What Is The Flaw In This Sentence?

[Ravi]

So parental rights mean nothing when it comes to anything involving sex, carte blanche? Abortion trumps all?

The problem is that the parents still have to deal with the aftermath of this situation. And before you bring up the "bad parents" scenario, there are all sorts of middle ground here. You would rather have children being exploited by someone other than thier parents if thier parents are pro-life.

What a set of priorities you have.

Here are your priorities:

You'd rather have some poor child who is raped by a family member get permission from said family member for contraceptives just so the government will cover YOUR ass for being a poor parent.

Talk about a nanny state lover. bwahahahahahahaha!

This is about the government preventing parents from having say in thier childs lives, or information from medical professionals providing them with drugs or treatment?

YOUR side is the nanny state, presuming to take over parental responsibilities without the parent's stake in the situation, or even any real responsibility.

And as stated above there are legal remedies for this.

On the contrary, the parent has every right to prevent their children from being sexually active. If they don't the kid should not be forced to bear a child simply so you can shirk your own parental responsibilities.

 

[martybegan]

Here are your priorities:

You'd rather have some poor child who is raped by a family member get permission from said family member for contraceptives just so the government will cover YOUR ass for being a poor parent.

Talk about a nanny state lover. bwahahahahahahaha!

This is about the government preventing parents from having say in thier childs lives, or information from medical professionals providing them with drugs or treatment?

YOUR side is the nanny state, presuming to take over parental responsibilities without the parent's stake in the situation, or even any real responsibility.

And as stated above there are legal remedies for this.

On the contrary, the parent has every right to prevent their children from being sexually active. If they don't the kid should not be forced to bear a child simply so you can shirk your own parental responsibilities.

So in every case when the child would need a parent's permission to buy this stuff, they would automatically say HELL NO???

What about the parents that allow thier kids to be sexually active, but want to know what the hell the kid is taking?

Also, how do you explain the lack of a need for a perscription from a doctor? They are an outside party, surely a girl who doesnt trust thier parent can find a single doctor who would write a script for this??

 

[Ravi]

This is about the government preventing parents from having say in thier childs lives, or information from medical professionals providing them with drugs or treatment?

YOUR side is the nanny state, presuming to take over parental responsibilities without the parent's stake in the situation, or even any real responsibility.

And as stated above there are legal remedies for this.

On the contrary, the parent has every right to prevent their children from being sexually active. If they don't the kid should not be forced to bear a child simply so you can shirk your own parental responsibilities.

So in every case when the child would need a parent's permission to buy this stuff, they would automatically say HELL NO???

What about the parents that allow thier kids to be sexually active, but want to know what the hell the kid is taking?

Also, how do you explain the lack of a need for a perscription from a doctor? They are an outside party, surely a girl who doesnt trust thier parent can find a single doctor who would write a script for this??

What right do they have to say hell no?

It is an over the counter contraceptive, much like a condom, only it works after the fact. Do you support laws carding people that buy condoms also?

 

[martybegan]

On the contrary, the parent has every right to prevent their children from being sexually active. If they don't the kid should not be forced to bear a child simply so you can shirk your own parental responsibilities.

So in every case when the child would need a parent's permission to buy this stuff, they would automatically say HELL NO???

What about the parents that allow thier kids to be sexually active, but want to know what the hell the kid is taking?

Also, how do you explain the lack of a need for a perscription from a doctor? They are an outside party, surely a girl who doesnt trust thier parent can find a single doctor who would write a script for this??

What right do they have to say hell no?

It is an over the counter contraceptive, much like a condom, only it works after the fact. Do you support laws carding people that buy condoms also?

A condom is not a drug that is injested (unless someone is a real idiot). In reality I question why something like this is OTC in the first place, as they havent gotten around to making birth control pills OTC.

You also didnt answer my question regarding the doctor part.

 

[Pogo]

It is a hell of a lot more than a word. It is the government erasing parental rights and calling children adults.

No, that's your extrapolation. And it's a giant leap.
Who's to say definitively that every female 17 years 364 days old is a "girl" and the next day she's a "woman"? That's a completely arbitrary benchmark, and one that does not follow from historical precedent.

In any case, again, you're getting all worked up over a word. Only this, and nothing more.

So is a BAC of .08 for DWAI and .10 for DWI. For a legal system to work there has to be set lines.

Utterly false equivalent. You're actually trying to equate a scientific measurement with a loose concept of language. That's absurd. A scientific measure is fixed; language is not.

No one commits a violation of anything by addressing an eight-year-old boy as "young man". It's figurative. Get over it already.

 

[Ravi]

So in every case when the child would need a parent's permission to buy this stuff, they would automatically say HELL NO???

What about the parents that allow thier kids to be sexually active, but want to know what the hell the kid is taking?

Also, how do you explain the lack of a need for a perscription from a doctor? They are an outside party, surely a girl who doesnt trust thier parent can find a single doctor who would write a script for this??

What right do they have to say hell no?

It is an over the counter contraceptive, much like a condom, only it works after the fact. Do you support laws carding people that buy condoms also?

A condom is not a drug that is injested (unless someone is a real idiot). In reality I question why something like this is OTC in the first place, as they havent gotten around to making birth control pills OTC.

You also didnt answer my question regarding the doctor part.

So you are okay with some types of birth control being over the counter but not others. Imagine that!

The way the pill works would preclude the ability of it to work if one had to schedule a doctor's appointment and get a prescription. It is also considered safer than pregnancy and almost no abuse would be possible since it is a one shot deal.

 

[martybegan]

No, that's your extrapolation. And it's a giant leap.
Who's to say definitively that every female 17 years 364 days old is a "girl" and the next day she's a "woman"? That's a completely arbitrary benchmark, and one that does not follow from historical precedent.

In any case, again, you're getting all worked up over a word. Only this, and nothing more.

So is a BAC of .08 for DWAI and .10 for DWI. For a legal system to work there has to be set lines.

Utterly false equivalent. You're actually trying to equate a scientific measurement with a loose concept of language. That's absurd. A scientific measure is fixed; language is not.

No one commits a violation of anything by addressing an eight-year-old boy as "young man". It's figurative. Get over it already.

The measure of a BAC is rather exacting, however its INFLUENCE on a person VERY variable. the standards were set based upon emperical observations of a wide range of people.

So me at .12 may be more functional than someone at .06, however for it to work legally a standard must be made to allow comparison to the easily obtained value (a BAC) and not the arbitrary observations of a law enforcement officer that "someone is drunk" this is then codified as over X BAC is impaired, and you are criminally liable.

In the case of majority, yes some people mature faster than others, but unless we test people every year to see when they become an "adult" a standard must be applied. The issue isnt the language, its the fact that the laws want minors to have EITHER a persecription or parental permission to obtain morning after pills, and some idiot judge thinks this is a bad idea.

 

[martybegan]

What right do they have to say hell no?

It is an over the counter contraceptive, much like a condom, only it works after the fact. Do you support laws carding people that buy condoms also?

A condom is not a drug that is injested (unless someone is a real idiot). In reality I question why something like this is OTC in the first place, as they havent gotten around to making birth control pills OTC.

You also didnt answer my question regarding the doctor part.

So you are okay with some types of birth control being over the counter but not others. Imagine that!

The way the pill works would preclude the ability of it to work if one had to schedule a doctor's appointment and get a prescription. It is also considered safer than pregnancy and almost no abuse would be possible since it is a one shot deal.

Or maybe you buy it ahead of time and store it in case you need it?

In your scenario one has to find a pharmacy to get it, is finding a clinic that much harder?

 

[boedicca]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

 

[Ravi]

A condom is not a drug that is injested (unless someone is a real idiot). In reality I question why something like this is OTC in the first place, as they havent gotten around to making birth control pills OTC.

You also didnt answer my question regarding the doctor part.

So you are okay with some types of birth control being over the counter but not others. Imagine that!

The way the pill works would preclude the ability of it to work if one had to schedule a doctor's appointment and get a prescription. It is also considered safer than pregnancy and almost no abuse would be possible since it is a one shot deal.

Or maybe you buy it ahead of time and store it in case you need it?

In your scenario one has to find a pharmacy to get it, is finding a clinic that much harder?

Looks like you think your mythological fourteen year old is crafty enough to stock up on contraception before the rape.

Jesus ******* Christ.

I've never seen such hypocrisy from someone that pretends to be a libertarian. Condoms are fine and dandy but a birth control pill isn't. What century do you live in?

 

[Ravi]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

Since they cost $50 a pop there is no frequent use to study. Dope.

 

[Antares]

LOL, what a parent you'd make.

Not.

biology collides with legislation

If she needs contraception she is technically a woman.

 

[boedicca]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

Since they cost $50 a pop there is no frequent use to study. Dope.

Really? How do you know that? What's to stop a girl from buying a pill every time she has sex?

And $50? How will the poor get access to such pills?

 

[martybegan]

So you are okay with some types of birth control being over the counter but not others. Imagine that!

The way the pill works would preclude the ability of it to work if one had to schedule a doctor's appointment and get a prescription. It is also considered safer than pregnancy and almost no abuse would be possible since it is a one shot deal.

Or maybe you buy it ahead of time and store it in case you need it?

In your scenario one has to find a pharmacy to get it, is finding a clinic that much harder?

Looks like you think your mythological fourteen year old is crafty enough to stock up on contraception before the rape.

Jesus ******* Christ.

I've never seen such hypocrisy from someone that pretends to be a libertariani. Condoms are fine and dandy but a birth control pill isn't. What century do you live in?

My libertarianism starts at 18 years old, or wherever the age of majority starts.

A kids' ass is thier parents, unless a court says otherwise.

And who brought rape up into the picture?????

I am talking about a 14 year old being able to go into a pharmacy and get something that SHOULD be by perscription (but isnt due to abortion rights people wigging out over it) without seeing a doctor, and basically being able to self medicate with ZERO input from anyone even remotely responsible for them.

And if you cant figure out the difference betwen chemical birth control and a barrier method, maybe you should take high school health class again.

 

[martybegan]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

Since they cost $50 a pop there is no frequent use to study. Dope.

So once something costs $50 it precludes frequent use?

Inteteresting logic there cadet.

 

[boedicca]

And what about the poor girls who don't have $50?

 

[Antares]

Ms. Ravi will buy.

And what about the poor girls who don't have $50?

 

[boedicca]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

Since they cost $50 a pop there is no frequent use to study. Dope.

So once something costs $50 it precludes frequent use?

Inteteresting logic there cadet.

Definitely strange logic from Raving Loon.

We don't have a study on the impact, but the government will enable girls to go out and acquire a drug without their parents' consent.

Wow.

 

[Ravi]

Where are the FDA studies showing the long term impact of frequent use of the morning after pill by girls in adolescence?

Just wondering.

Since they cost $50 a pop there is no frequent use to study. Dope.

Really? How do you know that? What's to stop a girl from buying a pill every time she has sex?

And $50? How will the poor get access to such pills?

Not easily. The price should be free, imo.

But then again, I'm not for forced birth.

 

[boedicca]

Ms. Ravi will buy.

And what about the poor girls who don't have $50?

Shouldn't OBAMACARE cover this for FREEEEEEEE!!!! like everything else, which would enable Very Frequent Use.