What is an "ice age?"

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The "warmers" have been busy revising history to fit their pathetic excuse of a theory into history. It ain't workin'...

We have all the data today right in front of us to understand "ice ages" and their parameters on Earth.

What is an "ice age?"

To the warmers, it is a time where everything just freezes because of minor trace atmospheric gas fluctuations. Ice sheets come and go because of this...

Laughable.

What does the DATA of TODAY suggest?

1. ice ages are continent specific - why? because ice that gets pushed over ocean water will respond to wind, current and seasonal temperature change stress and BREAK OFF in the form of ICEBERGS. That is why 97% of Earth ice is on the two land masses closest to an Earth pole - because ice ages DO NOT FREEZE OCEANS FULL OF SALT WATER - duh....

2. ice ages start when tectonics moves land to within 600 miles or so of an Earth pole. As land gets closer to the pole, winters get longer and colder, and summers shorter. Eventually, as what happened on NW moving Greenland about a million years ago, is that the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during the summer. Then next year's snow STACKS ON TOP OF LAST YEAR's. That is the start of your ice age, that STACKING. All Greenland and Antarctica do is STACK ICE in the form of an annual ice core and respond to forces, mostly gravity.

3. ice ages end when land moves away from the pole .... 'cause it gets warmer then... duh


THE DATA

1. 97% of Earth ice on two continent specific ice ages of today - Antarctica 90% and Greenland 7%
2. Greenland's ice age is extremely young, under a million years old
3. the discrepancy between the Arctic and the Antarctic (50F colder, puts 9 times ice into oceans etc.) defines the parameters of Earth climate change - two polar oceans = Earth has NO ICE
4. one million years ago, the North American Ice Age had glaciers down through Indiana, while Greenland was a forest. Hence, with CO2 constant, Greenland froze while North America thawed, proving ice ages are continent specific and CO2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change


Where the "experts" are wrong.

1. Antarctica had much more ice millions of years ago because the southern part of South America was glaciated then

reality - Antarctica and South America broke off from Pangea 125 million years ago attached, and only recently (20-50 million years ago) separated. While Antarctica and South America were attached, Antarctica went into ice age, and that ice age glacier pushed into South America over LAND. South America is now moving NW tectonically, and the southern tip has long since moved out of "ice age" territory. The oceans never froze down there, and do not freeze now despite enormous continuing growth of ice on Antarctica, which now by itself dwarfs what was on both Antarctica and South America when the separation occurred.

2. ice ages come and go quickly -

reality - laughable. Ice cores are printed annually. If an ice age glacier has 500k years of ice cores, then it is older than 12k years....

While "moving at a glacial pace" is faster than plate tectonics, it is still a lot slower than the Tippys want us to believe (ie FEAR).

3. ice ages change the planet's temperature

Correct, but that's the driver, the ice age, not the temperature. Ice formation pushes down temperature. The more ice Earth has, both acreage and volume, the colder Earth gets. If you switched Antarctica and an equal amount of ocean space in the center of the Pacific, sea level would rise, and Earth would be warmer. Co2 has nothing to do with it

4. CO2 causes climate change

There is precisely no evidence of this - none in the ice cores, and none in the highly correlated raw data from satellites and balloons


Earth climate change is 95% plus about WHERE LAND IS
 
Depends. An ice age is a glacial episode where everything is frozen where it doesnt normally occur. For example if Texas stayed frozen with glaciers for twenty years that would be called an ice age in Texas.
 
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For example if Texas stayed frozen with glaciers for twenty years that would be called an ice age in Texas.


What I'm trying to explain is that, to get Texas to freeze under ice age glacier, you'd need to move Texas closer to an Earth pole... 'cause it ain't happening where it is now.
 
For example if Texas stayed frozen with glaciers for twenty years that would be called an ice age in Texas.


What I'm trying to explain is that, to get Texas to freeze under ice age glacier, you'd need to move Texas closer to an Earth pole... 'cause it ain't happening where it is now.
Not true. The climate could change and freeze not only Texas but the entire North american land mass. It has happened before.
 
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Warmer strategy"

1. censor... questions like why does the Antarctic Circle have 9 times the ice of the other
2. cherry pick, fudge, and fraud
3. attack the "truthers" mercilessly
 
The "warmers" have been busy revising history to fit their pathetic excuse of a theory into history. It ain't workin'...

We have all the data today right in front of us to understand "ice ages" and their parameters on Earth.

What is an "ice age?"

To the warmers, it is a time where everything just freezes because of minor trace atmospheric gas fluctuations. Ice sheets come and go because of this...

Laughable.

What does the DATA of TODAY suggest?

1. ice ages are continent specific - why? because ice that gets pushed over ocean water will respond to wind, current and seasonal temperature change stress and BREAK OFF in the form of ICEBERGS. That is why 97% of Earth ice is on the two land masses closest to an Earth pole - because ice ages DO NOT FREEZE OCEANS FULL OF SALT WATER - duh....

2. ice ages start when tectonics moves land to within 600 miles or so of an Earth pole. As land gets closer to the pole, winters get longer and colder, and summers shorter. Eventually, as what happened on NW moving Greenland about a million years ago, is that the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during the summer. Then next year's snow STACKS ON TOP OF LAST YEAR's. That is the start of your ice age, that STACKING. All Greenland and Antarctica do is STACK ICE in the form of an annual ice core and respond to forces, mostly gravity.

3. ice ages end when land moves away from the pole .... 'cause it gets warmer then... duh


THE DATA

1. 97% of Earth ice on two continent specific ice ages of today - Antarctica 90% and Greenland 7%
2. Greenland's ice age is extremely young, under a million years old
3. the discrepancy between the Arctic and the Antarctic (50F colder, puts 9 times ice into oceans etc.) defines the parameters of Earth climate change - two polar oceans = Earth has NO ICE
4. one million years ago, the North American Ice Age had glaciers down through Indiana, while Greenland was a forest. Hence, with CO2 constant, Greenland froze while North America thawed, proving ice ages are continent specific and CO2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change


Where the "experts" are wrong.

1. Antarctica had much more ice millions of years ago because the southern part of South America was glaciated then

reality - Antarctica and South America broke off from Pangea 125 million years ago attached, and only recently (20-50 million years ago) separated. While Antarctica and South America were attached, Antarctica went into ice age, and that ice age glacier pushed into South America over LAND. South America is now moving NW tectonically, and the southern tip has long since moved out of "ice age" territory. The oceans never froze down there, and do not freeze now despite enormous continuing growth of ice on Antarctica, which now by itself dwarfs what was on both Antarctica and South America when the separation occurred.

2. ice ages come and go quickly -

reality - laughable. Ice cores are printed annually. If an ice age glacier has 500k years of ice cores, then it is older than 12k years....

While "moving at a glacial pace" is faster than plate tectonics, it is still a lot slower than the Tippys want us to believe (ie FEAR).

3. ice ages change the planet's temperature

Correct, but that's the driver, the ice age, not the temperature. Ice formation pushes down temperature. The more ice Earth has, both acreage and volume, the colder Earth gets. If you switched Antarctica and an equal amount of ocean space in the center of the Pacific, sea level would rise, and Earth would be warmer. Co2 has nothing to do with it

4. CO2 causes climate change

There is precisely no evidence of this - none in the ice cores, and none in the highly correlated raw data from satellites and balloons


Earth climate change is 95% plus about WHERE LAND IS


Why are you so stuck on tectonics?

It is one of the main reasons it happens. But not what you think...it's when continents arrange them selfs to block passage of warm water from the equator to the poles.
 
tectonics fully explains THE DATA

Nothing else does.

Greenland froze in the past million years despite clear water lanes for Equator water to rush up to the North Pole. Currents can affect local climate, but really do not change planetary climate - only ice ages and "acts of God" do.
 
LaDumbkopf totally knows everything, and those people that have spent decades studying glaciers and polar areas just don't know a thing. LOL

Ever hear of Milankovic Cycles, Dumbkopf? How about the Permian when there was land at both poles and was one of the warmest periods in geological history.
 
I get it now. You're one of those illiterate deniers.


Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other?

Calling someone illiterate?

When you cannot answer that question, check the mirror for the PARROT who cannot think...
 
Ever hear of Milankovic Cycles, Dumbkopf? How about the Permian when there was land at both poles and was one of the warmest periods in geological history.


LOL!!!

Document that - land on both poles...
 
I get it now. You're one of those illiterate deniers.


Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other?

Calling someone illiterate?

When you cannot answer that question, check the mirror for the PARROT who cannot think...
Thats a dumb question. Its because of the environment stupid. The Antarctic is surrounded by mostly oceans so there is lots of moisture and snow which forms more ice than the Arctic which is surrounded by land.

Yes you are illiterate. Did you really think that was a hard question? :laugh:
 
The Antarctic is surrounded by mostly oceans so there is lots of moisture and snow which forms more ice than the Arctic which is surrounded by land.


LMFAO!!!!

Hint - 90% of Earth ice on landmass Antarctica
7% of Earth ice on landmass Greenland


Now try again....
 
tectonics fully explains THE DATA

Nothing else does.

No. Your theory is demonstrably stupid, as has been explained to you over and over. However, you'll ignore the data and keep pushing your loopy fraud, because such open fudging is all you're capable of.

I pointed out that Greenland is part of the North American plate, and moves with North America, therefore it's retarded to claim Greenland moves independently.

I pointed out that in the last million years, the North American plate has drifted 100 miles to the WSW, having essentially no effect on climate.

Rather than address that, you ignored it.

This will be where you scream insults and run away, like you always do.

Please proceed.
 
Ever hear of Milankovic Cycles, Dumbkopf? How about the Permian when there was land at both poles and was one of the warmest periods in geological history.


LOL!!!

Document that - land on both poles...
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Another warm period, immediatly following the PT extinction.
 
Dang....do I get a kick out of watching how much this new forum member Ledexter has caused significant angst and mental meltdowns amongst the AGW alarmist regulars in here.........I mean, some real head explosion events going on if you are watching closely.:2up:

Why?

Because the alarmists are getting pwned on substance...........they hate that.:coffee:
 
LaDumbkopf hardly causes angst. But he does put such stupid and baseless lies out there that they must be shown for what they are.

Ice ages are pretty well understood now. Milankovic Cycles, the flucuation of CO2 levels that creates, the evidence for these has been well established. The role of CO2 as a GHG has long been understood by physicists. Only the politically driven deny this. And the predictions of the scientists concerning what would happen as we increased the GHG levels, are becoming evident in the weather we are seeing on a decadel level.
 

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