What is the most destructive Conservative policy in the US today?

[imawhosure]

I urge EVERY American to remember that---------->if you have children or grandchildren under 18, or if YOU have been alive during this Democratic transition to Socialism, this is on US! We allowed this to happen, or...………..it is our job, to prevent the American take over by Socialists. It can be NO OTHER way!

We allowed it. We have to stop it!

Democrats.....REAL Democrats, have to reclaim their party; and until they do, it is OUR CIVIC DUTY to insure, that in their present iteration, the Far Left does not gain control of our government.

Some of us may not like our choice, but it is the only thing standing between us, and unbridled SOCIALISM!

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".

Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.

An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!

 

[forkup]

I urge EVERY American to remember that---------->if you have children or grandchildren under 18, or if YOU have been alive during this Democratic transition to Socialism, this is on US! We allowed this to happen, or...………..it is our job, to prevent the American take over by Socialists. It can be NO OTHER way!

We allowed it. We have to stop it!

Democrats.....REAL Democrats, have to reclaim their party; and until they do, it is OUR CIVIC DUTY to insure, that in their present iteration, the Far Left does not gain control of our government.

Some of us may not like our choice, but it is the only thing standing between us, and unbridled SOCIALISM!

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".

Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.

An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!

Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?

 

[imawhosure]

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Nope. Just don't want government deciding how "equal" I am.

LOGIC----------->want equal?

I know how to start making us all equal, lol.

From now on, NBA teams have to have 3 white guys, 1 black guy, and 1 Hispanic on the court.

The reserves?

4 women, 1 handicapped person, and a quadriplegic in a wheelchair!

See Dblack, that is the type of stuff they want to LEGISLATE! Anything else is unfair, or RACIST!

It is all phony, it really is. For them, it is not being the best you can; but rather about---------->if being the best you can means you are better than most everyone else, somehow, that is not fair, and you cheated!

Soooooooooooo, LE BRA James, you CHEATED! Now give the rest of America all your money, and oh by the way Le BRA, I will send you my address, and I expect a huuuuuuuuuge check in the mail-) And how DARE you take the spot of someone in a wheelchair for so many minutes on the NBA floor, you anti handicap type person, you!

What a RIDICULOUS argument, but somehow, the Left has people buying into it!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOGIC----------->want equal?

No, he said MORE equal. Come on kids, put your fingers on the screen and follow the words while you read, if necessary.

 

[iceberg]

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Nope. Just don't want government deciding how "equal" I am.

LOGIC----------->want equal?

I know how to start making us all equal, lol.

From now on, NBA teams have to have 3 white guys, 1 black guy, and 1 Hispanic on the court.

The reserves?

4 women, 1 handicapped person, and a quadriplegic in a wheelchair!

See Dblack, that is the type of stuff they want to LEGISLATE! Anything else is unfair, or RACIST!

It is all phony, it really is. For them, it is not being the best you can; but rather about---------->if being the best you can means you are better than most everyone else, somehow, that is not fair, and you cheated!

Soooooooooooo, LE BRA James, you CHEATED! Now give the rest of America all your money, and oh by the way Le BRA, I will send you my address, and I expect a huuuuuuuuuge check in the mail-) And how DARE you take the spot of someone in a wheelchair for so many minutes on the NBA floor, you anti handicap type person, you!

What a RIDICULOUS argument, but somehow, the Left has people buying into it!

what do you have against the LGBTQUSALDINSOAIDSL group????

 

[imawhosure]

I urge EVERY American to remember that---------->if you have children or grandchildren under 18, or if YOU have been alive during this Democratic transition to Socialism, this is on US! We allowed this to happen, or...………..it is our job, to prevent the American take over by Socialists. It can be NO OTHER way!

We allowed it. We have to stop it!

Democrats.....REAL Democrats, have to reclaim their party; and until they do, it is OUR CIVIC DUTY to insure, that in their present iteration, the Far Left does not gain control of our government.

Some of us may not like our choice, but it is the only thing standing between us, and unbridled SOCIALISM!

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".

Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.

An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!

Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?

In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare. Did you know that? They can walk right in to any healthcare center, and they are INSTANTLY taken care of! From what I understand, that is a whole lot faster than you are-)

What YOU are talking about, is HEALTH INSURANCE. Health insurance, is NOT healthcare!

Now my European friend, let me ask you a question-----------> You are sick, really sick! You have your charming and delightful National Healthcare insurance. You go to a facility, and they tell you they will run tests, in 4 months.

I go to MY healthcare facility, and they run the tests the next day, or within 5 days.

YOU DIE because the tests are to late to diagnose your problem. They pay.

I live, but they send me a bill!

Who is better off?

And if you say YOU are, you must be French, because they always surrender-)

 

[task0778]

As of the time I am writing this, it appears we have a choice in 2020, between Socialism, and Trump. I wish people like you had control over your party, at least we wouldn't be in such a do-or-die position.

That's been my plea lately. I'd love a reason to vote Democrat for President next time around. I think Trump is a genuine, existential threat to our nation. But I'm not going to vote for more socialism. I'm not asking them to go all libertarian and start repealing laws, just back off adding every more nanny state shit and stop trying to control every damned thing with government.

Curious about why you think Trump is a genuine, existential threat to our nation. So I'm asking you for a new thread on this, not to derail this one. Spell out your reasons, and I'll see if I can respond.

No need for a thread. I think he's amoral and insane. He's utterly unpredictable and I don't trust him anywhere near "the button" (or any other position of authority). My experience has been that, if someone doesn't see that in him already, no amount of discussion will be productive.

Amoral maybe, but I don't see a lot of morality inside the beltway from either party. IOW, he ain't the only one. As for insane, being insane enough to be a genuine, existential threat is unsubstantiated. What has he done to warrant that opinion? Lots of people say weird, crazy shit in politics on both sides, but what has he done that was that bad?

Seems to me that the reverse is also true, if someone sees Trump in the same light you do, then no amount of discussion will be productive either. And isn't that kind of sad really, if no amount of discussion will be productive then that leaves us with what other option?

 

[imawhosure]

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Nope. Just don't want government deciding how "equal" I am.

LOGIC----------->want equal?

I know how to start making us all equal, lol.

From now on, NBA teams have to have 3 white guys, 1 black guy, and 1 Hispanic on the court.

The reserves?

4 women, 1 handicapped person, and a quadriplegic in a wheelchair!

See Dblack, that is the type of stuff they want to LEGISLATE! Anything else is unfair, or RACIST!

It is all phony, it really is. For them, it is not being the best you can; but rather about---------->if being the best you can means you are better than most everyone else, somehow, that is not fair, and you cheated!

Soooooooooooo, LE BRA James, you CHEATED! Now give the rest of America all your money, and oh by the way Le BRA, I will send you my address, and I expect a huuuuuuuuuge check in the mail-) And how DARE you take the spot of someone in a wheelchair for so many minutes on the NBA floor, you anti handicap type person, you!

What a RIDICULOUS argument, but somehow, the Left has people buying into it!

what do you have against the LGBTQUSALDINSOAIDSL group????

What? What are you talking about? Did I forget to add someone to the list who should be on the NBA floor?

Enlighten everyone-)

 

[imawhosure]

LOGIC----------->want equal?

No, he said MORE equal. Come on kids, put your fingers on the screen and follow the words while you read, if necessary.

And how equal, is MORE equal? And who determines, MORE equal? You?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare.

Such a stupid argument.....mind numbingly simplistic and childish....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And how equal, is MORE equal?

Not sure, nor do i need to define that precisely to supoort an idea i think gives people more equal opportunities.

Who determines? We do. We live in a Democratic republic.

 

[candycorn]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Our culture is fine.

 

[task0778]

As of the time I am writing this, it appears we have a choice in 2020, between Socialism, and Trump. I wish people like you had control over your party, at least we wouldn't be in such a do-or-die position.

That's been my plea lately. I'd love a reason to vote Democrat for President next time around. I think Trump is a genuine, existential threat to our nation. But I'm not going to vote for more socialism. I'm not asking them to go all libertarian and start repealing laws, just back off adding every more nanny state shit and stop trying to control every damned thing with government.

Curious about why you think Trump is a genuine, existential threat to our nation. So I'm asking you for a new thread on this, not to derail this one. Spell out your reasons, and I'll see if I can respond.

I'll do it if you want.

Lay it on me. We should do it in another thread though.

 

[Rustic]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Deficit spending in a booming economy.

Expanding the federal government in an booming economy.... Never a good thing

 

[Pete7469]

Preventing bed wetting liberal parasites from aborting their genetic accidents.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.

My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."

For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.

The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.

Any thoughts?
.

Deficit spending in a booming economy.

Expanding the federal government in an booming economy.... Never a good thing

Expanding the federal government in any economy is not a good thing

 

[forkup]

I urge EVERY American to remember that---------->if you have children or grandchildren under 18, or if YOU have been alive during this Democratic transition to Socialism, this is on US! We allowed this to happen, or...………..it is our job, to prevent the American take over by Socialists. It can be NO OTHER way!

We allowed it. We have to stop it!

Democrats.....REAL Democrats, have to reclaim their party; and until they do, it is OUR CIVIC DUTY to insure, that in their present iteration, the Far Left does not gain control of our government.

Some of us may not like our choice, but it is the only thing standing between us, and unbridled SOCIALISM!

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".

Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.

An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!

Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?

In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare. Did you know that? They can walk right in to any healthcare center, and they are INSTANTLY taken care of! From what I understand, that is a whole lot faster than you are-)

What YOU are talking about, is HEALTH INSURANCE. Health insurance, is NOT healthcare!

Now my European friend, let me ask you a question-----------> You are sick, really sick! You have your charming and delightful National Healthcare insurance. You go to a facility, and they tell you they will run tests, in 4 months.

I go to MY healthcare facility, and they run the tests the next day, or within 5 days.

YOU DIE because the tests are to late to diagnose your problem. They pay.

I live, but they send me a bill!

Who is better off?

And if you say YOU are, you must be French, because they always surrender-)

I did know one can get primary care in any hospital. My wife is American by the way. No it's not faster then in my country ( although I can't vouch for other European countries). It's actually after that that the US lacks. What you guy do is making it economical unfeasible for certain segments of the populace to receive decent care. I know this because exactly that happened to my brother in law.
As to your question. Again I can't speak for all of Europe honestly, because I don't know how it is in every country in Europe. What I do know that here,( Belgium) . You get seen by a doctor quickly. One even comes to your house if you are not mobile. If you get really sick or hurt care is immediate. As an example I've been having headaches lately a lot. My GP send me to get a CT scan in my local hospital. At no point was there cause for alarm yet I got my scan in 2 weeks. My wife on the other hand, (this was before we got married, so no insurance), broke her ankle here pretty badly. She got seen, operated on in one hectic afternoon. Nobody asked her how she would pay for it and they even made a follow up. This of course is all anecdotal. What isn't that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by far. Yet for most health indicators the US score below most of Europe

 

[imawhosure]

And how equal, is MORE equal?

Not sure, nor do i need to define that precisely to supoort an idea i think gives people more equal opportunities.

Who determines? We do. We live in a Democratic republic.

Well, here is a QUESTION for ya Fort Funzy Onsie--------> I am over 60 years old. (just a little bit over) I worked for Ford Motor as a blue collar for over 30 years, and retired. I still work part time as a part time pollster in Florida in the winter, and during the summer, work for an automated concrete plant that treats me pretty well.

In essence, I have worked for over 40 years, with my hands, and recently with my mind and hands. Through all this hard work, through recessions, through downturns, standing in my youth on an assembly line sweating my ass off to raise my kids, I am not rich by any standards, but am worth in access (barely) of 1 million dollars.

How much do I have to TRANSFER to you to make it equal? How many years have you worked and sweated? Are you still willing to work after you reach 60? If not, why not?

How much of my sweat do I have to give the government to transfer to YOU, to make YOU happy? 10 years worth? 15 years worth? How much? Tell all of us what would make it, MORE EQUAL! Are you telling ME, that 10 years of SWEATING on that assembly line, working 8 to 10 hours a day, EVERY DAMN DAY, was actually for YOU!

And wait, here is something else-------------> I SAVED to put my 2 kids through college. (in fairness, 1 did not go) I could NOT even put myself through college! Now you want ME to PUT YOU THROUGH COLLEGE, lol! Or maybe, your kids?

I took a BIG decrease in pay to get MY healthcare, and for my family. In many contracts, it was either a raise, or keep and or increase our healthcare benefits. To KEEP my and my wifes HEALTHCARE in retirement, I had to take a CUT in retirement pay. That is the way of the world!

Now YOU want me to pay more taxes, so YOU can get healthcare insurance for free? AND, you want me to take a LESSER healthcare plan, so you can get it?

EARN YOUR OWN WAY, you lazy Leftist! We handed you a country that lays the golden egg, and all you people do is whine! You would think we left you Cuba, or Venezuela, or something like that. NOPE! We Left you the United States of America, and through your absurd genius, you want to turn it into Cuba or Venezuela, and demand we HELP you do it.

I don't want to meet you, I want to meet your parents! I want to know how they raised a person, so damn DUMB!

 

[forkup]

And how equal, is MORE equal?

Not sure, nor do i need to define that precisely to supoort an idea i think gives people more equal opportunities.

Who determines? We do. We live in a Democratic republic.

Well, here is a QUESTION for ya Fort Funzy Onsie--------> I am over 60 years old. (just a little bit over) I worked for Ford Motor as a blue collar for over 30 years, and retired. I still work part time as a part time pollster in Florida in the winter, and during the summer, work for an automated concrete plant that treats me pretty well.

In essence, I have worked for over 40 years, with my hands, and recently with my mind and hands. Through all this hard work, through recessions, through downturns, standing in my youth on an assembly line sweating my ass off to raise my kids, I am not rich by any standards, but am worth in access (barely) of 1 million dollars.

How much do I have to TRANSFER to you to make it equal? How many years have you worked and sweated? Are you still willing to work after you reach 60? If not, why not?

How much of my sweat do I have to give the government to transfer to YOU, to make YOU happy? 10 years worth? 15 years worth? How much? Tell all of us what would make it, MORE EQUAL! Are you telling ME, that 10 years of SWEATING on that assembly line, working 8 to 10 hours a day, EVERY DAMN DAY, was actually for YOU!

And wait, here is something else-------------> I SAVED to put my 2 kids through college. (in fairness, 1 did not go) I could NOT even put myself through college! Now you want ME to PUT YOU THROUGH COLLEGE, lol! Or maybe, your kids?

I took a BIG decrease in pay to get MY healthcare, and for my family. In many contracts, it was either a raise, or keep and or increase our healthcare benefits. To KEEP my and my wifes HEALTHCARE in retirement, I had to take a CUT in retirement pay. That is the way of the world!

Now YOU want me to pay more taxes, so YOU can get healthcare insurance for free? AND, you want me to take a LESSER healthcare plan, so you can get it?

EARN YOUR OWN WAY, you lazy Leftist! We handed you a country that lays the golden egg, and all you people do is whine! You would think we left you Cuba, or Venezuela, or something like that. NOPE! We Left you the United States of America, and through your absurd genius, you want to turn it into Cuba or Venezuela, and demand we HELP you do it.

I don't want to meet you, I want to meet your parents! I want to know how they raised a person, so damn DUMB!

Again find me one Democrat, just one Democrat who ever claimed to want to be like Cuba or Venezuela?
I have heard Democrats claiming they want to be like Scandinavia. I just described how it is here for me. You WOULD have been able to go to college here. So would your kids. You wouldn't have had to save what I assume is your entire life to do so. Your wife and you would have had Health Insurance your entire life. NO IT'S NOT THE WAY OF THE WORLD, JUST THE WAY IN THE US.

 

[imawhosure]

I urge EVERY American to remember that---------->if you have children or grandchildren under 18, or if YOU have been alive during this Democratic transition to Socialism, this is on US! We allowed this to happen, or...………..it is our job, to prevent the American take over by Socialists. It can be NO OTHER way!

We allowed it. We have to stop it!

Democrats.....REAL Democrats, have to reclaim their party; and until they do, it is OUR CIVIC DUTY to insure, that in their present iteration, the Far Left does not gain control of our government.

Some of us may not like our choice, but it is the only thing standing between us, and unbridled SOCIALISM!

Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.

Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".

Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.

An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!

Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?

In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare. Did you know that? They can walk right in to any healthcare center, and they are INSTANTLY taken care of! From what I understand, that is a whole lot faster than you are-)

What YOU are talking about, is HEALTH INSURANCE. Health insurance, is NOT healthcare!

Now my European friend, let me ask you a question-----------> You are sick, really sick! You have your charming and delightful National Healthcare insurance. You go to a facility, and they tell you they will run tests, in 4 months.

I go to MY healthcare facility, and they run the tests the next day, or within 5 days.

YOU DIE because the tests are to late to diagnose your problem. They pay.

I live, but they send me a bill!

Who is better off?

And if you say YOU are, you must be French, because they always surrender-)

I did know one can get primary care in any hospital. My wife is American by the way. No it's not faster then in my country ( although I can't vouch for other European countries). It's actually after that that the US lacks. What you guy do is making it economical unfeasible for certain segments of the populace to receive decent care. I know this because exactly that happened to my brother in law.
As to your question. Again I can't speak for all of Europe honestly, because I don't know how it is in every country in Europe. What I do know that here,( Belgium) . You get seen by a doctor quickly. One even comes to your house if you are not mobile. If you get really sick or hurt care is immediate. As an example I've been having headaches lately a lot. My GP send me to get a CT scan in my local hospital. At no point was there cause for alarm yet I got my scan in 2 weeks. My wife on the other hand, (this was before we got married, so no insurance), broke her ankle here pretty badly. She got seen, operated on in one hectic afternoon. Nobody asked her how she would pay for it and they even made a follow up. This of course is all anecdotal. What isn't that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by far. Yet for most health indicators the US score below most of Europe

Well, at least you are real.

Let me put it to you this way, and I hope you really read this----------------> In a perfect world, I believe that healthcare should be a mix of government subsidies, AND personal control of cost, with the recipient being able to KEEP 1/2 of the subsidy, if he/she comes in UNDER the subsidy, returning the other 1/2 to the government.

Why?

Because then the patient will attempt to get the LOWEST cost for their care, forcing healthcare facilities to COMPETE for their business, just as if you are purchasing a car, or beef, or oil, or natural gas.

Without the patient being given incentives to lower costs to themselves, nobody wins. The providers know if they give good or bad service, they get the same amount, or the patient knowing that no matter the service they receive, the government pays it, no entity has incentive to do anything.

FREEDOM is choice, plain and simple. You will only CHOOSE something different, if it benefits you! Those giving YOU healthcare will want those dollars, so they will alter what they provide by price, or care, so as YOU choose them.

Do you like money? So do they! So by competition, they will try to get more people to spend their healthcare dollars there. And there is only 2 ways to do it. Lower prices, or better care. That is a win-win! And then, you will get facilities who will offer lower prices, and BETTER than average care! If you get to keep 50% of the subsidy, you WILL be looking for that!

This is why SOCIALISM does NOT work! As long as something is free, the product doesn't have to get better, and as long as somebody else pays for it, the price never has to come down!