Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[52ndStreet]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

 

[my2¢]

I'm not Catholic but my guess is that it has something to do with denoting the separation between them and the Greek Orthodox church.

 

[52ndStreet]

I'm not Catholic but my guess is that it has something to do with denoting the separation between them and the Greek Orthodox church.

So it has to do with differentiating themselves from the Greek Orthodox Church. ? Are you sure about that.??

 

[Harry Dresden]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

it is among the wealthiest cults...

 

[my2¢]

So it has to do with differentiating themselves from the Greek Orthodox Church. ? Are you sure about that.??

A podcast that I listen to weekly is 5 Minutes in Church History. The text from the Sept 19, 2023 podcast explains the Great Schism of 1054. An excerpt:

You had to see it to believe it. During the pope’s September 2010 visit to the United Kingdom, one protester’s sign stood out, far out, from the others. In large markered letters on the back of a pizza box, the theologically minded protester declared, “Drop the Filioque!”

The single Latin word on the sign means “and the son.” And this single Latin word holds the dubious honor of being one of the main factors responsible for the largest church split to date: the Great Schism in 1054 between the Roman Catholic Church in the West, with its seat of power in Rome, and the Orthodox Church in the East, with its seat of power in Constantinople. That’s a lot for a single word to bear.

Link to full text

 

[Ace Nova]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

The Catholic Church was the unification of hundreds of first century Christian Cults and Churches that existed among the Roman Empire in the years following the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. The world Catholic means Universal. In those days, Christians or their churches/cults would rarely describe themselves as Christian. They would refer to themselves as followers of Jesus of Nazareth, followers of the way, "The Church" - for this term came from them.

The Universal Church

It became the Roman Catholic Church - The Roman Universal Church - after the Roman Empire adopted it as the official religion of the Empire - which led to it becoming the most followed religion in the history of the known world - billions and billions of followers - to this very day.

So it has to do with differentiating themselves from the Greek Orthodox Church. ? Are you sure about that.??

No. The Greek Orthodox Church split from the Roman Catholic Church during The Great Schism in 1054. The Roman Catholic Church is the foundation for all Christian dominations worldwide - despite what revisionists like to invent.

 

[0311]

Who cares?

 

[luiza]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

It always has been .

An cruel invention to keep the Sheeple under Control .

But now wrecked by the new cave findings at Qumran where Jesus the Essene monk flatly denies being the Son of God .

Best example of modern Mind Control before the rise of MK Ultra .

 

[Cougarbear]

The Catholic Church was the unification of hundreds of first century Christian Cults and Churches that existed among the Roman Empire in the years following the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. The world Catholic means Universal. In those days, Christians or their churches/cults would rarely describe themselves as Christian. They would refer to themselves as followers of Jesus of Nazareth, followers of the way, "The Church" - for this term came from them.

The Universal Church

It became the Roman Catholic Church - The Roman Universal Church - after the Roman Empire adopted it as the official religion of the Empire - which led to it becoming the most followed religion in the history of the known world - billions and billions of followers - to this very day.


No. The Greek Orthodox Church split from the Roman Catholic Church during The Great Schism in 1054. The Roman Catholic Church is the foundation for all Christian dominations worldwide - despite what revisionists like to invent.

I'd like to ask you a question. What does the word "apostle" mean to Catholics? How is it defined and used? I ask because I keep hearing Catholics try to trace the organization of the RCC to Peter. That Peter wanted Linus to become the head of the Church after his death instead of one of the remaining apostles like Paul or John. Did John apostatize or did Paul apostatize? Also, I hear Catholics say Peter was the first pope. No, he was the senior apostle. Jesus never called his position a pope. Maybe you can clear some of this up.

 

[onefour1]

Matthew 23:7-10
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

The meaning of the word, "Pope" is father. see Pope (title). Apparently in direct conflict with the teachings of Jesus.

 

[Cougarbear]

Matthew 23:7-10
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

The meaning of the word, "Pope" is father. see Pope (title). Apparently in direct conflict with the teachings of Jesus.

When I was teaching at a Catholic High School, the faculty were having private mass celebration in the school library. The Father, who was conducting, read that very section during a prayer. I opened my eyes and noticed a couple of teachers with a puzzling look on their faces.
Now, there is the fact that in Exodus 20:12, one of the Ten Commandments is "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee." So, the verse in Matt 23:9 is specific for religious reasons calling a leader "father" or "Father" capitalized. If this is not the case, then in Exodus 20:12, there would then be an actual statement in the Bible that we also have a Mother in Heaven.

 

[Polishprince]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

Not at all. Roman Catholicism is based on the simple idea that Almighty God put Adam and Eve into the Garden, not Adam and Steve.

Just like any other non-cultic religious faith.

There is a huge difference between the RCC and cultic faiths like Unitarian Universalism and Radical Episcopalianism.

 

[Ace Nova]

I'd like to ask you a question. What does the word "apostle" mean to Catholics? How is it defined and used? I ask because I keep hearing Catholics try to trace the organization of the RCC to Peter. That Peter wanted Linus to become the head of the Church after his death instead of one of the remaining apostles like Paul or John. Did John apostatize or did Paul apostatize? Also, I hear Catholics say Peter was the first pope. No, he was the senior apostle. Jesus never called his position a pope. Maybe you can clear some of this up.

John 21:

The Beloved Disciple.

Peter looked around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them—the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had asked, “Lord, who is it that will betray you?” 21. When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 22. Jesus replied, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you? Follow me!”

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It always has been .

An cruel invention to keep the Sheeple under Control .

But now wrecked by the new cave findings at Qumran where Jesus the Essene monk flatly denies being the Son of God .

Best example of modern Mind Control before the rise of MK Ultra .

Having been born into a very large Roman Catholic family, many of us being placed in Catholic orphanages because our mother couldn't feed so many, being taught by some very nice and devout nuns, and being an altar boy, I can attest to the church as being a cult. I view the priests and nuns as similar to the TV anchors repeating the identical messaging that the Democrats give them to indoctrinate the masses. It is a coordinated and planned message that Jesus loves you and wants you eventually in heaven with him; all it takes is belief.

We readily see the David Koresh's of the world as cult leaders and when someone suggests that Jesus was a cult leader demanding everyone follow him and disown your family we just shrug and say that's different. When you look back at history you will find that it took 300 years for the initial church leaders to decide the illogical and preposterous trinity because they could not have Jesus as a lesser god called the son and without the devious and ruthless Constantine who saw that the church would help him maintain control over his own people, Catholicism would have died. As it was, he (allegedly) gave them money and land (they lied about that after he died), and even paid to build churches.

Religion is all about governmental control. It is used by politicians to keep people in check instead of in jail.

 

[ding]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

Roman Catholicism is the largest branch of Christianity, characterized by its unique doctrines, practices, and leadership structure. The Catholic Church's core beliefs revolve around the Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Church's role in salvation. Catholics believe in one God who exists as three distinct yet inseparable persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. They also believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, became human (the Incarnation), died for the forgiveness of sins, and rose again. Key practices in the Catholic Church include celebrating the Sacraments, particularly the Eucharist, attending Mass, participating in confession, and observing fasting and abstinence during specific periods. Catholics also strive to live a moral life, pray daily, and support the Church financially and otherwise.

And apparently the Church has many enemies.

 

[Cougarbear]

John 21:

The Beloved Disciple.

Peter looked around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them—the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had asked, “Lord, who is it that will betray you?” 21. When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 22. Jesus replied, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you? Follow me!”

He’s talking about John the apostle that was transliterated to stay alive until the Lord’s 2nd coming. You didn’t answer the question on Catholic definition of what an Apostle is. Disciple is not the same as Apostle.

 

[Meriweather]

I can attest to the church as being a cult.

By your definition of cult, everything is a cult: Government, schools, corporations, religion, food preparation, construction, anywhere there is a group of people you see a cult. Each of the groups I mentioned have a particular purpose, which is why we don't go around calling everything a cult, but rather use terms that define them specifically.

 

[Ace Nova]

Having been born into a very large Roman Catholic family, many of us being placed in Catholic orphanages because our mother couldn't feed so many, being taught by some very nice and devout nuns, and being an altar boy, I can attest to the church as being a cult. I view the priests and nuns as similar to the TV anchors repeating the identical messaging that the Democrats give them to indoctrinate the masses. It is a coordinated and planned message that Jesus loves you and wants you eventually in heaven with him; all it takes is belief.

We readily see the David Koresh's of the world as cult leaders and when someone suggests that Jesus was a cult leader demanding everyone follow him and disown your family we just shrug and say that's different. When you look back at history you will find that it took 300 years for the initial church leaders to decide the illogical and preposterous trinity because they could not have Jesus as a lesser god called the son and without the devious and ruthless Constantine who saw that the church would help him maintain control over his own people, Catholicism would have died. As it was, he (allegedly) gave them money and land (they lied about that after he died), and even paid to build churches.

Religion is all about governmental control. It is used by politicians to keep people in check instead of in jail.

If the Catholic Church was the source of "your and your sibling's food, shelter and livelihood" - that your own family, friends and government could not provide - and you detest it as some sort of "indoctrinating cult" - how do you regard your family, friends and government?

Christianity survived 300+ years of persecution - with the worst being in the decade prior to Constantine allowing the free practice of all religions (not just Christianity).

The Diocletianic or Great Persecution was the last and most severe persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire.<a In 303, the emperors Diocletian, Maximian, Galerius, and Constantius issued a series of edicts rescinding Christians' legal rights and demanding that they comply with traditional religious practices. Later edicts targeted the clergy and demanded universal sacrifice, ordering all inhabitants to sacrifice to the Roman gods. The persecution varied in intensity across the empire—weakest in Gaul and Britain, where only the first edict was applied, and strongest in the Eastern provinces. Persecutory laws were nullified by different emperors (Galerius with the Edict of Serdica in 311) at different times, but Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in 313 has traditionally marked the end of the persecution.

The Spiritual idea of the Trinity is first mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew 28:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom” (“Ad. Autol.”, II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Trinity


In terms of the conspiracy theory regarding Constantine embracing Christianity so he could maintain control of his people - it does not hold water. Constantine could have been much better off promoting pagan gods - such as Sol Invivtus - which he had actually done for a short period - to the delight of the majority of the pagan Roman Empire - than he would have by embracing Christianity - who's primary "God" was a man who was crucified by a previous Roman Governor. Crucifixion was among the most degrading forms of death during those times - reserved for the worst of the worst. An Emperor seeking support and unification of his people would never freely choose a religion based on a man being crucified.

In terms of the other conspiracy theory you mentioned - Churches and Christian lands were previously taken by force and continued to be under Roman control during Constantine's rule. When Constantine allowed religion to be practiced freely, he began giving some of the lands and Churches back to the various Christian sects - although many still were under Roman regulation. The idea that a Roman Emperor - Constantine - would pay a previously troublesome tribe of people money, so that he could practice their religion of self sacrifice, while carrying the cross of crucifixion - does not hold water.

 

[luiza]

Having been born into a very large Roman Catholic family, many of us being placed in Catholic orphanages because our mother couldn't feed so many, being taught by some very nice and devout nuns, and being an altar boy, I can attest to the church as being a cult. I view the priests and nuns as similar to the TV anchors repeating the identical messaging that the Democrats give them to indoctrinate the masses. It is a coordinated and planned message that Jesus loves you and wants you eventually in heaven with him; all it takes is belief.

We readily see the David Koresh's of the world as cult leaders and when someone suggests that Jesus was a cult leader demanding everyone follow him and disown your family we just shrug and say that's different. When you look back at history you will find that it took 300 years for the initial church leaders to decide the illogical and preposterous trinity because they could not have Jesus as a lesser god called the son and without the devious and ruthless Constantine who saw that the church would help him maintain control over his own people, Catholicism would have died. As it was, he (allegedly) gave them money and land (they lied about that after he died), and even paid to build churches.

Religion is all about governmental control. It is used by politicians to keep people in check instead of in jail.

Problem is that you can now see what Jesus the Essene monk actually said by researching the new Qumran parchments .
Decent chap but he categorically denied he was the son of God and did not want a formalised religion and church
Depressing for Cultists but most will simply deny the truth and just keep imagining the Fake Bible is the genuine word .
Guess it will take a generation or two before the Cult fades totally away .

 

[Ace Nova]

He’s talking about John the apostle that was transliterated to stay alive until the Lord’s 2nd coming. You didn’t answer the question on Catholic definition of what an Apostle is. Disciple is not the same as Apostle.

In my humble opinion...

He was teaching Peter (and those who have ears) to listen and to understand what it means to "love him". Jesus did not seek romantic or emotional love - "Loving him" meant trusting that what he instructed and sacrificed himself for was the way and the truth.

John 21:

15Jesus and Peter. When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He replied, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my lambs.”

16 Jesus said to him again, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He replied, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Tend my sheep.”

17;Jesus said to him a third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time, “Do you love me?” “Lord,” he said to him, “you know everything. You know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep."

18“Amen, amen, I say to you,
when you were young
you used to fasten your own belt
and you would go wherever you wished.
But when you grow old,
you will stretch out your hands,
and someone else will put a belt around you
and take you where you do not wish to go.”

19 He said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. After this, he said to him, “Follow me.”

20. Peter looked around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them—the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had asked, “Lord, who is it that will betray you?” 21. When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 22. Jesus replied, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you? Follow me!

23. The saying then spread among the brethren that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus had not said to Peter, “He will not die,” but, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you?”


Jesus asked Peter 3 times, "Do you love me?" - each time, Peter responded truthfully but emotionally - the same way he declared that he would not "be scandalized" like others - to Jesus during the passion - emotionally - yet he went on to deny Jesus 3 times)

Jesus knew Peter loved him emotionally - but what he asked of Peter was true brotherly love - based on loyalty and trust - displayed by Peter's thoughts and actions. Peter was still thinking emotionally so Jesus would help him understand.

Each time Jesus asked Peter, "Do you love me" Peter quickly responds "yes" - Jesus tells Peter what it truly means to love him - he must put into action Jesus' teachings. It's easy to agree to something emotionally (and it could be truthful) but the ultimate truth is putting the words into action.

After the 3rd time Jesus questions him, Peter gets frustrated and is hurt (emotionally) so he says, "You know everything. You know I love you"

Jesus now gives Peter "tough love". Some say that this was Jesus foretelling about Peter's eventual execution. In a way it was - but not how most understand it.

When Peter "was young" he would "fasten his own belt" and "go wherever he wished" - when Jesus first met Peter - Peter did not yet love him "emotionally" so when Jesus asked him to cast out his net, Peter hesitated and explained that he had not caught fish all night - but if Jesus said so, he would cast it - and he did. The net came back bursting with more fish than it was capable of holding.

This is the type of love Jesus asked of Peter - he would prefer that Peter would hesitate before answering (thinking it through) and then to do it (put words into action) then for Peter to have "blind emotional love" by immediately answering, without thinking about what it meant - and therefore not putting his words into action. "Peter would tie his own belt and go where he wanted" - he tied his belt by thinking about what Jesus was asking of him, even hesitating - but chose to trust Jesus - putting his words into action - and by doing this, "went where he wanted".

When Peter gets older "someone else will tie his belt and take him where he does not want to go" This was going to happen physically to Peter and potentially Spiritually but Jesus then says, "Follow me". This was a warning to Peter that although he would physically be subject to others - if he followed him, he would attain spiritual Truth - and would never be subject to someone else tying his belt and taking him where he does not want to go.