What have Ukrainians been fighting for since 2013?

Who are they? Tell me.
China, India, the whole Shanghai pact, Arabs, Latin America, many Africans and even some NATO members. Actually, there are the plenty of sober guys here, in the USA who really understand Russian security concerns and/or hate the European Nazies.
 
China, India, the whole Shanghai pact, Arabs, Latin America, many Africans and even some NATO members. Actually, there are the plenty of sober guys here, in the USA who really understand Russian security concerns and/or hate the European Nazies.

China, India and Brazil has voted in favor of a UN resolution to censure Russia for their attack on Ukraine. That's some support system Russia has got going for them, HAHAHAHAHA
 
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China, India and Brazil has voted in favor of a UN resolution to censure Russia for their attack on Ukraine. That's some support system Russia has got going for them, HAHAHAHAHA

You mean the same China, India and Brazil that didn't stop buying and selling a single dollar to Russia and in fact increased their trade relations with the country?

The same China, India and Brazil whose presidents/prime minister, Xi, Modi and Luis da Silva said again and again that the dispute must be solved through negotiations and not through the unconditional withdrawal of russian troops?

Are you referring to these China, India and Brazil?
 
Can someone explain why in France they do not honor the soldiers of the division "Charlemagne", do not put monuments to General Pétain?
After all, they too fought for Greater France, just as Bandera and SS Galicia fought for Greater Ukraine.
 
You mean the same China, India and Brazil that didn't stop buying and selling a single dollar to Russia and in fact increased their trade relations with the country?

The same China, India and Brazil whose presidents/prime minister, Xi, Modi and Luis da Silva said again and again that the dispute must be solved through negotiations and not through the unconditional withdrawal of russian troops?

Are you referring to these China, India and Brazil?

Silva has denounced Russia's attack on Ukraine. 🤷‍♂️ China does not supply weapons to Russia. They're too busy figuring out a way to take advantage of Russia at this point. India needs cheap oil to fight off inflation but also recently hosted a visit for Zelensky. 🤷‍♂️ If these are supporters of Russia who needs enemies?
 
It seems that the Ukrainians themselves don't know what they're fighting for, and whether they should fight at all.

CNN reported this week:​
Ukraine estimates that 200,000 of its soldiers are absent without official leave (AWOL), meaning they have left their positions without permission to do so, the country’s new Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov revealed on Wednesday.
Speaking in the Ukrainian Parliament ahead of the vote that confirmed him as the new defense chief, Fedorov also said some 2 million Ukrainians are «wanted» for avoiding military service…
Rumours of low morale and high desertion rates have been swirling around for a long time, but Fedorov’s comments mark the first time any Ukrainian official has disclosed the scale of the problem.​

In 2022, Ukraine's population was approximately 41 million. Men numbered approximately 20.5 million. Currently, according to the Ukrainian Minister of Defense, deserters and draft evaders total 2.2 million Ukrainians, or more than 10% of the total number of men in Ukraine at the start of the military operation.

According to President Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian army currently numbers approximately 1 million service members; however, this means there are more than two armies on the run 👍
 
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On the anniversary of the Ukrainian "revolution"

This month marks the 12th anniversary of what I believe to be one of the strangest events in history, the Ukrainian “revolution” of 2014.
Despite the dubious nature of the stated reasons for this "revolution" - these reasons will be discussed below - Western countries immediately supported the protest movement, the so-called "Euromaidan," even in violation of international law. See the photo above left of V. Nuland, a high-ranking American diplomat, distributing food to lawbreakers who had illegally set up a tent camp in the central square of the Ukrainian capital. However, such actions are expressly prohibited by Article 41 of the Vienna Convention relating to the Status of Diplomatic Personnel.

Feeling supported by the West, the opposition at a certain point began burning and killing; see the photo above right of protesters setting fire to the ruling party's office, which resulted in the death of the office's programmer.

And the beginning of the events that led to the “revolution,” that is, to the removal of the then-President V. Yanukovych from office, is associated in Ukraine and the West with the fact that V. Yanukovych had postponed the signing of the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU in November 2013; see below the quote from The Guardian:​
(On 24 November 2013), several hundred protesters rushed to the government headquarters demanding the government's resignation and that of the presidential administration. People threw smoke bombs and stones at police and shouted "Revolution!"… The police responded by deploying teargas.​

Since countries are constantly entering and leaving certain alliances (for example, the history of relations between France and NATO or the UK and the EU), no one would believe that some kind of “revolution” could start due to the delay in signing some association agreement.

Therefore, the thesis that massive corruption allegedly existed in Ukraine under President Viktor Yanukovych was subsequently vigorously promoted. Even Barack Obama later personally called him a "corrupt ruler".
And Ukraine's first post-Maidan Prosecutor General announced that V. Yanukovych had allegedly stolen over $100 billion from the state; see the quote below:​
Колишній президент України Віктор Янукович вкрав у держави понад 100 мільярдів доларів.
Про це заявив генеральний прокурор України Олег Махніцький у Лондоні на Форумі з повернення викрадених активів, передає 5 канал.
За його словами, частина цих коштів опинилася в європейських банках, частину - вивезли до Росії.
Щонайменше 32 мільярди - стверджує Махніцький - перевезли через кордон на початку року готівкою - у вантажівках.​
Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych had stolen more than $100 billion from the state.
This was stated by Ukrainian Prosecutor General Oleh Makhnitsky at the Forum on the Return of Stolen Assets in London, Channel 5 reports.
According to him, some of these funds had ended up in European banks, and some had been taken to Russia.
At least 32 billion, Makhnitsky claims, were transported across the border at the beginning of the year (2014) in cash – in trucks.


But despite such pretentious accusations against Viktor Yanukovych, there remains no final verdict confirming his embezzlement during his presidency. Only on January 20, 2026, a Ukrainian court did issue an in absentia verdict against Viktor Yanukovych for allegedly illegally acquiring a plot of land in 2007 (that is, before his election as president in 2010), but this verdict has not yet entered into force.

From the above it follows that there were no significant reasons for the Ukrainian "revolution" of 2014, but the subsequent surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine divided the country and served as one of the main reasons for the Russian military operation.

P.S.
Here is another thesis regarding Euromaidan.

The Maidanists decided that they could violate Ukrainian laws.
Despite a court order (see the beginning of this message), they set up a tent camp in the central square of Kyiv, then began to seize buildings, etc.

And why then didn't the residents of the East of what was then Ukraine, Gubarev, Zakharchenko, Klinchaev, Plotnitsky, etc. (many names have now been forgotten), subsequently have the right to separate Donbass from Ukraine on the basis of the UN-guaranteed right of nations to self-determination?

Post-Maidan Kyiv authorities claimed that this separation was a violation of Ukrainian law, but Euromaidan participants violated Ukrainian law too.

And regarding the thesis that among the Donbass militias there were Russian citizens, for example, “Motorola”, Strelkov, etc.

But among the Maidanists there were citizens not only of Ukraine.
Even among the dead, i.e. among the so-called “Heavenly Hundred,” were Zhiznevsky, a citizen of Belarus, Khurtia and Kipiani, citizens of Georgia.
And among the surviving Euromaidan participants, I believe there were many more foreigners, although their names were not made public. But the post-Maidan authorities were forced, whether they liked it or not, to reveal the citizenships of those killed.​
 
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