What is going on with the Republican party?

[nodoginnafight]

You are mis characterizing what I said. Our Education was and is lacking by design. Your understanding and your facts about Hamilton are minimal at best. He hit a nerve with me and I did my homework. Bottom line is He was a Stateist. Obama is a Stateist. DNC is Statist. Centralized Government Control.

No I am quoting you directly. You are trying to redefine terms to suit your needs.

Thank you for backing up my assertion of Hamilton being a conservative. In that time and age, don't get more Conservative than the Brits. (aka Tories)

Exactly - might not be flattering for conservatives today to realize this is the tradition that they are following, so they attempt to redefine things. The fact that tories were the ultimate conservatives of their day (even the days that FOLLOWED the American Revolution) is indisputable.

Regardless of how unflattering the revisionists find it.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - it encourages filling in the gaps with unsupported speculation and downright fabrications. And insults and condescention are NOT substitutes for reality.

 

[Intense]

Interesting historical revisionism. Hamilton was the ultra Conservative of his day.

Hamilton was an Imperialist, that feared the Populace. He Corrupted both Washington's and Adam's administrations. He corroborated with the British against the US by leaking information to them. He corrupted the wording of the Constitution, He was responsible for The Alien and Sedition Acts, He was an adversary of both Jefferson and Madison.

I don't blame you for your education, so don't take it personal.

Thank you for backing up my assertion of Hamilton being a conservative. In that time and age, don't get more Conservative than the Brits. (aka Tories)

You are off just a little. Hamilton and Madison would have both defined themselves as Federalists. Remember The Federalist Papers? Hamilton, Madison, and Jay? Hamilton used Federalism to create his vision of the Oligarchy State, where Money controlled Power. Madison was a different Brand of Federalist, He was Rooted in Principle, where Hamilton was Principal (bottom line), and Control.

Read The Virginia Resolution.

Federalism originally saw Each State as Sovereign, Coming together Under the Constitution, voluntarily, with what was outside of the Jurisdiction of the Enumerated Powers of the Fed, being reserved to either the respective States or We The People.

Today the Fed refers to the States as appendages, whom are dictated to carry out it's will, punished when they fail to do so. These characteristics are like Hamilton and the DNC, and Obama. Conservatives and Populist Republicans are divided over this too.

Just Government is not a yard sale, or a free give away. It is about establishing Justice, and defending it.

I have got to go work now.

 

[nodoginnafight]

You are off just a little. Hamilton and Madison would have both defined themselves as Federalists.

I'm less interested in how people try to define (or re-define) themselves. As we have seen in this thread, by tampering with definitions, folks can "define themselves" any darn way they find most flattering. It's very dishonest and the big reason most folks don't trust people to "define themselves."

 

[Intense]

You are off just a little. Hamilton and Madison would have both defined themselves as Federalists.

I'm less interested in how people try to define (or re-define) themselves. As we have seen in this thread, by tampering with definitions, folks can "define themselves" any darn way they find most flattering. It's very dishonest and the big reason most folks don't trust people to "define themselves."

How about I don't place limits on you, and you don't place limits on me. It's not my concern what interests you. I am not here to live up to your expectations, but mine. There is nothing dishonest in my posts, or misleading. I'm not here to flatter or be flattered, either.
Totalitarianism is not the solution.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Bullshit there are two types of moderates leftist like you biker that call themselves moderates but support every leftist gimcrack that comes down the pike and people who actually are moderates who are usually people who vote based almost entirely on who has annoyed them most recently.

Show me any kind of rationally consistent to national politics in America over the last ten years. That can't be explained by the sort of moderates I just defined.

Leftist? Listen fuckstick, if you would go to the hospital and get a glass belly button installed so that you can see where the hell you're going (might wanna add a snorkel as well so that you can breathe), you might be able to see in front of you.

I voted for Reagan, I voted for Bush Sr, I voted AGAINST Clinton as well as made sure that when he came onboard the ship during Navy Days in Ft Lauderdale, I was on liberty and far away from him.

I also voted for that idiot chimp Bush Jr. the first time.

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

And that, dear idiot, is why I'm now an independent. What the fuck does your REMF 1 term serving ass think someone is after 20 years of military service? I call 'em independent.

Fuck off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

 

[JimH52]

Bullshit there are two types of moderates leftist like you biker that call themselves moderates but support every leftist gimcrack that comes down the pike and people who actually are moderates who are usually people who vote based almost entirely on who has annoyed them most recently.

Show me any kind of rationally consistent to national politics in America over the last ten years. That can't be explained by the sort of moderates I just defined.

Leftist? Listen fuckstick, if you would go to the hospital and get a glass belly button installed so that you can see where the hell you're going (might wanna add a snorkel as well so that you can breathe), you might be able to see in front of you.

I voted for Reagan, I voted for Bush Sr, I voted AGAINST Clinton as well as made sure that when he came onboard the ship during Navy Days in Ft Lauderdale, I was on liberty and far away from him.

I also voted for that idiot chimp Bush Jr. the first time.

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

And that, dear idiot, is why I'm now an independent. What the fuck does your REMF 1 term serving ass think someone is after 20 years of military service? I call 'em independent.

Fuck off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

 

[nodoginnafight]

How about I don't place limits on you, and you don't place limits on me. It's not my concern what interests you. I am not here to live up to your expectations, but mine.

I can absolutely 100% agree with this. But I do reserve the right to continue to disagree. In this instance I disagreed with what I believe to be inaccurate re-definitions. I think that under our new "terms of engagement" I'm entitled to that aren't I?

 

[Oscar Wao]

I also voted for that idiot chimp Bush Jr. the first time.

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

And that, dear idiot, is why I'm now an independent. What the fuck does your REMF 1 term serving ass think someone is after 20 years of military service? I call 'em independent.

Fuck off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

Haha, that seems to be the "past" of a lot of us!!!!

I didn't vote for Dubya (2004 Election), as I was only 15 at the time. However, I sure was a "supporter" of him, parroting the neo-con mantras, the talk radio points, the hardcore evangelicalism, you name it.

It was the night of July 3, 2005, into the beginning of July 4, 2005, that I suddenly "woke up" for some odd reason (and the irony, what a day to have that epiphany on!). I started to look more into different viewpoints...went from Robot Paul to Paleo Paul! haha! But I never seem to stop "growing" (in anything important).

Though I have views from other sides, too!!!

 

[geauxtohell]

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

We have that in common.

My only regret: I served under that fucking idiot Rumsfeld and not Gates.

What would Bush have been if he'd had the nuts to divorce himself from Cheney and the rest of his Daddy's scumbag friends?

 

[Intense]

How about I don't place limits on you, and you don't place limits on me. It's not my concern what interests you. I am not here to live up to your expectations, but mine.

I can absolutely 100% agree with this. But I do reserve the right to continue to disagree. In this instance I disagreed with what I believe to be inaccurate re-definitions. I think that under our new "terms of engagement" I'm entitled to that aren't I?

Disagreement was not and is not an issue with me, Nodog. Be true to yourself.
I suggest you check out a book called "Reclaiming The American Revolution, though I have no expectation that you will.

What You call Revisionist, I researched. What I see as revisionist, is what we were taught in school. The damage was done before we were born. We never had a chance within the preset boundaries.

Why challenge me without even specifics?

I challenge you to independently study Hamilton. Do that, and I will take what you say seriously. Don't, and we are at an impasse.

Here are some Serious Links that I believe You will Approve of. We were not taught this in school. Check out Hamiltons Writings in the Federalist Papers, You will see that he later switched horses. You might also that we are in fact arguing over some of the same principles.

Liberty Library of Constitutional Classics

Avalon Project - Documents in Law, History and Diplomacy

The University of Oklahoma College of Law: A Chronology of US Historical Documents

Our Documents - 100 Milestone Documents

 

[Rational Man]

If the Republican Party thinks that they are going to grow the party by opposing Obama's health care plan, then they are sorely mistaking. Minorities hate the Republican Party and minorities are the future of this country. Unless the Repubs do something constructive to appeal to minorities, then they may not exist 20 - 30 years from now.

 

[ElmerMudd]

If the Republican Party thinks that they are going to grow the party by opposing Obama's health care plan, then they are sorely mistaking. Minorities hate the Republican Party and minorities are the future of this country. Unless the Repubs do something constructive to appeal to minorities, then they may not exist 20 - 30 years from now.

Not only minorities but also the young. Both demographics are turning away from the Republicans.

The world is changing. Old white men will no longer rule the world.

 

[ABikerSailor]

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

We have that in common.

My only regret: I served under that fucking idiot Rumsfeld and not Gates.

What would Bush have been if he'd had the nuts to divorce himself from Cheney and the rest of his Daddy's scumbag friends?

Yeah.........have you seen the way that Cheney is rolling over on Bush Jr.? Seems now, Cheney is writing a book saying that Bush Jr. went soft in his second term, but was too independent.

Oxymoron anyone?

 

[Maple]

You will see what happens to the GOP during the up and coming sunami that's going to occur in the 2010 elections.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Shit..........after 2010, the Republicans may end up going the way of the Washingtonians.

 

[JimH52]

Shit..........after 2010, the Republicans may end up going the way of the Washingtonians.

What would we do what would we do?

 

[007]

After I saw the fucked up way that he treated the troops, as well as going to war against a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, I lost all faith in the GOP.

We have that in common.

My only regret: I served under that fucking idiot Rumsfeld and not Gates.

What would Bush have been if he'd had the nuts to divorce himself from Cheney and the rest of his Daddy's scumbag friends?

Yeah.........have you seen the way that Cheney is rolling over on Bush Jr.? Seems now, Cheney is writing a book saying that Bush Jr. went soft in his second term, but was too independent.

Oxymoron anyone?

Bush did go soft, on illegal immigration for one. I dislike little Bush and Cheney. They were a couple of morons, and Bush had no legal authority to start Iraq II.

I'll vote independent from here on out.

 

[Intense]

I'll either vote for the Candidate I can Support on merit, Write in, or do a no vote. There is an issue though with leaving a field blank intentionally, in regards to the corruption in determining intent in vote counting. Some counters have deluded themselves into believing that they can claim voter intent by party affiliation or no party affiliation. Sort of leaves you pissing into the wind.

 

[Intense]

Shit..........after 2010, the Republicans may end up going the way of the Washingtonians.

So that will leave us with "The Party" comrade? The Socialist's Utopia Party? You will actually be able to do away with the burden of original thought. I think not.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No. Let some of these other groups stand up in the spotlight. Remember........there have been a few times over the course of this country that a majority party has ended up becoming a minority party. Ever heard of the Whigs? As this country grows, our political system must grow and change with it.

Personally? I'd like to see a field of 10 candidates, with the winner being President and the runner up gets Vice President, no 2 party elections, let 'em all run.

Pale Rider......you saying that you're now going Independent is probably the smartest thing I've heard you say on this board EVER. Kudos, you may be growing a brain.