What Is Genocide?

[Hollie]

You are beaten. Any outburst from you is seen as surrender.

So just surrender.

You’re desperate to continue making yourself a befuddled fool.

 

[Kondor3]

And the Israeli's are doing both.

Payback for October 7, 2023... perhaps once the Israelis reach an equitable 100-to-1 Kill Ratio, maybe they'll throttle back a bit...

Payback's a bitch, ain't it? ...sux to be on your side, doesn't it?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

No land was deeded by the British. You’re making a befuddled fool of yourself.

Close your mouth honey. I get that you are an alt-right mouthpiece, but you have no grasp of history.
So just be silent and thought the fool you are.

Google The Balfour Declaration

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Payback for October 7, 2023... perhaps once the Israelis reach an equitable 100-to-1 Kill Ratio, maybe they'll throttle back a bit...

Payback's a bitch, ain't it? ...sux to be on your side, doesn't it?

I think we're a way bit beyond that payback, don't you?

 

[TruthNotBS]

You somehow missed it but Israel has defined borders and maintains sovereignty over its land area.

The land area you seem to believe has been Pal’istanian land forever is nonsensical. That land area was a Sanjak of the Ottoman Empire for 800 years until the end of WW1.

BTW, the Ottoman Turks never recognized any such land area as Pal’istan.

BTW you're wrong:

1. Ancient to Early Islamic Usage​

• Herodotus (5th century BCE): Referred to the area as Palaestina in his Histories.
• Roman and Byzantine Periods: The Romans renamed part of the region Syria Palaestina (2nd century CE). Byzantine writings also used variations of “Palaestina” (e.g., Palaestina Prima, Secunda).
• Early Islamic Caliphates: After the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Umayyads and Abbasids organized much of the southern Levant into Jund Filasṭīn (the “Military District of Palestine”). This is well-documented in early Islamic administrative geography.

Key Reference​

• Al-Muqaddasi (10th century), an Islamic geographer from Jerusalem, wrote extensively about Bilād al-Shām (Greater Syria), including Filasṭīn, in Aḥsan al-Taqāsīm fī Maʿrifat al-Aqālīm.
  
  • English translation: Al-Muqaddasi, The Best Divisions for Knowledge of the Regions, tr. Basil Collins (Reading, UK: Garnet Publishing, 1994).

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2. The Mamluk Period (13th–16th centuries)​

• Under the Mamluks (1250–1517), the region was usually administered as part of Bilād al-Shām (Greater Syria).
• Despite not being a separate province called “Palestine,” the term “Filasṭīn” continued in local usage—both among scholars and in certain administrative contexts—especially for describing the area roughly encompassing today’s central and southern Israel/Palestine.

Key Reference​

• Amalia Levanoni, “The Mamluks in Bilad al-Sham,” in The Oxford Handbook of the History of Nationalism (ed. John Breuilly, 2013).
• Jean Richard, The Mamluks (Cambridge University Press) for references to how Mamluk administrative divisions overlapped with older “Filastin” boundaries.

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3. The Ottoman Period (1516/17–1917)​

When the Ottoman Empire took over in the early 16th century, administrative divisions in the southern Levant shifted over time. The region was subdivided into several sanjaks (districts), notably:

• Sanjak of Jerusalem (later upgraded to a mutasarrifiyya in 1872),
• Sanjak of Nablus,
• Sanjak of Acre,
• and these, at times, were attached to larger vilayets (e.g., Damascus, later the Beirut Vilayet).

Did the Ottomans Officially Call the Region “Palestine”?​

• Short Answer: They did not maintain a single administrative unit named “Palestine.” You won’t find a 16th- or 19th-century Ottoman document creating a “Province of Palestine.” Instead, they used the above administrative terms.
• However, both European and local Arabic sources (including some Ottoman official correspondence, traveler accounts, and local salnâme—yearbooks) sometimes referred to the broader area as Arḍ Filasṭīn (the land of Palestine) or simply Filasṭīn, as a geographic name. This reflects a continued recognition of “Palestine” as a historic/ethnographic term.

Examples and Evidence​

1. Ottoman Salnâme (Yearbooks):
   
   • Some Ottoman provincial yearbooks in the late 19th century (Salnâme of the Beirut Vilayet, for instance) use “Filasṭīn” or “mutasarrifiyya of Quds (Jerusalem)” in contexts describing the territory. The name “Filasṭīn” appears more as a geographical reference than an official administrative label.
2. Travelers’ and Consular Reports (19th century):
   
   • European consular representatives in Jerusalem often used “Palestine” in their reports to describe the region of the Jerusalem mutasarrifiyya and surrounding areas.
   • James Finn, British Consul in Jerusalem (1846–1863), used “Palestine” in dispatches to the British government. These documents are found in the UK National Archives and in published forms (e.g., Stirring Times, or Records from Jerusalem Consular Chronicles, by James Finn).
3. Arab Historians & Intellectuals (19th–20th centuries):
   
   • Local newspapers that emerged in late Ottoman times (e.g., al-Karmil in Haifa, founded 1908) also referred to the region as “Filasṭīn.”
   • Butrus al-Bustani (19th-century Lebanese scholar) included references to “Filasṭīn” in his encyclopedia, Dā’irat al-Maʿārif.
   • Palestinian Christian intellectuals like Najib Nassar wrote about “Filasṭīn” before WWI.

Scholarly Works & Links​

• Gershon Hundert (ed.), The YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe[Online version has entries on Ottoman administrative units, with mention of “Palestine” as a known geographic term, though not an official vilayet].
  
  • Link – While focusing on Jewish history, it discusses how the term “Palestine” was used.
• Johann Büssow, Hamidian Palestine: Politics and Society in the District of Jerusalem 1872–1908(Leiden: Brill, 2011).
  
  • Brill Link – An academic monograph focusing on the late Ottoman district of Jerusalem, in which “Palestine” is used as a broader descriptor.
• Gad G. Gilbar (ed.), Ottoman Palestine, 1800–1914: Studies in Economic and Social History(Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1990).
  
  • Collections of articles describing the socio-economic structures in the region, sometimes referred to as “Palestine” or “Southern Syria.”

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4. Summary Points​

1. Term in Use, Not a Formal Province: The Ottomans did not officially label a single province as “Palestine” (like a “Vilayet of Palestine”). Instead, the region was mostly split into the Sanjak (later Mutasarrifiyya) of Jerusalem, Sanjak of Nablus, and Sanjak of Acre, attached to larger Syrian vilayets.
2. Local & Scholarly Continuity of the Name: The Arabic name Filasṭīn did persist in local usage, cartography, European diplomatic correspondence, and even some late Ottoman administrative documents as a geographical term (comparable to how “New England” describes a region but is not an official U.S. state).
3. Pre-Ottoman Precedent: Going back to early Islamic times, “Filasṭīn” (Palestine) was recognized as a distinct district (Jund Filasṭīn). This usage never fully disappeared.
4. Evidence Base: 19th-century consular reports, Arabic newspapers, Ottoman yearbooks (salnâme), and scholarly works (cited above) reflect that “Palestine” was a known name for the region—even though it wasn’t a single Ottoman administrative unit.

You're playing semantics. Both Christians and Muslims have been living there, in Palestine, forever, and Jews shouldn't have the right to take all of the land for themselves. The fact that Zionist Jews have illegally, defined "their borders" amounts to nothing. That in and of itself doesn't give them the right to take land from Christians and Muslims who have been living on that land for millennia.

 

[Kondor3]

Close your mouth honey. I get that you are an alt-right mouthpiece, but you have no grasp of history.
So just be silent and thought the fool you are.

Google The Balfour Declaration

None of that old 1910s-1920s hor$e$hit means anything anymore...

Vae victis... woe to the vanquished... time for the Gazans to leave...

You could have opted for peaceful coexistence... you chose otherwise, on multiple occasions...

Choices have consequences... YOUR choice has long-since been made...

These are your consequences... enjoy...

 

[Hollie]

And the Israeli's are doing both.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes started a war. To late to cry “do over” now.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes have the option to surrender.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Your Islamic terrorist heroes started a war. To late to cry “do over” now.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes have the option to surrender.

They're not terrorists, they're freedom-fighters, rebels who are fighting a brutal colonizer. The Palestinians treat their prisoners better than how the Israelis treat them. That shows who is actually the "terrorists", it's not the Palestinians, it's the Israelis.

 

[Hollie]

BTW you're wrong:

1. Ancient to Early Islamic Usage​

• Herodotus (5th century BCE): Referred to the area as Palaestina in his Histories.
• Roman and Byzantine Periods: The Romans renamed part of the region Syria Palaestina (2nd century CE). Byzantine writings also used variations of “Palaestina” (e.g., Palaestina Prima, Secunda).
• Early Islamic Caliphates: After the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Umayyads and Abbasids organized much of the southern Levant into Jund Filasṭīn (the “Military District of Palestine”). This is well-documented in early Islamic administrative geography.

Key Reference​

• Al-Muqaddasi (10th century), an Islamic geographer from Jerusalem, wrote extensively about Bilād al-Shām (Greater Syria), including Filasṭīn, in Aḥsan al-Taqāsīm fī Maʿrifat al-Aqālīm.
  
  • English translation: Al-Muqaddasi, The Best Divisions for Knowledge of the Regions, tr. Basil Collins (Reading, UK: Garnet Publishing, 1994).

---

2. The Mamluk Period (13th–16th centuries)​

• Under the Mamluks (1250–1517), the region was usually administered as part of Bilād al-Shām (Greater Syria).
• Despite not being a separate province called “Palestine,” the term “Filasṭīn” continued in local usage—both among scholars and in certain administrative contexts—especially for describing the area roughly encompassing today’s central and southern Israel/Palestine.

Key Reference​

• Amalia Levanoni, “The Mamluks in Bilad al-Sham,” in The Oxford Handbook of the History of Nationalism (ed. John Breuilly, 2013).
• Jean Richard, The Mamluks (Cambridge University Press) for references to how Mamluk administrative divisions overlapped with older “Filastin” boundaries.

---

3. The Ottoman Period (1516/17–1917)​

When the Ottoman Empire took over in the early 16th century, administrative divisions in the southern Levant shifted over time. The region was subdivided into several sanjaks (districts), notably:

• Sanjak of Jerusalem (later upgraded to a mutasarrifiyya in 1872),
• Sanjak of Nablus,
• Sanjak of Acre,
• and these, at times, were attached to larger vilayets (e.g., Damascus, later the Beirut Vilayet).

Did the Ottomans Officially Call the Region “Palestine”?​

• Short Answer: They did not maintain a single administrative unit named “Palestine.” You won’t find a 16th- or 19th-century Ottoman document creating a “Province of Palestine.” Instead, they used the above administrative terms.
• However, both European and local Arabic sources (including some Ottoman official correspondence, traveler accounts, and local salnâme—yearbooks) sometimes referred to the broader area as Arḍ Filasṭīn (the land of Palestine) or simply Filasṭīn, as a geographic name. This reflects a continued recognition of “Palestine” as a historic/ethnographic term.

Examples and Evidence​

1. Ottoman Salnâme (Yearbooks):
   
   • Some Ottoman provincial yearbooks in the late 19th century (Salnâme of the Beirut Vilayet, for instance) use “Filasṭīn” or “mutasarrifiyya of Quds (Jerusalem)” in contexts describing the territory. The name “Filasṭīn” appears more as a geographical reference than an official administrative label.
2. Travelers’ and Consular Reports (19th century):
   
   • European consular representatives in Jerusalem often used “Palestine” in their reports to describe the region of the Jerusalem mutasarrifiyya and surrounding areas.
   • James Finn, British Consul in Jerusalem (1846–1863), used “Palestine” in dispatches to the British government. These documents are found in the UK National Archives and in published forms (e.g., Stirring Times, or Records from Jerusalem Consular Chronicles, by James Finn).
3. Arab Historians & Intellectuals (19th–20th centuries):
   
   • Local newspapers that emerged in late Ottoman times (e.g., al-Karmil in Haifa, founded 1908) also referred to the region as “Filasṭīn.”
   • Butrus al-Bustani (19th-century Lebanese scholar) included references to “Filasṭīn” in his encyclopedia, Dā’irat al-Maʿārif.
   • Palestinian Christian intellectuals like Najib Nassar wrote about “Filasṭīn” before WWI.

Scholarly Works & Links​

• Gershon Hundert (ed.), The YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe[Online version has entries on Ottoman administrative units, with mention of “Palestine” as a known geographic term, though not an official vilayet].
  
  • Link – While focusing on Jewish history, it discusses how the term “Palestine” was used.
• Johann Büssow, Hamidian Palestine: Politics and Society in the District of Jerusalem 1872–1908(Leiden: Brill, 2011).
  
  • Brill Link – An academic monograph focusing on the late Ottoman district of Jerusalem, in which “Palestine” is used as a broader descriptor.
• Gad G. Gilbar (ed.), Ottoman Palestine, 1800–1914: Studies in Economic and Social History(Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1990).
  
  • Collections of articles describing the socio-economic structures in the region, sometimes referred to as “Palestine” or “Southern Syria.”

---

4. Summary Points​

1. Term in Use, Not a Formal Province: The Ottomans did not officially label a single province as “Palestine” (like a “Vilayet of Palestine”). Instead, the region was mostly split into the Sanjak (later Mutasarrifiyya) of Jerusalem, Sanjak of Nablus, and Sanjak of Acre, attached to larger Syrian vilayets.
2. Local & Scholarly Continuity of the Name: The Arabic name Filasṭīn did persist in local usage, cartography, European diplomatic correspondence, and even some late Ottoman administrative documents as a geographical term (comparable to how “New England” describes a region but is not an official U.S. state).
3. Pre-Ottoman Precedent: Going back to early Islamic times, “Filasṭīn” (Palestine) was recognized as a distinct district (Jund Filasṭīn). This usage never fully disappeared.
4. Evidence Base: 19th-century consular reports, Arabic newspapers, Ottoman yearbooks (salnâme), and scholarly works (cited above) reflect that “Palestine” was a known name for the region—even though it wasn’t a single Ottoman administrative unit.

You're playing semantics. Both Christians and Muslims have been living there, in Palestine, forever, and Jews shouldn't have the right to take all of the land for themselves. The fact that Jews have illegally, defined "their borders" amounts to nothing. That in and of itself doesn't give them the right to take land from Christians and Muslims who have been living on that land for millennia.

BTW, your cutting and pasting confirms what I wrote. Do us all a favor and cut and paste a map of the Ottoman Empire. You won’t find any geographic area labeled as Pal’istan.

You’re playing “I don’t understand” so I’ll cut and paste volumes that prove “I don’t understand”

 

[TruthNotBS]

They're not terrorists, they're freedom-fighters, rebels who are fighting a brutal colonizer. The Palestinians treat their prisoners better than how the Israelis treat them. That shows who is actually the "terrorists", it's not the Palestinians, it's the Israelis.

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[Kondor3]

They're not terrorists, they're freedom-fighters, rebels who are fighting a brutal colonizer. The Palestinians treat their prisoners better than how the Israelis treat them. That shows who is actually the "terrorists", it's not the Palestinians, it's the Israelis.

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Another Hamas sympathizer...

I wonder if it's residing in a US jurisdiction...

If so, I wonder if it's a citizen or if it's got a revokable visa...

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Your Islamic terrorist heroes started a war. To late to cry “do over” now.

Your Islamic terrorist heroes have the option to surrender.

As I am neither Jewish or Islamic, they are not mine..or anyone's "heroes". I get it. You repeat talking points. You need a target. But your problem is you are targeting an entity that isn't a standing army.
Afghanistan. Vietnam...Ringing any bells yet?...no?..yeah. figured. Just kill the innocents and let the pieces fall where they may.

The definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

 

[TruthNotBS]

BTW, your cutting and pasting confirms what I wrote. Do us all a favor and cut and paste a map of the Ottoman Empire. You won’t find any geographic area labeled as Pal’istan.

You’re playing “I don’t understand” so I’ll cut and paste volumes that prove “I don’t understand”

You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The Ottomans also recognized that region of the Levant as Palestine. It has been called Palestine for almost 2000 years, at least. Even before Christ, it was known as Palestine. But that's all irrelevant, that's just your semantic game, to dehumanize and dispossess the Christians and Muslims of the Holy Land. You will never achieve that. You stinking Zionists will be defeated.

 

[Hollie]

They're not terrorists, they're freedom-fighters, rebels who are fighting a brutal colonizer. The Palestinians treat their prisoners better than how the Israelis treat them. That shows who is actually the "terrorists", it's not the Palestinians, it's the Israelis.

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Ah. Islamic terrorists are ”freedom fighters”. How cute. They have the freedom to surrender.

What a fraud. You cut and pasted undated, unsourced photos you found on an Islamic terrorist website.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Another Hamas sympathizer...

I wonder if it's residing in a US jurisdiction...

If so, I wonder if it's a citizen or if it's got a revokable visa...

Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization against a brutal, apartheid state.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Ah. Islamic terrorists are ”freedom fighters”. How cute. They have the freedom to surrender.

What a fraud. You cut and pasted undated, unsourced photos you found on an Islamic terrorist website.

You Zionist scumbags are the "terrorists", not the Christians and Muslims of the Holy Land who are simply defending themselves against a brutal Jewish Zionist occupation and racist regime.

 

[Hollie]

You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The Ottomans also recognized that region of the Levant as Palestine. It has been called Palestine for almost 2000 years, at least. Even before Christ, it was known as Palestine. But that's all irrelevant, that's just your semantic game, to dehumanize and dispossess the Christians and Muslims of the Holy Land. You will never achieve that. You stinking Zionists will be defeated.

You were tasked with cutting and pasting a map of the Ottoman Empire. There was no geographic area recognized as Pal’istan.

 

[Kondor3]

Hamas is a freedom-fighting organization against a brutal, apartheid state.

Bull$hit.. phukk them... and phukk you, too... Achmed...

 

[Kondor3]

You Zionist scumbags are the "terrorists", not the Christians and Muslims of the Holy Land who are simply defending themselves against a brutal Jewish Zionist occupation and racist regime.

Phukk off, you nasty little Islamist wanker... you're a perfect creature to further inflame and incite anti-Palestinian passions...

So keep it up, my little Islamo-Nazi princess...

 

[TruthNotBS]

You were tasked with cutting and pasting a map of the Ottoman Empire. There was no geographic area recognized as Pal’istan.

The Ottomans recognized the Holy Land as being Palestine. It's in their literature as I showed and like I said, your attempt to dehumanize and dispossess the Christians and Muslims of the Holy Land through your game of semantics is pathetic and silly. Laughable. Genocidal, racist Zionist scumbags like you are going to be defeated.