What has an illegal immigrant done to deprive you of something?

[Marion Morrison]

Illegals has threatened, harassed me, chased non Hispanics people of the neighborhood. Things we wouldn't tolerate from Anglos. But other than that, they are just spiffy. Why ask a question if you people are going to minimize, trivialize or ignore it?

So, tell us, Mary, just how did you know that they were illegal? Were they wet from crossing the Rio Grande? Perhaps you stopped running long enough for you to ask to see their birth certificates? Maybe they were wearing signs reading, "ILLEGAL ALIEN"? Did you ask to see their green cards? Did they tell you, "We don't need no stinkin' green cards!".

I'm guessing you're an illegal sympathizer, how quaint, like a taint.

 

[MaryL]

I am soo pissed off at illegal alien supporters and the self righteous enablers right now, YOU deal with THEM and LIVE with THEM and get back here to us a couple of years from now, let's see were all that liberal bullshit gets you.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I am soo pissed off at illegal alien supporters and the self righteous enablers right now, YOU deal with THEM and LIVE with THEM and get back here to us a couple of years from now, let's see were all that liberal bullshit gets you about racism and all that gets you.

They'll be nonexistent within 2 years. That's how it is. The writing is already on the wall

 

[Vandalshandle]

I am soo pissed off at illegal alien supporters and the self righteous enablers right now, YOU deal with THEM and LIVE with THEM and get back here to us a couple of years from now, let's see were all that liberal bullshit gets you.

Someone is cross, and needs a nap....

 

[usmbguest5318]

Wouldn't NEED to happen if the ESL programs had the goal to make kids FLUENT in English in a short time.

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a

Path not taken. Who knows what the true cost to society is. No one.

I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

 

[ding]

Wouldn't NEED to happen if the ESL programs had the goal to make kids FLUENT in English in a short time.

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a

Path not taken. Who knows what the true cost to society is. No one.

I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

I am afraid that what I am writing is going over your head. For all you know, if there were no illegal aliens wages would be 20% higher than they are? It is the path not taken. No one knows what the true impact is from illegal aliens.

 

[MaryL]

Really? Mexicans threaten me, bullets in my casa, And the federals bash down my house looking for some Mexican illegal ******* rapist thug? And this is the best you assholes can do? Relax? But we have to be all outraged about illegal aliens sweeps and deportation? Why is that, how should I care, again?

 

[usmbguest5318]

For me the answer is "not a damn thing." D.C. has a ton of immigrants from all over the world. So do the other places where I spend a fair amount of time. I've not lost a job to an illegal immigrant. None of them have come traipsing through the neighborhood. No lost benefits, no longer lines anywhere, and I don't see that my taxes have gone up so as I'd notice because of them.

Ask yourself:
What is the difference between somone seeing your front gate's "do not enter sign" and asking permission to come in the gate before opening and entering or someone seeing the sign and disobeying it and waltzing in without permission?
Then ask yourself why the disobedient one won't let you just come into his yard unnanounced without permission?

Now, ask yourself; what is the difference between someone ringing your doorbell and asking permission to come in your house compared to someone unexpectingly just opening your door or window and coming in unnanounced? What do you call an unannounced home invader?
Then ask yourself what is the difference
when the home invader steals your S.S. number, personal info, credit cards and Identity-is there a difference and what do you call the invader I.D. thief?
Then ask yourself: "Why won't this invader let me come in and out of their house anytime with their I.D.?"

Then ask yourself: why should the future people who ask permission to come through the front gate or ring your bell asking permission be punished or held from access to reach you all because of those who don't follow simple fair guidlines.

Now you were saying about what is the difference, well are you completely ignoring that you literally know this answer and practice it at home, business, and places you frequent? Get real.
*Folds arms like Run of RunDMC
*Drops the Verizon mic and walks away

Have you directly answered the title question? I did in my OP. I could ask myself all the questions you posed, and the answers to none of them would indicate that I have or have not by an illegal immigrant been deprived of anything.

Other people who've posted in this thread want to talk about the bigger picture of illegal immigration. Truly, I didn't create this thread expecting that I'd post past my OP, aside from saying, "TY for your reply," to people who directly answer the title question. All I wanted from this thread is members' direct answers to the title question I asked. That's it.

Y'all want to talk about immigration and not about your own experiences of having been deprived specifically of something, fine, but please just answer the title question. The people who did so aren't finding that I'm complaining about their discussing all manners of things, immigration-related or not. I didn't ask a difficult question to answer. It doesn't even make sense that people are unable/reticent to answer it.

I proved your question a lie, because you and others exemplify the answer, you just don't correlate the reality. You were thus proven in denial like you deny I didn't answer your question, when I did through your proof of the answer that you refuse to see is in your life every day.
I'm sorry if you didn't like the answer (the reality), but my bits of wisdom trump your propaganda that even you don't believe.
Your failed smokescreen did not change the fact=you do know the difference=therefore you lied as a premise to your OP.
You got caught lying and created this missguided response when clearly you should have admitted you were wrong and apologised, or done the typical tuck and roll and played dead.

I proved your question a lie

No. You did not. You just think you did. Perhaps you tried to so prove, but you did not. A non-rhetorical interrogative cannot lie because such sentences make no declaration.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wouldn't NEED to happen if the ESL programs had the goal to make kids FLUENT in English in a short time.

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a

Path not taken. Who knows what the true cost to society is. No one.

I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

Any EMPLOYER is SUPPOSED to know --- who is an illegal immigrant. Many welfare programs are supposed to know --- who is an illegal immigrant. The entire ICE, SSA, IRS, DHS, BATF, DEPTs are supposed to know -- who is an illegal immigrant.. What's the big mystery????

 

[Marion Morrison]

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a
I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

Any EMPLOYER is SUPPOSED to know --- who is an illegal immigrant. Many welfare programs are supposed to know --- who is an illegal immigrant. The entire ICE, SSA, IRS, DHS, BATF, DEPTs are supposed to know -- who is an illegal immigrant.. What's the big mystery????

How illegals continue to cut Americans out of jobs. It's really no mystery, Don't call out Fred and Thelma.

 

[rhodescholar]

This thread is ridiculous, over $100 BILLION spent PER YEAR on illegals, wages destroyed in multiple industries, overcrowded cities, resource depletion, heavy traffic, closed hospitals, schools without sufficient funds for basic supplies - and people are actually ******* asking if illegals are impacting their quality of life? How low is the average american's IQ to have to even ask this ludicrous question?

 

[usmbguest5318]

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a
I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

I am afraid that what I am writing is going over your head. ...For all you know, if there were no illegal aliens wages would be 20% higher than they are? It is the path not taken. No one knows what the true impact is from illegal aliens.

Look. I've been very clear about what I'd like to know from you. You've refrained from providing the information I've requested and I'm now bored with you. Don't bother answering now. I've decided you don't have enough decency to just directly answer the title question, so I no longer care to see your answer. You clearly have no respect for the fact that I wanted to see you answer and that I tried multiple times to elicit it from you. Thus, I don't care to have any further conversation with you. Period.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a
I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

I am afraid that what I am writing is going over your head. ...For all you know, if there were no illegal aliens wages would be 20% higher than they are? It is the path not taken. No one knows what the true impact is from illegal aliens.

Look. I've been very clear about what I'd like to know from you. You've refrained from providing the information I've requested and I'm now bored with you. Don't bother answering now. I've decided you don't have enough decency to just directly answer the title question, so I no longer care to see your answer. You clearly have no respect for the fact that I wanted to see you answer and that I tried multiple times to elicit it from you. Thus, I don't care to have any further conversation with you. Period.

Except for your being selectively obtuse, OK. And-? I see you're trying to hem and haw around what you've really been doing, why is that? Hmm?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Liar.

Your title asks the reader what an illegal has done to "deprive" them of something. Deprivation in this context is a form of harm. Thus the implication is there.

Well, if you think that, then tell us what specifically an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I don't care what an illegal immigrant has deprived you of; I just want you to tell me what it is. Was it:

• Your car?
• A job?
• A boyfriend/girlfriend or hook-up?
• Your virginity?
• Your wallet?
• The last donut at 7-11?
• A tulip bulb from your garden?
• A clean shot a deer you were hunting?
• Fifty cents in state taxes?
• $325.48 in wages?
• A book at the library?
• A hotel room?
• A table at a restaurant?
• The front car on your favorite roller coaster?

Whatever the **** it is, just tell me, please. I don't need you tell me about the general macro-level impacts of illegal immigration. I know where to obtain that information. I want to know of what an illegal immigrant has deprived you. It's either something you know an illegal immigrant deprived you of or there is nothing you know of and can identify that an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I just told you what it was. Go back and read the rest of the post you quoted carefully.

 

[MaryL]

All Mexicans do is bring negativity with them. I gave shelter to a Hispanic gal (didn't speak a lick of English) from her abusive boyfriend, sanctuary is what all good people do. Although we didn't understand each other lingualy, we understood THAT. It was obvious, she got away, I helped her. Race or even culture was NEVER a issue. Illegals are one thing, We are all human, It isn't a one size fits all excuse, either.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Liar.

Your title asks the reader what an illegal has done to "deprive" them of something. Deprivation in this context is a form of harm. Thus the implication is there.

Well, if you think that, then tell us what specifically an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I don't care what an illegal immigrant has deprived you of; I just want you to tell me what it is. Was it:

• Your car?
• A job?
• A boyfriend/girlfriend or hook-up?
• Your virginity?
• Your wallet?
• The last donut at 7-11?
• A tulip bulb from your garden?
• A clean shot a deer you were hunting?
• Fifty cents in state taxes?
• $325.48 in wages?
• A book at the library?
• A hotel room?
• A table at a restaurant?
• The front car on your favorite roller coaster?

Whatever the **** it is, just tell me, please. I don't need you tell me about the general macro-level impacts of illegal immigration. I know where to obtain that information. I want to know of what an illegal immigrant has deprived you. It's either something you know an illegal immigrant deprived you of or there is nothing you know of and can identify that an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I just told you what it was. Go back and read carefully.

I say disregard this asshat. His questions are of zero importance to my life, hopefully you share the same situation.

 

[ding]

I have to wonder whether that goal is even achievable. Look at how many presumably native speakers of English post on here are are not fluent with the language. I don't write that snidely. There are varying degrees of language proficiency, however, what people consider "fluency" (not a term evaluators use when conducting formal evaluations) is as follows:

• Able to take part effortlessly in any conversation, conveying finer shades of meaning precisely and with a good familiarity with idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms.

To illustrate my point, I point you to a post earlier in this thread in which a member construed the title question to this thread as meaning: "How are you affected by illegal immigration?" (post 192)

In post 234 of this thread, you'll see that another member thinks the primary aspect of clarification requested of him has to do with figure of speech.

Indeed, a
I agree it's the path I didn't pursue. I thus cannot say that I am impacted, which is why I did state I've not deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

It's also worth noting that I don't know that I've ever encountered an illegal immigrant. That too forces me to say I haven't been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

I for a day was an illegal immigrant for part of a day while I waited to get a visa renewal for an Asian country. That was my own fault, but I didn't include myself in considering the title question.

I don't mean it is a path you didn't pursue. I mean that you can't know what the cost is of illegal immigration because we will never know what it would have been without it.

****Errantly posted in reply to ding *******
Right. You've now said the same thing twice and I'm in this post for the second time agreeing with you. In my first response to you I didn't use the word "agree" with regard to the "what's not knowable isn't knowable" aspect of your remarks, instead merely amplifying your comment and expounding a bit on the underpinnings of my OP statements.

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Revised remarks for ding
I did not in my OP remark upon illegal immigration. I only answered the title question.

I'm sorry. I see now that you were talking about illegal immigration and my OP spoke only to whether I have been deprived of something by an illegal immigrant.

Yes, I am talking about the bigger picture.

By all means do discuss the bigger picture, but please directly answer the title question, which as you point out, is not about the bigger picture.

Perhaps you have directly answered the title question. I haven't yet checked to see if you have. If you have not yet done so, would you please do so.

How would I know? We don't not have illegal immigrants. You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

How would you know? I don't know how you would know. It appears from a few of the replies in this thread that some members know to tell. Perhaps they can share with you you how to discern who is and who is not an illegal immigrant.

If you don't know who, among the individuals who've deprived you of something, is an illegal immigrant, I would expect you to answer the title question by saying either "nothing" or "not that I know of," or something similar to one of those two statements.

You are trying to compare the way things are to the path not taken. It seems that you have an idealized view that things would have been the same. We don't know that to be the case.

I'm not trying to make any sort of comparison as goes the title question and direct answers to it. I'm a pretty articulate guy who would, were I trying to make a comparison, have no difficulty or uncertainty about doing so.

I am afraid that what I am writing is going over your head. ...For all you know, if there were no illegal aliens wages would be 20% higher than they are? It is the path not taken. No one knows what the true impact is from illegal aliens.

Look. I've been very clear about what I'd like to know from you. You've refrained from providing the information I've requested and I'm now bored with you. Don't bother answering now. I've decided you don't have enough decency to just directly answer the title question, so I no longer care to see your answer. You clearly have no respect for the fact that I wanted to see you answer and that I tried multiple times to elicit it from you. Thus, I don't care to have any further conversation with you. Period.

Good because I am getting tired of explaining it to you. You have constructed a logical fallacy strawman. Clearly illegal aliens have an impact on our country. What that impact is is hard to quantify because we don't know how things would be if they had never illegally entered this country. More than likely it would be a distribution of outcomes. You want to try to boil this down to some simplistic metric that you think proves your point. It doesn't work that way.

 

[HaShev]

No. You did not. You just think you did. Perhaps you tried to so prove, but you did not. A non-rhetorical interrogative cannot lie because such sentences make no declaration.

You lied again just to protect your OP which was the original lie.
You still never refuted my post so your smokescreens can be assumed the last word even though you adamantly want to top post your post proven a lie.

Let the readers decide (repost):
Ask yourself:
What is the difference between somone seeing your front gate's "do not enter sign" and asking permission to come in the gate before opening and entering or someone seeing the sign and disobeying it and waltzing in without permission?
Then ask yourself why the disobedient one won't let you just come into his yard unnanounced without permission?

Now, ask yourself; what is the difference between someone ringing your doorbell and asking permission to come in your house compared to someone unexpectingly just opening your door or window and coming in unnanounced? What do you call an unannounced home invader?
Then ask yourself what is the difference
when the home invader steals your S.S. number, personal info, credit cards and Identity-is there a difference and what do you call the invader I.D. thief?
Then ask yourself: "Why won't this invader let me come in and out of their house anytime with their I.D.?"

Then ask yourself: why should the future people who ask permission to come through the front gate or ring your bell asking permission be punished or held from access to reach you all because of those who don't follow simple fair guidlines.

Now you were saying about what is the difference, well are you completely ignoring that you literally know this answer and practice it at home, business, and places you frequent? Get real.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Liar.

Your title asks the reader what an illegal has done to "deprive" them of something. Deprivation in this context is a form of harm. Thus the implication is there.

Well, if you think that, then tell us what specifically an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I don't care what an illegal immigrant has deprived you of; I just want you to tell me what it is. Was it:

• Your car?
• A job?
• A boyfriend/girlfriend or hook-up?
• Your virginity?
• Your wallet?
• The last donut at 7-11?
• A tulip bulb from your garden?
• A clean shot a deer you were hunting?
• Fifty cents in state taxes?
• $325.48 in wages?
• A book at the library?
• A hotel room?
• A table at a restaurant?
• The front car on your favorite roller coaster?

Whatever the **** it is, just tell me, please. I don't need you tell me about the general macro-level impacts of illegal immigration. I know where to obtain that information. I want to know of what an illegal immigrant has deprived you. It's either something you know an illegal immigrant deprived you of or there is nothing you know of and can identify that an illegal immigrant has deprived you of.

I just told you what it was. Go back and read carefully.

I say disregard this asshat. His questions are of zero importance to my life, hopefully you share the same situation.

I have the same opinion and share the same situation.

Back to watching Dragonball for me.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Please. Liberals hate this and THAT. Liberals are haters all day long. They hate sexism and superstition or wherever.They presume they are above all that. I have seen their goofy ass neurotic rich white elitist selves. They don't know what they are defending until it comes down to reality. Then it's all tooth and fangs.

I've told people conservatives love flooding the market with cheap labor. It's why I hope trump really does run illegals out and stop taking in so many muslims

Let me see, Illegals have put bullets in my house frighten me with threats and made me afraid to walk or cycle outside my house in my own culture.In my own neighborhoodI have Mexican anchor babies shouting out to ME asking "What am I doing in THEIR neighborhood"? The one they just came to? Racism my ass. I am so tired of that crap. Illegal have hurt me, and then some.I want that recognized, illegals aren't the poor little victims liberals are making them out to be. Not at all.

Do you see us losing sleep when an illegal gets deported? Maybe on NPR but not in real life.

My guess is that the real people who want illegals are the employers who hire them. Those aren't liberals

I'm thinking you have this all a bit backward in grand Liberal fashion.
I'd bet there are a number of Righties hiring illegals who would probably fight to keep them around...such as small mom and pop construction companies, ranchers and the like but the number of these companies and owners are like a nat on an elephants ass when compared to the number of Liberals and others of recent illegal descent who would take a bullet in order to keep more illegals flooding in.

Bullshit. You listen to too much NPR.

I've heard trumps been deporting a lot lately. Do you see us starting threads crying about it?

This is another wedge issue they use to divide us. Like you all I care about is my family. That means I care about the American family. Not Europe, Canada Mexico. You need to realize we're on the same team and you're arguing with me even when I agree with you. Now that's a partisan

"My guess is that the real people who want illegals are the employers who hire them. Those aren't liberals"
I've have never once tuned in to NPR...haha
You implied that Conservatives want to keep illegals here more so than Liberals and that is simply not at all the truth. Not sure how you see that as an agreement?

Thom hartmann wrote a great article in the 2000s about how your party is divided. The racists vs the corporations.

Unions always complained about illegals.

The flood of illegals coming and staying was on Reagan's watch.

Tomorrow I'll post the article for you. Trust me corporations or business is behind illegals. Cheap labor. Good for business and good for consumers, remember McCain in 2008 said jobs Americans won't do. He forgot they were doing jobs we would do for a decent wage

The amnesty bill of 1986 was pushed by a Democratic congress.
In an attempt to work with congress Reagan made a bipartisan compromise and signed the bill granting amnesty to 3.5 million illegals.
This means nothing when considering today's social and economical structure. The GOP has always agreed that a system must be developed to insure that illegals are not provided the same benefits that legal citizens are and that a mechanism must be developed to ensure that all illegals enter this country through legal methods. In light of the new presidency and the Republican Party owning all of D.C. the GOP is steadfast more now than ever about sewing up the immigration issues.
Anyone with an iQ over 12 knows that illegals are the new beloved "baby" of the DNC. Democrats know Hispanics don't know how to shut down the baby making factory...they will over populate like no other race thus leading to more government dependency, more DNC support and more votes. Simple stuff here.