What Happens When You Tax Billionaires At 90%

horseshit, we have child labor laws, hour per week limitations, mandatory overtime pay, anti-discrimination laws. Unions today are nothing but a fund raiser for the far left (using your money which you are forced to pay)

How about negotiating for healthcare benefits since Right Wingers always vote against universal healthcare and practically everything else that serves the interests of the working class? You only serve and protect the interests of the wealthy elites? That's RICH, pun intended. Here is why we unionize today and should always unionize, under this capitalist system:

1. Collective Bargaining

The RICH do it, all of the time, with their Chambers of Commerce, super PACs, industry associations, guilds, armies of lobbyists legally bribing our politicians in the halls of government, "think tanks" (stink tanks), Front Organizations, NGOs, "Christian Business Men's" Dinners and Bible Studies
(Ever heard of the "Christian Working Men's Bible Study"? Nope..Because our churches are full of mammon worshiping Right Wingers who hate the poor and working-class. Church leadership loves those big monthly checks/tithes from the rich).
The interests of the capitalist elites and of their workers aren't necessarily the same. Even Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits this fact and also identifies what I just mentioned above about how the rich also collectively bargain with the government and other capitalists, to advance their financial interests, often at the expense of their workers and the public at large. Adam Smith wrote:

EMPHASIS MINE/COMMENTARY

What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen (workmen = employees) desire to get as much, and the masters (capitalists = masters) give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor. (the capitalist master also forms his own unions, to advance his interests, in order to lower wages, among other expenses at the cost of workers). It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute (Adam Smith admits that the capitalist master has the advantage in the dispute or negotiation), and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily (It's easier for the capitalist-masters to unionize or form organizations that advance their interests than it is for the employees); and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen (the conditions are more prohibitive for the employees to unionize vs capitalist maasters). (Wealth Of Nations by Adam Smith).

Point:

The financial interests of the master are not necessarily that of his or her employees. Why do you fail to recognize that and pretend that employees shouldn't unionize, when their capitalist bosses are unionizing to advance their financial interests, often at the expense of workers? Every single benefit that workers have today (including several of the ones that you mentioned) is due to workers fighting for it, through their unions. In order to keep those laws on the books. Workers need to unionize, and form their own organizations, just as their capitalist masters do.


EXAMPLE:

For instance, five workers might feel that a certain new safety measure should be implemented in their factory, but those few workers might have limited power to get the company to install that new air filter on their CNC machine.



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If the entire workforce is made aware of the need for the new measure, due to the poor air quality in the machine shop, and bands together to pressure the company to install the new air filter, there is a much greater chance that the company will comply. Labor unions band workers together, allowing the voices of individual workers to be heard and possibly made into a goal of the union. Unionized workers typically elect representatives to bring concerns to the union’s attention. Collective Bargaining makes sure changes that can negatively affect workers, are negotiated rather than imposed from the top.

If the capitalist bosses, disregard the bad air quality in the machine shop, imposing those conditions from the top on their workers, the workers will have the leverage (power) through their collective effort (their labor union), to resolve the issue in favor of the workers, who stand to suffer from the excessive oil and gas in the air, emitted by that CNC machine.

I'm a CNC programmer, I know how those CNC machines emit really nasty toxic gas and oil into the air. I've worked in factories where the owners don't care if the filters haven't been changed in two or three years. They should be changed every three months.




2. Higher Wages

Workers who are members of labor unions in the United States make 18% more than their nonunion counterparts, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ annual report on union membership, published today.


The report shows the median weekly earnings of full-time and salary workers who were union members in 2022 were $1,216, compared with $1,029 for nonunion workers. That’s nearly $10,000 more per year.




Union workers are also more likely to enjoy consistent pay raises on a regular basis. With a non-union job, the employer can set the new wage rate (including lower rates), without any formal bargaining process or input from the employees.

I don't even have to continue, giving you more reasons why labor unions are in the best interest of workers, and why they have the right to unionize. What I already mentioned above is more than enough. If the RICH MASTERS, can unionize, so can the workers. You have no problem, when the rich and powerful say things like " HEY BUDDY, I'M NOT RUNNING A CHARITY HERE. THIS IS A BUSINESS, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS FOR ME TO MAKE MONEY, NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A JOB. I DO WHAT IS IN MY BEST INTEREST, BECAUSE I AM THE CREATOR AND OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS, SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RULINGS, YOU CAN GO TO HELLLLL"...

You love the tyranny of the workplace. You bend over backward, to defend the masters, at the expense of their employees. Are you sure you're a born-again, spirit-filled Christian? Because you Right-Wing Republicans who claim to be the disciples of Jesus Christ (the salt and light of the Earth), don't think or behave like Jesus and His apostles. You behave more like mammon worshiping devils who despise the poor and the working class. Yes indeed, there are socioeconomic classes in our society and if you deny that, you're delusional. Even Adam Smith admits that throughout his book Wealth Of Nations. Economic classes are real, according to the father of capitalism, that's one of the reasons he identifies capitalists as "masters". You love seeing working-class people under their human, worldly masters don't you? You love that, because you're the champions of "freedom and liberty". Tyranny in the workplace gives you goosebumps, you love it.

Jas 2:1-10 My brethren hold not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (2) For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing; (3) and ye have regard to him that weareth the fine clothing, and say, Sit thou here in a good place; and ye say to the poor man, Stand thou there, or sit under my footstool; (4) do ye not make distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? (5) Hearken, my beloved brethren; did not God choose them that are poor as to the world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he promised to them that love him? (6) But ye have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you, and themselves drag you before the judgment-seats? (7) Do not they blaspheme the honorable name by which ye are called? (8) Howbeit if ye fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: (9) but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. (10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.
 

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How about negotiating for healthcare benefits since Right Wingers always vote against universal healthcare and practically everything else that serves the interests of the working class? You only serve and protect the interests of the wealthy elites? That's RICH, pun intended. Here is why we unionize today and should always unionize, under this capitalist system:

1. Collective Bargaining

The RICH do it, all of the time, with their Chambers of Commerce, super PACs, industry associations, guilds, armies of lobbyists legally bribing our politicians in the halls of government, "think tanks" (stink tanks), Front Organizations, NGOs, "Christian Business Men's" Dinners and Bible Studies
(Ever heard of the "Christian Working Men's Bible Study"? Nope..Because our churches are full of mammon worshiping Right Wingers who hate the poor and working-class. Church leadership loves those big monthly checks/tithes from the rich).
The interests of the capitalist elites and of their workers aren't necessarily the same. Even Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits this fact and also identifies what I just mentioned above about how the rich also collectively bargain with the government and other capitalists, to advance their financial interests, often at the expense of their workers and the public at large. Adam Smith wrote:

EMPHASIS MINE/COMMENTARY

What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen (workmen = employees) desire to get as much, and the masters (capitalists = masters) give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor. (the capitalist master also forms his own unions, to advance his interests, in order to lower wages, among other expenses at the cost of workers). It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute (Adam Smith admits that the capitalist master has the advantage in the dispute or negotiation), and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily (It's easier for the capitalist-masters to unionize or form organizations that advance their interests than it is for the employees); and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen (the conditions are more prohibitive for the employees to unionize vs capitalist maasters). (Wealth Of Nations by Adam Smith).

Point:

The financial interests of the master are not necessarily that of his or her employees. Why do you fail to recognize that and pretend that employees shouldn't unionize, when their capitalist bosses are unionizing to advance their financial interests, often at the expense of workers? Every single benefit that workers have today (including several of the ones that you mentioned) is due to workers fighting for it, through their unions. In order to keep those laws on the books. Workers need to unionize, and form their own organizations, just as their capitalist masters do.


EXAMPLE:

For instance, five workers might feel that a certain new safety measure should be implemented in their factory, but those few workers might have limited power to get the company to install that new air filter on their CNC machine.



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If the entire workforce is made aware of the need for the new measure, due to the poor air quality in the machine shop, and bands together to pressure the company to install the new air filter, there is a much greater chance that the company will comply. Labor unions band workers together, allowing the voices of individual workers to be heard and possibly made into a goal of the union. Unionized workers typically elect representatives to bring concerns to the union’s attention. Collective Bargaining makes sure changes that can negatively affect workers, are negotiated rather than imposed from the top.

If the capitalist bosses, disregard the bad air quality in the machine shop, imposing those conditions from the top on their workers, the workers will have the leverage (power) through their collective effort (their labor union), to resolve the issue in favor of the workers, who stand to suffer from the excessive oil and gas in the air, emitted by that CNC machine.

I'm a CNC programmer, I know how those CNC machines emit really nasty toxic gas and oil into the air. I've worked in factories where the owners don't care if the filters haven't been changed in two or three years. They should be changed every three months.




2. Higher Wages

Workers who are members of labor unions in the United States make 18% more than their nonunion counterparts, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ annual report on union membership, published today.


The report shows the median weekly earnings of full-time and salary workers who were union members in 2022 were $1,216, compared with $1,029 for nonunion workers. That’s nearly $10,000 more per year.




Union workers are also more likely to enjoy consistent pay raises on a regular basis. With a non-union job, the employer can set the new wage rate (including lower rates), without any formal bargaining process or input from the employees.

I don't even have to continue, giving you more reasons why labor unions are in the best interest of workers, and why they have the right to unionize. What I already mentioned above is more than enough. If the RICH MASTERS, can unionize, so can the workers. You have no problem, when the rich and powerful say things like " HEY BUDDY, I'M NOT RUNNING A CHARITY HERE. THIS IS A BUSINESS, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS FOR ME TO MAKE MONEY, NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A JOB. I DO WHAT IS IN MY BEST INTEREST, BECAUSE I AM THE CREATOR AND OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS, SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY RULINGS, YOU CAN GO TO HELLLLL"...

You love the tyranny of the workplace. You bend over backward, to defend the masters, at the expense of their employees. Are you sure you're a born-again, spirit-filled Christian? Because you Right-Wing Republicans who claim to be the disciples of Jesus Christ (the salt and light of the Earth), don't think or behave like Jesus and His apostles. You behave more like mammon worshiping devils who despise the poor and the working class. Yes indeed, there are socioeconomic classes in our society and if you deny that, you're delusional. Even Adam Smith admits that throughout his book Wealth Of Nations. Economic classes are real, according to the father of capitalism, that's one of the reasons he identifies capitalists as "masters". You love seeing working-class people under their human, worldly masters don't you? You love that, because you're the champions of "freedom and liberty". Tyranny in the workplace gives you goosebumps, you love it.

Jas 2:1-10 My brethren hold not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (2) For if there come into your synagogue a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, and there come in also a poor man in vile clothing; (3) and ye have regard to him that weareth the fine clothing, and say, Sit thou here in a good place; and ye say to the poor man, Stand thou there, or sit under my footstool; (4) do ye not make distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? (5) Hearken, my beloved brethren; did not God choose them that are poor as to the world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he promised to them that love him? (6) But ye have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you, and themselves drag you before the judgment-seats? (7) Do not they blaspheme the honorable name by which ye are called? (8) Howbeit if ye fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: (9) but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. (10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.
How about you paying your bills and I pay mine and we leave the government out of it?

How about not forcing somebody to join a greedy union like they do in the non right to work states?

How about understanding that the Bible says charity should come from the Heart, Church and Family and not the government?

How about being for individual liberty and not destructive collectivism?
 
We've seen that government run healthcare sucks.

You have the worst death rate from Covid in the first world, by far. With 3% of the worlds population, you had 15% of the worlds deaths.

You are the only first world nation where life expectancy is declining and has been since four years prior to the pandemic.

Tell us again about your great healthcare system.
 
How about being for individual liberty and not destructive collectivism?

The USA has the lowest rate of personal freedoms in the first world. You are so far down the list of being “the home of the brave and land of the free”, that you don’t even make the top 20.

There are 367 million of you fuckers, and if you don’t start having a little consideration for your friends and neighbors, you’re all going down the toilet together.
 
You have the worst death rate from Covid in the first world, by far. With 3% of the worlds population, you had 15% of the worlds deaths.

You are the only first world nation where life expectancy is declining and has been since four years prior to the pandemic.

Tell us again about your great healthcare system.

If you believe all the Covid stats, you're dumber than you look.
 
We've seen that government run healthcare sucks.

Does Medicare suck? My VA doesn't suck. The only reason I have United Healthcare, and often use it, rather than the VA, is because it does take two weeks longer at the VA for me to see a specialist, HOWEVER..Whenever I've had an emergency, the VA has been there for me and has done a great job treating me. I was in a training accident when I was in the Army thirty years ago, that damaged the ascending aorta above my heart and consequently the aortic valve, so I had to get all of that replaced. I decided to get my surgery at the VA, and it saved me a lot of problems with my private insurance that was always denying me coverage for treatments and tests that I needed, before my surgery. The VA is even more "government-controlled" than Medicare. I love my VA. Love it.

Why can't the American people have Medicare for all? Every member of Congress has healthcare, FOREVER. If you are a member of Congress, you have healthcare, and you will have healthcare FOREVER. You, Republican Right-Wingers, are out of your minds. You're WRONG WINGERS, not Right-Wingers. I'm pro-life, and I'm for everything you are for as far as social issues, but when it comes to economics and caring for working-class people, you're Satanic. You're just as demonic as the Democrats.

You're complaining about the Democrats being a bunch of baby killers and sexual perverts, yet you're just as bad as them, when you abuse the poor and workers because you're also making poor babies and their parents suffer, unnecessarily. People are dying because of your mammon worshiping. You're just as bad as the Democrats. Do you think Jesus loves the way you treat the poor and working class?
 
This country was at its best during Trump's term, low unemployment, low inflation, no new wars, secure borders, lower taxes, companies expanding in the USA, companies moving back to the USA, secure currency, opened dialog with North Korea and kept Iran in check. Best president in my lifetime and I have been around a long time. But he talks mean like all new yorkers, so ya gotta hate him, you fricken idiot.
NO, the country became it's worst due to Trump. But let's check your list.

Low unemployment--Uh, it is even lower under Biden
Low inflation--well Du Huh, with everyone holed up in the house, businesses closing their doors, and a FED pushing the discount rate to zero, and at one point, even negative, that should come as no surprise and had nothing to do with Trump
No new wars--that one is funny. Turned Afghanistan over to the Taliban, gave the order to kill women and children in Iraq, and vetoed every single bill attempting to curtail the war in Yemen.
Secure borders--delusional, illegal immigration INCREASED under Trump. No wall and Mexico didn't pay for shit. You been conned.
Lower taxes--yep, that greatly expanded the deficit. Increased rent seeking and reduced capital investment. Not a good thing.
Companies expanding and moving back to the US. Uh, I am going to need some documentation on that one hoss.
Open dialog with North Korea--well yeah, Trump being Kim Jong-un's fanboy.
Iran in check--horseshit, Trump is the one that pulled out of the Iran accords and that is what pushed Iran to enrich uranium at higher levels. I mean it was like North Korea all over again.
Secure currency--what the hell does that even mean? Are you attempting to claim our currency is not secure now?

Nope, Trump left this country more divided than at any point since the Civil War. And when you get right down to it, the one job of the president is to bring the country together. What made Winston Churchill so great? What about Ronald Reagan? John Kennedy? Abraham Lincoln? Hell, even Bush Jr.? Was it their skill at pitting their countrymen against each other? Their skill at parsing polls and demonizing the opposition?

And I will be honest, Joe Biden is failing at that task as well. But I lay the responsibility for that square in Trump's court, he pretty much left office and took a big shit on the entire country by failing to gracefully accept his defeat. Hell, it had ramifications worldwide, look at Brazil. Hell, who am I kidding, you couldn't find Brazil on a damn map if your life depended on it.

It is going to take a very special person to undo the damage Trump has done. It ain't Joe Biden. It certainly isn't Kamela Harris. It ain't Ron DeSantis, Nicky Haley, or Tim Scott. And I will make a bold prediction here and now. If the 2024 presidential election is between Biden and Trump neither one of them is going to win. Pat McCrory will win. Wright it on the wall.
 
NO, the country became it's worst due to Trump. But let's check your list.

Low unemployment--Uh, it is even lower under Biden
Low inflation--well Du Huh, with everyone holed up in the house, businesses closing their doors, and a FED pushing the discount rate to zero, and at one point, even negative, that should come as no surprise and had nothing to do with Trump
No new wars--that one is funny. Turned Afghanistan over to the Taliban, gave the order to kill women and children in Iraq, and vetoed every single bill attempting to curtail the war in Yemen.
Secure borders--delusional, illegal immigration INCREASED under Trump. No wall and Mexico didn't pay for shit. You been conned.
Lower taxes--yep, that greatly expanded the deficit. Increased rent seeking and reduced capital investment. Not a good thing.
Companies expanding and moving back to the US. Uh, I am going to need some documentation on that one hoss.
Open dialog with North Korea--well yeah, Trump being Kim Jong-un's fanboy.
Iran in check--horseshit, Trump is the one that pulled out of the Iran accords and that is what pushed Iran to enrich uranium at higher levels. I mean it was like North Korea all over again.
Secure currency--what the hell does that even mean? Are you attempting to claim our currency is not secure now?

Nope, Trump left this country more divided than at any point since the Civil War. And when you get right down to it, the one job of the president is to bring the country together. What made Winston Churchill so great? What about Ronald Reagan? John Kennedy? Abraham Lincoln? Hell, even Bush Jr.? Was it their skill at pitting their countrymen against each other? Their skill at parsing polls and demonizing the opposition?

And I will be honest, Joe Biden is failing at that task as well. But I lay the responsibility for that square in Trump's court, he pretty much left office and took a big shit on the entire country by failing to gracefully accept his defeat. Hell, it had ramifications worldwide, look at Brazil. Hell, who am I kidding, you couldn't find Brazil on a damn map if your life depended on it.

It is going to take a very special person to undo the damage Trump has done. It ain't Joe Biden. It certainly isn't Kamela Harris. It ain't Ron DeSantis, Nicky Haley, or Tim Scott. And I will make a bold prediction here and now. If the 2024 presidential election is between Biden and Trump neither one of them is going to win. Pat McCrory will win. Right it on the wall.

Mostly low-paying jobs both under Trump and Biden. Nothing spectacular. The cost of living is still through the roof, and the price of medications and healthcare is also incredibly expensive. A carton of insulin for my nephew costs my brother $280. In Niagra Falls Canada, a few miles away from where he lives in Buffalo, the EXACT same carton of insulin costs $23.00. Americans are paying ten times what Canadians are paying and it's illegal for my brother to cross the border into Canada and buy his 12-year-old son his insulin. When is this going to change? Well don't count on my fellow Christians, they'll tell you it's good to pay the rich more money because it helps the US economy or some other nonsense like that.

THE "TRICKLE DOWN" THAT DOESN'T TRICKLE

Judgment will fall upon the Church first.
 
How can we make our healthcare system better?

"I know, give the government total control over it"

Shut up you stupid Canadian bitch!!!
You are a little unhinged today, what is wrong.

Every industrialized nation in the world has some form of government healthcare. They have learned that health care is not something that should be controlled by the "free market" because, let's get real here, health care is not a "commodity" that can be trusted to a "free market".

In contract law there is an expression, it is called "Equal Consideration". That does not exist in health care. Take this pill or DIE--what kind of "equal consideration" is present? Hell, in the end, it is about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Health care equals life. And I just double checked, no where in the Declaration of Independence does it say you have to pay for those "inalienable" rights.
 
Mostly low-paying jobs both under Trump and Biden. Nothing spectacular. The cost of living is still through the roof, and the price of medications and healthcare is also incredibly expensive. A carton of insulin for my nephew costs my brother $280. In Niagra Falls Canada, a few miles away from where he lives in Buffalo, the EXACT same carton of insulin costs $23.00. Americans are paying ten times what Canadians are paying and it's illegal for my brother to cross the border into Canada and buy his 12-year-old son his insulin. When is this going to change? Well don't count on my fellow Christians, they'll tell you it's good to pay the rich more money because it helps the US economy or some other nonsense like that.

THE "TRICKLE DOWN" THAT DOESN'T TRICKLE

Judgment will fall upon the Church first.
It might be illegal for your brother to cross the border to buy that insulin but tell him to do it anyway, that law is never enforced. Mom has been getting mail order prescriptions from Canada for twenty years.
 
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You are a little unhinged today, what is wrong.

Every industrialized nation in the world has some form of government healthcare. They have learned that health care is not something that should be controlled by the "free market" because, let's get real here, health care is not a "commodity" that can be trusted to a "free market".

In contract law there is an expression, it is called "Equal Consideration". That does not exist in health care. Take this pill or DIE--what kind of "equal consideration" is present? Hell, in the end, it is about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Health care equals life. And I just double checked, no where in the Declaration of Independence does it say you have to pay for those "inalienable" rights.
Amen. But my fellow conservative Christian brethren are asleep at the wheel and they really don't care. They serve and worship mammon now, rather than God.
 
You are a little unhinged today, what is wrong.

Every industrialized nation in the world has some form of government healthcare. They have learned that health care is not something that should be controlled by the "free market" because, let's get real here, health care is not a "commodity" that can be trusted to a "free market".

In contract law there is an expression, it is called "Equal Consideration". That does not exist in health care. Take this pill or DIE--what kind of "equal consideration" is present? Hell, in the end, it is about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Health care equals life. And I just double checked, no where in the Declaration of Independence does it say you have to pay for those "inalienable" rights.

health care is not a "commodity" that can be trusted to a "free market".

We've all seen every case where things are better when they're trusted to a government.
There's umm....wait....what about....umm....err. LOL!
 
You have the worst death rate from Covid in the first world, by far. With 3% of the worlds population, you had 15% of the worlds deaths.

You are the only first world nation where life expectancy is declining and has been since four years prior to the pandemic.

Tell us again about your great healthcare system.
Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Ask Canadians and Brits why they travel to the US if they have serious medical issues. Socialized medicine has never worked for the common people and never will.

The covid deaths were caused by two things: 1. an overreaction to make big pharma and its stock holders very rich 2. inaccurate "cause of death" counts to bring more government money to the hospitals. The whole thing was a Chinese hoax designed to save their economy, destroy ours, and keep Trump from a second term when he would have exposed the whole thing.
 

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