Zone1 What is hate speech?

[Hector12]

The Palestinians never ruled Palestine. It was ruled first by the Roman Empire, then by the Byzantine Empire, then by the Arab Empire, then by the Ottoman Empire, and finally by the British.

Now the Jews rule it, and rule it better than its previous rulers.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Israel started the '67 war. And you cannot hold onto land seized in a war. That has been illegal since the end of WWII.

Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq which had deployed over five hundred thousand troops, over twenty-five hundred tanks and nine hundred fifty-seven combat aircraft on Israel's borders in preparation for an attack. Israel was outnumbered two to one in infantry, three to one in tanks and three to one in combat aircraft. If Israel had waited for the Arab attack it's troops would have been over run and the Jews would have been exterminated like the Arabs have been promising to do on a regular basis since 1947.

As for not being able to keep territory won in war, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all kept territory they conquered from Israel in the 1948 war. You don't seem to have a problem with that. How about Russia keeping South Ossetia conquered from Georgia, Crimea from Ukraine and the two "breakaway provinces from the current war? You also seem okay with that.

 

[Lisa558]

Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq which had deployed over five hundred thousand troops, over twenty-five hundred tanks and nine hundred fifty-seven combat aircraft on Israel's borders in preparation for an attack. Israel was outnumbered two to one in infantry, three to one in tanks and three to one in combat aircraft. If Israel had waited for the Arab attack it's troops would have been over run and the Jews would have been exterminated like the Arabs have been promising to do on a regular basis since 1947.

As for not being able to keep territory won in war, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all kept territory they conquered from Israel in the 1948 war. You don't seem to have a problem with that. How about Russia keeping South Ossetia conquered from Georgia, Crimea from Ukraine and the two "breakaway provinces from the current war? You also seem okay with that.

He’s OK with those other countries because….well…..they’re not Jewish countries. The targeted condemnation for Israel while overlooking other countries for worse is a big tell.

And your description of the start of the Six-Day War is spot on. The armies of the enemy countries were positioned at Israel’s border, poised to strike within hours. Had the Israelis not launched the pre-emotive strike, the Arabs would have had their wish of driving Israel into the sea.

 

[Billo_Really]

Quote that from the Jewish Bible (AKA, the Old Testament)

That's my understanding of the Three Oaths. I'm a Catholic. It's not my religion.

 

[Billo_Really]

You can if they try violently to prevent your entry, and you defeat them.

But that's not what happened. You used Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun to drive 750,000 indigenous Palestinians off their farms.

 

[Billo_Really]

So what’s wrong with that? You don’t think Jews deserve ONE little majority-Jewish country, especially after the persecution and mass murder they’ve suffered. Muslims have dozens of countries. Christians have dozens of countries. Why such contempt for Jews that you don’t think they deserve ONE country of their own?!

Everything would be fine if you treated the Palestinians fairly. But you didn't. You're still not.

 

[Billo_Really]

I never heard that. It’s a Mitzvah to make Aliyah, and I know several Jews who have done that.

It's in the Three Oaths.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians did not own the land. It was owned by Turkish landlords who sold it to Jewish settlers.

70% of the land in Palestine at the time of the Zionist migration was owned by Arabs.

 

[Lisa558]

But that's not what happened. You used Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun to drive 750,000 indigenous Palestinians off their farms.

OOPSIE. You claim that Jews are not the issue, and that your condemnation is just for Israel, and then you go right back to your condemnation of “JEWISH terrorist groups.” Not too bright, are ya?

^^^ This poster is a perfect example as to how the anti-Israel attitudes and anti-Jew attitudes overlap, although they pretend they don’t.

 

[Lisa558]

It's in the Three Oaths.

What Three Oaths are you talking about? It’s a mitzvah to move to Israel!

 

[Lisa558]

Everything would be fine if you treated the Palestinians fairly. But you didn't. You're still not.

Everything would be fine if the Palestinians accepted the Jews’ offering of their own state. But their antisemitism wouldn’t allow it.

 

[Lisa558]

70% of the land in Palestine at the time of the Zionist migration was owned by Arabs.

Where are you getting your propaganda from?

https://israeled.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/themes-land-issue-2-22-13.pdf

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq which had deployed over five hundred thousand troops, over twenty-five hundred tanks and nine hundred fifty-seven combat aircraft on Israel's borders in preparation for an attack. Israel was outnumbered two to one in infantry, three to one in tanks and three to one in combat aircraft. If Israel had waited for the Arab attack it's troops would have been over run and the Jews would have been exterminated like the Arabs have been promising to do on a regular basis since 1947.

As for not being able to keep territory won in war, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all kept territory they conquered from Israel in the 1948 war. You don't seem to have a problem with that. How about Russia keeping South Ossetia conquered from Georgia, Crimea from Ukraine and the two "breakaway provinces from the current war? You also seem okay with that.

Israel started the '67 war. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Billo_Really]

OOPSIE. You claim that Jews are not the issue, and that your condemnation is just for Israel, and then you go right back to your condemnation of “JEWISH terrorist groups.” Not too bright, are ya?

^^^ This poster is a perfect example as to how the anti-Israel attitudes and anti-Jew attitudes overlap, although they pretend they don’t.

You want to go back to arguing semantics, rather than address the fact that you started the violence.

 

[Lisa558]

Israel started the '67 war. That's all I'm saying.

It was a defensive pre-emotive strike. The Arabs started it.

 

[Billo_Really]

What Three Oaths are you talking about? It’s a mitzvah to move to Israel!

Your Jewish and you want me to tell you about the Three Oaths? Fucking Google it!

 

[Lisa558]

You want to go back to arguing semantics, rather than address the fact that you started the violence.

How is it semantics? You say your hatred for Israel has nothing to do with Jewish people, and then you refer to “Jewish terrorism.”

Look, I know leftists hate more successful people, which is what is driving your animus toward Jews.

 

[Billo_Really]

Everything would be fine if the Palestinians accepted the Jews’ offering of their own state. But their antisemitism wouldn’t allow it.

Why do you insist on making this a religious issue? Oh, I know, it's because that's all you have.

 

[Billo_Really]

It was a defensive pre-emotive strike. The Arabs started it.

That's only legal if hostilities were imminent. And they were'nt.

 

[Lisa558]

You’re Jewish and you want me to tell you about the Three Oaths? Fucking Google it!

1) It’s “you’re.” Your ignorance is showing.

2) Your use of profanity, especially when talking to a woman old enough to be your mother, shows your immaturity.

3) If I haven’t heard of it, after years of Jewish education, clearly it’s something that is not recognized.

Really, son….try to grow up a bit before you continue to debate.