Zone1 What is free speech ?

[The Duke]

How is that different in the states.? Do you allow folk to make death threats or arson threats ? Or do the authorities step in at some point ?

We can't be prosecuted much for online shit talk. Like I can they probably may end up having to white phosphorous mortar motherfuckin' muslims if it gets real bad. Launch the 8th Crusade!
You can't say that. They'll come arrest you. I say Brits better armor and arm up, because they have a real problem, and the government is not going to solve it. They're going to have to do it themselves, or perish, and they probably should think about fixing that government factor that failed them, while they're at it.

 

[Lisa558]

Do you have a link to what Walz actually said ?

Here: he clearly says hate speech and “misinformation” should not be considered free speech.

The devil is: He wants the government to decide what is and what is not misinformation. Same as state-controlled media by North Korea.

VP Candidate Tim Walz on "There's No Guarantee to Free Speech on Misinformation or Hate Speech, and Especially Around Our Democracy"

Robby Soave at Reason writes about this 2022 quote from Walz (MSNBC): https://youtu.be/y8ns76RCmWs : … I want to talk about what you just mentioned

reason.com

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Here: he clearly says hate speech and “misinformation” should not be considered free speech.

The devil is: He wants the government to decide what is and what is not misinformation. Same as state-controlled media by North Korea.

VP Candidate Tim Walz on "There's No Guarantee to Free Speech on Misinformation or Hate Speech, and Especially Around Our Democracy"

Robby Soave at Reason writes about this 2022 quote from Walz (MSNBC): https://youtu.be/y8ns76RCmWs : … I want to talk about what you just mentioned

reason.com

Well he is right.We recently had far right riots based on misinformation and hate speech.

They claimed that the killer was a refugee who came over on a boat and was known to the police or his terrorist leanings. They even gave a name. None of it was true. None of it.
That should be traced back and the culprit punished.
Dont you agree with that ?
I understand the point you make about govt but it only protects bad actors.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We can't be prosecuted much for online shit talk. Like I can they probably may end up having to white phosphorous mortar motherfuckin' muslims if it gets real bad. Launch the 8th Crusade!
You can't say that. They'll come arrest you. I say Brits better armor and arm up, because they have a real problem, and the government is not going to solve it. They're going to have to do it themselves, or perish, and they probably should think about fixing that government factor that failed them, while they're at it.

I doubt that you have broken any UK laws. You are just projecting. Who is to say what will happen in future.
But your comments are slightly nutty so would not carry any weight.

 

[The Duke]

I doubt that you have broken any UK laws. You are just projecting. Who is to say what will happen in future.
But your comments are slightly nutty so would not carry any weight.

Nobody in the UK could post what I did without getting a knock on their door.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nobody in the UK could post what I did without getting a knock on their door.

We can't be prosecuted much for online shit talk. Like I can they probably may end up having to white phosphorous mortar motherfuckin' muslims if it gets real bad. Launch the 8th Crusade!
You can't say that. They'll come arrest you. I say Brits better armor and arm up, because they have a real problem, and the government is not going to solve it. They're going to have to do it themselves, or perish, and they probably should think about fixing that government factor that failed them, while they're at it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nobody in the UK could post what I did without getting a knock on their door.

Well I am the most reported man in the UK. I am still waiting for my first knocl on the door. Ive reported your post so I will possibly be picked up soon.
You sont understand the UK and you struggle with free speech.

 

[Stryder50]

I doubt that you have broken any UK laws. You are just projecting. Who is to say what will happen in future.
But your comments are slightly nutty so would not carry any weight.

Pot to kettle ...

 

[Stryder50]

Welcome to the Liz Truss school of free speech: you can criticise anyone – except her | Gaby Hinsliff

Those defending the right to be offensive want a safe space for themselves while shutting down dissenting voices, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff

www.theguardian.com

This article argues that the siren calls come from extremists who want to make some noise.
I can agree with a lot of that.
But my own definition is better.
Someone wanting to whistleblow on a matter of public concern. Not someone who just wants to vent their prejudice.
Lies are not protected.
IE lying about spomeons sexuality to attack sexual minorities
lying about race or religion to attack racial minorities
lying about anything basically
ie - Vance fucks furniture. his wife looks hot. She should get his attention.

Lies arent campaign promises that you dont carry out.
IE Trumps wall. He obviously wanted it but couldnt get it done. Happens all the time like Obamas healthcare.

Lies are labelling a pic in London as a pic of Sheffield
Or reporting a riot when you are sat on your arse 1000 miles away.

The current political scene is based on lies and too many people make a good living out of just lying.

That isnt free speech. That is just the law of the jungle.

Truth and lies are subjective, relative to whom is perceiving.

In my experience, about 90% of what YOU post are lies and disinformation.
In this OP you show that you'd say the same of me, but want laws,, crimes, and punishment for those who disagree with you or don't speak the party doublespeak.

You would endorse one form of prejudice and outlaw it's opposite.

 

[Stryder50]

Here: he clearly says hate speech and “misinformation” should not be considered free speech.

The devil is: He wants the government to decide what is and what is not misinformation. Same as state-controlled media by North Korea.

VP Candidate Tim Walz on "There's No Guarantee to Free Speech on Misinformation or Hate Speech, and Especially Around Our Democracy"

Robby Soave at Reason writes about this 2022 quote from Walz (MSNBC): https://youtu.be/y8ns76RCmWs : … I want to talk about what you just mentioned

reason.com

Yet he wants to make the subjective and relative judgement of which and what is, or isn't.
As far as I'm concerned, about 50%+ of what this putz says is hate speech and disinformation.

 

[Stryder50]

After all that neg repping that is all you have to offer ?

It's a start.
And a concise message.
It's also "free speech".

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yet he wants to make the subjective and relative judgement of which and what is, or isn't.
As far as I;m concerned, about 50%+ f what this putz says is hate speech and disinformation.

I give real examples of misinformation. They are not subjective.
Naming someone. False name.
Giving his background. Made up
This is not opinion . Its just lies and it is dangerous.

 

[Stryder50]

this shit is delusional. our constitution is not a death pact which allows enemies to radicalize a gullible population.

are we talking about how best to counter it? of course. we don't wait for orders from the koch brother or the kremlin.

"freedom is slavery" orwell

You counter such by presenting your own, likely biased and prejudiced, counter message.

"freedom is slavery" is from a fictional novel, "1984 " which you should read and try to understand. It's a form of doublespeak, presented by the tyrannical State that seeks to control thought and speech.

Basic what the OP here starting this thread is suggesting, wants to see.

"Your truths are all lies! Only my truths are true and real."

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It's a start.
And a concise message.
It's also "free speech".

Its lies. You claim 90% of my posts are hate speech. That is just a made up figure. You cant back it up with evidence.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You counter such by presenting your own, likely biased and prejudiced, counter message.

"freedom is slavery" is from a fictional novel, "1984 " which you should read and try to understand. It's a form of doublespeak, presented by the tyrannical State that seeks to control thought and speech.

Basic what the OP here starting this thread is suggesting, wants to see.

"Your truths are all lies! Only my truths are true and real."

Orwell was a great socialist.

 

[Lisa558]

Yet he wants to make the subjective and relative judgement of which and what is, or isn't.
As far as I;m concerned, about 50%+ f what this putz says is hate speech and disinformation.

Lord save us from Obama’s next “America transformation team.” Government control will be out of sight: what we can charge for our own property…..what opinions we are allowed to express…..what jobs will be kept away from you because they are slated for DEI people….

And yes, Wulz is spewing hate speech and disinformation regularly.

 

[Stryder50]

I give real examples of misinformation. They are not subjective.
Naming someone. False name.
Giving his background. Made up
This is not opinion . Its just lies and it is dangerous.

"misinformation" by your standards, may not be by others'.
"lies" are only dangerous if some one believes them and acts upon them.

Actions are crimes to be dealt with, but speech is not.

Didn't your mamma ever teach you;
"Sticks and stones can break my bones;
But words can never hurt me. "
???

 

[Stryder50]

Orwell was a great socialist.

Orwell was a great example of a socialist.
But Orwell wasn't "great".

Oh no!
I just said "hate speech."

 

[Blackrook]

The British are "subjects" of the crown who bow to a king.

They are not free like Americans.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

"misinformation" by your standards, may not be by others'.
"lies" are only dangerous if some one believes them and acts upon them.

Actions are crimes to be dealt with, but speech is not.

Didn't your mamma ever teach you;
"Sticks and stones can break my bones;
But words can never hurt me. "
???

Its dangerous. Keyboard warriors have real life consequences. For people living in riot areas..
You cant seperate words from actions.