What if we aren't taking this as seriously as we should?

[bendog]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

I'll be shocked, shocked I tell ya, if there isn't a showing of direct information sharing from Russia to Trump's campaign. And I won't be shocked if there's witness accounts and even documents tying Trump personally to it. And there cannot be any actual doubt that Russia actively helped Trump, and there's some % of chance that without it, Hillary would be potus.

However, Trump's dislike of Nato and free trade is nothing new. He shares more in common in terms of democratic ideals with Putin than with the founding fathers. He's had 50 years in the public eye to demonstrate that, and he has.

America will survive Trump. Whether he permanently injures or relations with other democracies, or whether the Russia Empire will swallow more parts of eastern Europe .... dunno.

He's probably right on trade with Jina, although his and Ivanka's commercial dealings with Jina are conveniently undisturbed by his trade policy.

And Jina is playing Kim, but Kim's self interest precludes a unilateral attack on anyone.

 

[Crepitus]

Barak Obama ADMITTED He:

- Was sired by an Anti-Colonialist who wanted to see the US eliminated as a World Power and World influence
-- During college he connected with his father and changed his name to honor him

- Was tutored for years by Communist Frank Marshall Davis

- Studied Socialist Saul Alensky & quoted him during his Inauguration

- Was Mentored for decades by a racist, hate-spewing, anti-American

- Was friends with an un-apologetic domestic terrorists

Did liberals take all of this too lightly?


During his Presidency - over 8 years - Obama:
- Financed, supplied, supported, aided, abetted, armed, trained, protected, defended, and even dragged the US into Un-Constitutional, unapproved wars to help terrorists - to include Al Qaeda who slaughtered 3,000 Americans - take over their own country.

- In our war with terrorists rendered critical captured classified evidence / information we had obtained USELESS by broadcasting it to the world

- Aided terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, violent gangs, violent criminal illegals, and enemies to this country

- Violated both Constitution and Law

- Abandoned / sacrificed Americans to die at the hands of terrorists, illegally spied o Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators / USSC JUSTICES, GOP candidates, and a US President....Used a weaponized IRS against Americans who legally opposed his re-election

He did more harm to this country than any outside threat.

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

'frad not.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

I have never dared to appoint a specific date of the beginning of that, but that is exactly what I have been saying ever since he started his campaigns.

True thing.

And yet in this hellhole, the russian trolls will do their best to laugh your proposition out of the front page as quick as possible.

 

[easyt65]

Barak Obama ADMITTED He:

- Was sired by an Anti-Colonialist who wanted to see the US eliminated as a World Power and World influence
-- During college he connected with his father and changed his name to honor him

- Was tutored for years by Communist Frank Marshall Davis

- Studied Socialist Saul Alensky & quoted him during his Inauguration

- Was Mentored for decades by a racist, hate-spewing, anti-American

- Was friends with an un-apologetic domestic terrorists

Did liberals take all of this too lightly?


During his Presidency - over 8 years - Obama:
- Financed, supplied, supported, aided, abetted, armed, trained, protected, defended, and even dragged the US into Un-Constitutional, unapproved wars to help terrorists - to include Al Qaeda who slaughtered 3,000 Americans - take over their own country.

- In our war with terrorists rendered critical captured classified evidence / information we had obtained USELESS by broadcasting it to the world

- Aided terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, violent gangs, violent criminal illegals, and enemies to this country

- Violated both Constitution and Law

- Abandoned / sacrificed Americans to die at the hands of terrorists, illegally spied o Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators / USSC JUSTICES, GOP candidates, and a US President....Used a weaponized IRS against Americans who legally opposed his re-election

He did more harm to this country than any outside threat.

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

'frad not.

Yeah, your 'frad not' but you have no evidence to back up your uneducated opinion.

 

[nat4900]

Sounds verbatim about what Hillary will be charged with for hiring the Brit fake "dossier" to get dirt from Russians on Trump.....Thanks....dumbass

Well, dumb fuck......of Hillary and the orange clown, WHO the hell is sitting in the oval office right now??

So, go after Hillary all you want....resurrect "lock her up".......and then ALSO go after the idiot-in-chief.......Otherwise you'd be a hypocrite, don't you think HornyTom?

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

Yep - a troll to laugh the facts out of sight.

 

[Crepitus]

Then there would be no need for a Trump Tower meeting, eh comrade?

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

.

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

So they say. Remember that they also said the meeting didn't happen, that it was about adoption, that certain people who were there weren't, that tRump senior had nothing to do with the response, and various other things that turned out not to be true.

So why should we believe them when they have already lied about it repeatedly?

 

[Care4all]

Then there would be no need for a Trump Tower meeting, eh comrade?

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

.

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

attempted rape or rape....both are crimes

attempted robbery or robbery....are both crimes

attempted kidnapping and kidnapping .... are both crimes

granted, the latter, in each of the above is worse, but BOTH are crimes.

Fascinating!

What does any of that have to do with a Russian lawyer conning Trump Jr. into a 15 minute meeting?

if you think it was simply a con, or one time con....then sure....

here's a clue...

It wasn't.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This makes the same amount of sense that explaining that the illuminati are controlling the world does. It makes the same reasoned arguments as are made to prove the British royal family are reptilian aliens.

 

[Crepitus]

Barak Obama ADMITTED He:

- Was sired by an Anti-Colonialist who wanted to see the US eliminated as a World Power and World influence
-- During college he connected with his father and changed his name to honor him

- Was tutored for years by Communist Frank Marshall Davis

- Studied Socialist Saul Alensky & quoted him during his Inauguration

- Was Mentored for decades by a racist, hate-spewing, anti-American

- Was friends with an un-apologetic domestic terrorists

Did liberals take all of this too lightly?


During his Presidency - over 8 years - Obama:
- Financed, supplied, supported, aided, abetted, armed, trained, protected, defended, and even dragged the US into Un-Constitutional, unapproved wars to help terrorists - to include Al Qaeda who slaughtered 3,000 Americans - take over their own country.

- In our war with terrorists rendered critical captured classified evidence / information we had obtained USELESS by broadcasting it to the world

- Aided terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, violent gangs, violent criminal illegals, and enemies to this country

- Violated both Constitution and Law

- Abandoned / sacrificed Americans to die at the hands of terrorists, illegally spied o Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators / USSC JUSTICES, GOP candidates, and a US President....Used a weaponized IRS against Americans who legally opposed his re-election

He did more harm to this country than any outside threat.

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

'frad not.

Yeah, your 'frad not' but you have no evidence to back up your uneducated opinion.

How am I supposed to present evidence that something made up never really happened?

 

[easyt65]

Well, dumb fuck......of Hillary and the orange clown, WHO the hell is sitting in the oval office right now??

Funny you call President trump an orange CLOWN.....

Former FBI Director Comey declared to the world that Hillary was too stupid to be President...because she broke THOUANDS of laws and had no clue she was doing it.

Hillary compromised national security, committed Obstruction, violated Election and Campaign finance laws, Perjury, Conspiracy, Sedition, Treason...colluded with and paid foreign spies / Russians, was protected by a criminal ex-administration, ran the worst campaign ever, and still could not win her party's nomination and failed to win the WH AFTER the nomination was GIVEN to her.

Afterwards she wrote a vengeful, hateful book, called 'This is Who I blame For Losing' in which she blamed everyone from the Russians to the Democrats to the FBI to Obama and even 'stupid, weak Democrats / women'...everyone except herself.

The only thing she was successful in doing was staying out of prison, and even with that she could not do it herself. She had to be GIVEN that, too.

 

[Crepitus]

Well, dumb fuck......of Hillary and the orange clown, WHO the hell is sitting in the oval office right now??

Funny you call President trump an orange CLOWN.....

Former FBI Director Comey declared to the world that Hillary was too stupid to be President...because she broke THOUANDS of laws and had no clue she was doing it.

Hillary compromised national security, committed Obstruction, violated Election and Campaign finance laws, Perjury, Conspiracy, Sedition, Treason...colluded with and paid foreign spies / Russians, was protected by a criminal ex-administration, ran the worst campaign ever, and still could not win her party's nomination and failed to win the WH AFTER the nomination was GIVEN to her.

Afterwards she wrote a vengeful, hateful book, called 'This is Who I blame For Losing' in which she blamed everyone from the Russians to the Democrats to the FBI to Obama and even 'stupid, weak Democrats / women'...everyone except herself.

The only thing she was successful in doing was staying out of prison, and even with that she could not do it herself. She had to be GIVEN that, too.

"But...but...but... Hilary!"

Lmao!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then there would be no need for a Trump Tower meeting, eh comrade?

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

.

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

attempted rape or rape....both are crimes

attempted robbery or robbery....are both crimes

attempted kidnapping and kidnapping .... are both crimes

granted, the latter, in each of the above is worse, but BOTH are crimes.

Fascinating!

What does any of that have to do with a Russian lawyer conning Trump Jr. into a 15 minute meeting?

if you think it was simply a con, or one time con....then sure....

here's a clue...

It wasn't.

So, Trump never promised to lift sanctions for info he never got and sanctions he never lifted.

 

[easyt65]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

Yep - a troll to laugh the facts out of sight.

After 2 years Libs/snowflakes have proven they have no facts / evidence to post / show. They avoid the only evidence that exists because that evidence can send them to jail.

One fact of life remains:
Cockroaches avoid the light.

Barry promised 'the most transparent administration evuh' and delivered the most secretive, criminally FOIA/FRA NON-Compliant administration in US history.

Both Rosenstein and Mueller continue to BREAK THE LAW through OBSTRUCTION - to hide in the shadows behind the already debunked BS claim of 'due to national security'.



Cockroaches avoid the light.

 

[BookShaka]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Would you prefer they read it and then dismiss it? This is conspiracy theory nonsense, not that I’m surprised you’re taking it seriously...

 

[Crepitus]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Would you prefer they read it and then dismiss it? This is conspiracy theory nonsense, not that I’m surprised you’re taking it seriously...

Nothing conspiracy theory-ish about it. It is a list of facts and a few questions. This means you didn't read it either.

 

[easyt65]

Then there would be no need for a Trump Tower meeting, eh comrade?

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

.

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

attempted rape or rape....both are crimes

attempted robbery or robbery....are both crimes

attempted kidnapping and kidnapping .... are both crimes

granted, the latter, in each of the above is worse, but BOTH are crimes.

Fascinating!

What does any of that have to do with a Russian lawyer conning Trump Jr. into a 15 minute meeting?

if you think it was simply a con, or one time con....then sure....

here's a clue...

It wasn't.

And you would know that HOW, comrade?

Please post the evidence and cite the exact laws broken by this meeting having taken place and based on what happened in the meeting.

Snowflakes love to squeal, 'Trump did this' and 'Trump did that' but always leave out the fact that no law was broken....

 

[Thinker101]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Yup, you may be right, some of us just seem to pause when you idiots post a "what if" link to anything....dumbass.

 

[BookShaka]

Sorry excuse to cover Mueller's nothingness and let him continue forever.

"Comforting" words to those soon-to-be-convicts, correct, you fucking moron???........LOL

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And yet none of those indictments and guilty pleas are for Trump... if Mueller had a smoking gun against Trump he wouldn’t continue the investigation but keep telling yourself whatever you need to to stay drowning in delusion as you medicate yourself with propaganda. If the Republicans launched a Pizzagate investigation it would look a lot like the Dem’s Russia collusion investigation.

 

[BookShaka]

Barak Obama ADMITTED He:

- Was sired by an Anti-Colonialist who wanted to see the US eliminated as a World Power and World influence
-- During college he connected with his father and changed his name to honor him

- Was tutored for years by Communist Frank Marshall Davis

- Studied Socialist Saul Alensky & quoted him during his Inauguration

- Was Mentored for decades by a racist, hate-spewing, anti-American

- Was friends with an un-apologetic domestic terrorists

Did liberals take all of this too lightly?


During his Presidency - over 8 years - Obama:
- Financed, supplied, supported, aided, abetted, armed, trained, protected, defended, and even dragged the US into Un-Constitutional, unapproved wars to help terrorists - to include Al Qaeda who slaughtered 3,000 Americans - take over their own country.

- In our war with terrorists rendered critical captured classified evidence / information we had obtained USELESS by broadcasting it to the world

- Aided terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, violent gangs, violent criminal illegals, and enemies to this country

- Violated both Constitution and Law

- Abandoned / sacrificed Americans to die at the hands of terrorists, illegally spied o Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators / USSC JUSTICES, GOP candidates, and a US President....Used a weaponized IRS against Americans who legally opposed his re-election

He did more harm to this country than any outside threat.

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

Doesn’t matter. Crepitus loathes facts.