact, for the most part I have seen the opposite.

I am a Christian, and a person of faith. So is Sherry. We are both really struggling with this. I am not finding forgiveness in my heart right now. I have to be honest with myself.

 

[Foxfyre]

You, no doubt, are a more forgiving and kinder person than me. I could meet the Left halfway if they expressed any remorse or willingness to accept responsibility for their actions. So far, I have not seen it. In fact, for the most part I have seen the opposite.

I am a Christian, and a person of faith. So is Sherry. We are both really struggling with this. I am not finding forgiveness in my heart right now. I have to be honest with myself.

And yet you and Sherry would have observed that moment of silence for Charlie at an NFL game yesterday and it would have been heartfelt and not at all grudgingly.

Give yourself credit for resenting, even loathing the evil that we are at war with these days. I believe as Christians we should do that.

We are not to forgive those who are doing evil. Even Jesus didn't do that. But those willing to repent, i.e. change from doing evil to doing good, must be forgiven. As Christians I think we would do that. Even all of us who are struggling with our feelings about all this.

One thing I find fascinating in this discussion is that so few, whether left or right, are able to define/describe what unity looks like to them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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