What happens when there is no 'Gun Grab'??

[aaronleland]

I purchased a steak tonight at Lynn's in Houston.. I guess I was robbed?

Let's say Lynn's spread word that the government was planning on banning steaks in the near future. You stock up on steaks out of fear that there won't be any available soon, only to find out it was nothing more than a ploy to sell more steaks. You weren't robbed, you were duped.

 

[Ernie S.]

Online sales are shipped to an agent, usually a gun shop local to the purchaser that holds a FFL. the transaction is processed like a normal in house sale with the agent responsible for the state and federal background check.

And it's my experience that the background check is no where near instantaneous. My last gun purchase, I filled out a 4 or 5 page form which was electronically submitted. About 45 minutes later, the sales person called and spoke with someone, gave some transaction # and got the OK to complete the sale. Total time expended, just under 1 hour.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Of course, many buyers know there is no ‘gun grab’ coming; it’s just a lame excuse to give the significant other as to where the kids’ college money went.

 

[Article 15]

"Gun grab" is a an emotional phrase that effectively gets the gun nuts fearful that someone is actually going to take their personal guns but even if new restrictions or regulations are put in place....or if certain guns are banned there is never going to be a "gun grab". That's pure nonsense. Even with new regulations, restrictions, bans, etc the gov't is not going to force you to turn over a firearm you purchased legally. To say otherwise you are either an easily manipulated moron or someone looking to manipulate morons.

 

[bripat9643]

If it doesn't happen, I figure we've won the battle for now.

Would you complain about having to fill out an extra form or a small tax on ammo that goes more efficient tracking of criminal gun trafficking?

Would I complain about the government forcing people to register their guns? Of course. That's the first step on the road to confiscation. What guarantee is there that after everyone is registered that some left-wing crank organization like Media Matters won't demand the names and addresses of everyone who owns a gun?

 

[Article 15]

If it doesn't happen, I figure we've won the battle for now.

Would you complain about having to fill out an extra form or a small tax on ammo that goes more efficient tracking of criminal gun trafficking?

Would I complain about the government forcing people to register their guns? Of course. That's the first step on the road to confiscation. What guarantee is there that after everyone is registered that some left-wing crank organization like Media Matters won't demand the names and addresses of everyone who owns a gun?

^easily manipulated moron and a pathological liar

 

[earlycuyler]

What happen's when there is no 'Gun Grab'??

A year from now, when every law-abiding citizen who owns gun still owns his gun, still purchases ammunition from the same dealer in the same manner, still goes target shooting or hunting with his son, still feels safe with the gun he purchased for self-defense, what happens then??

What happens a year from now when the majority of gun owners still have their carry permits, their concealed weapon permits, or other state and local permits for firearms?

What will the NRA claim then? "It's all-part of Obama's double secret Gun Grab agenda to take place after he leaves office."

What will the paranoid freaks and nutters listening to Drudge, Limbaugh, or Jones say then?... when NO legal guns have been 'grabbed'.

What will be your hyperbolically insane talking point then, when no 'Gun Grab' happens? Will you feel disappointed or let down because the black man didn't try for your guns? Will you feel cheated that there was no civil war, no race riot, no conflict at all between the federal government and law-abiding gun owners?

What happens when congress passes no 'gun grab' legislation, just a bill that promotes a respectful exchange of information between mental health professional and law enforcement?? --a method that does not stigmatize the patient, but keeps potentially dangerous patients safe from harming themselves or others by notifying law enforcement when a serious diagnosis is made?

What happens when the AFT is tasked with working with local law enforcement to better track guns moving from legal ownership to illegal possession? What happens when the focus is on criminals who purchase firearms for the sole purpose of moving them up I-95 and selling specifically on the black market? -- No Gun Grab, just a more focused effort at curbing illegal gun trafficking. (you read about it in the papers, but no one ever comes to your house because you follow the law)

What happens when your neighbor who has a criminal record is arrested for domestic violence and the Sheriff takes all firearms out of his house? Is that a "Gun Grab"!!?? But wait, he wasn't supposed to have them in the first place... hmmm. Still a gun grab??

What happens when the AFT and FBI update their NICS reporting procedures and systems to better facilitate prompt and accurate reporting from the states?? What happens when you're not on this list because you're a law-abiding gun owner and no one ever comes to your house to take your guns??

What happens when your at a gun show and your favorite dealer asks you to fill out a new form or show him your state carry permit (which assumes you've already been cleared). Minutes after filling out the form, you purchase anything you want? What happens then? Will you scream "infringement" after you get to purchase exactly what you came to purchase?

What happens when your daughter gets a restraining order against her ex-husband and the Sheriff is able to quickly check records via a new and improved computer system and see that her ex owns 2 more handguns than he claims and an assault riffle--purchased in another state.... When the Sheriff takes his guns away, will you scream Gun Grab!! -- Not your gun or your daughter's gun, the ex-husband?? Will you ***** about a tiny tax on ammunition to pay for the new computer system that flagged your daughters ex-husband as having purchased guns out of state??

And, oh God no... what if, what if you wanted to sell your AR-15, and in order to do so, you had to ask to see the buyer's state carry permit (or some documentation that he had been cleared by NICS) AND, God forbid, you also had to fill out a transfer of ownership form similar to a pink slip that shows the AR-15 no longer belongs to you???!!! Filling out the form takes 1 minute 46 seconds of your time. He pays you for the AR-15 and leaves. But you'll never get that extra 2 minutes back. Will you scream Infringement of my rights!!!??

What happens when a schizophrenic goes off his meds and attempts to purchase 3000 rounds on the internet, thus setting off a red flag preventing the purchase from going through and notifying local law enforcement and a social worker to pay him a visit? They talk him into entering an inpatient program and getting back on his meds and he never carries out the plan to massacre the shopping mall where your wife and children shop. Your life doesn't change one bit. You enjoy next Christmas with your family while a mentally ill man gets the help he needs.

What happens when laws on the books are enforced in a more intelligent and thoughtful manner, curbing the flow of weapons to the cities?

What happens when your worst fears are not realized? What happens when your erection of paranoia goes flaccid?

What happens when you can't remember where you buried all the extra ammo your bought after Obama was re-elected?

The next big ting

 

[OKTexas]

Ok, now say exactly what kind of systems that would have to be put in place to allow all those things to occur. I dare ya.

**Updated software, better coordination of data. Computers can talk to each other, information can be checked in much the same way the Credit Agencies do. Recent addresses, phone numbers, Soc Sec. #.

**County court criminal convictions can be automatically updated to the master NICS database in case the felon leaves the state and tries to purchase a gun.

**Better communication between social workers, law enforcement, mental health professionals.

**Why shouldn't the NICS list be linked to NCIC and allow local law enforcement instant access?

**When a court issues a restraining order, the individual should be given the opportunity to surrender any firearms. Before he leaves the courtroom, the sheriff should run his name though NICS to see if he's undergone a background check with in the last year.

**Merchants at trade shows can run a credit card with an iPhone, why shouldn't background checks be just as easy?

Re: Mental Health -- a system needs to be put in place that protects patient privacy while notifying NICS and local authorities in cases of schizophrenia, manic-dression, and major depression (because of the suicide risk). People with garden variety minor depression or anxiety need not be flagged unless they express suicidal thoughts--then it should be up to the therapists discretion.

Re: Pharmaceutical records for prescriptions for treatment of major mental illness and mood disorder--we need to weigh the persons right to privacy with the legitimate public safety interest. We don't want to scare people off from filling their prescriptions, but this would be an easy way to flag high-risk patients.

NICS should hold on to all background cleared check applications for 3 years.

Re: Online sales, there is no excuse for not doing NICS background checks. These would happen faster than human speed.

A more coordinated effort at identifying the typical path of a gun from legal to illegal. How are criminals that traffic guns across state lines for the sole purpose of selling on the street operating?

Like I said, once you are cleared by NICS, you should be given a document with your photo on it that allows you to bypass the background check for 360 days.

**how about tax incentives for gun dealers that keep sales records which may help police in an investigation.

**how about federal funds to states that follow a version of the California or New York regulations model.

First, if you buy a gun or a receiver over the internet, current federal law requires it to be shipped to a licensed dealer who can't make delivery without the NICS check. Other parts can be delivered directly.

Second, where does due process fall in the schemes to intervene in the cases of people being treated medically for these suspect conditions?

Third, what is you don't understand that the federal government is broke, we are borrowing 42% of everything we're spending, so where is all this money going to come from. And don't tell me it will come from people exercising their 2nd amendment rights, unless you are willing to accept a poll tax to pay for elections.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Hazel already whining because the ULTRA Marxtist left couldn't usurp the US Constitution and disarm Americans. That's right.. Even your King knows he can't do it.. Mmm, the smell of liberty prevails.. How sweet it is!

 

[Mr. H.]

I think Obama has too much lead in his system.

All those years of organizing downtrodden communities.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What happen's when there is no 'Gun Grab'??

A year from now, when every law-abiding citizen who owns gun still owns his gun, still purchases ammunition from the same dealer in the same manner, still goes target shooting or hunting with his son, still feels safe with the gun he purchased for self-defense, what happens then??

What happens a year from now when the majority of gun owners still have their carry permits, their concealed weapon permits, or other state and local permits for firearms?

What will the NRA claim then? "It's all-part of Obama's double secret Gun Grab agenda to take place after he leaves office."

What will the paranoid freaks and nutters listening to Drudge, Limbaugh, or Jones say then?... when NO legal guns have been 'grabbed'.

What will be your hyperbolically insane talking point then, when no 'Gun Grab' happens? Will you feel disappointed or let down because the black man didn't try for your guns? Will you feel cheated that there was no civil war, no race riot, no conflict at all between the federal government and law-abiding gun owners?

What happens when congress passes no 'gun grab' legislation, just a bill that promotes a respectful exchange of information between mental health professional and law enforcement?? --a method that does not stigmatize the patient, but keeps potentially dangerous patients safe from harming themselves or others by notifying law enforcement when a serious diagnosis is made?

What happens when the AFT is tasked with working with local law enforcement to better track guns moving from legal ownership to illegal possession? What happens when the focus is on criminals who purchase firearms for the sole purpose of moving them up I-95 and selling specifically on the black market? -- No Gun Grab, just a more focused effort at curbing illegal gun trafficking. (you read about it in the papers, but no one ever comes to your house because you follow the law)

What happens when your neighbor who has a criminal record is arrested for domestic violence and the Sheriff takes all firearms out of his house? Is that a "Gun Grab"!!?? But wait, he wasn't supposed to have them in the first place... hmmm. Still a gun grab??

What happens when the AFT and FBI update their NICS reporting procedures and systems to better facilitate prompt and accurate reporting from the states?? What happens when you're not on this list because you're a law-abiding gun owner and no one ever comes to your house to take your guns??

What happens when your at a gun show and your favorite dealer asks you to fill out a new form or show him your state carry permit (which assumes you've already been cleared). Minutes after filling out the form, you purchase anything you want? What happens then? Will you scream "infringement" after you get to purchase exactly what you came to purchase?

What happens when your daughter gets a restraining order against her ex-husband and the Sheriff is able to quickly check records via a new and improved computer system and see that her ex owns 2 more handguns than he claims and an assault riffle--purchased in another state.... When the Sheriff takes his guns away, will you scream Gun Grab!! -- Not your gun or your daughter's gun, the ex-husband?? Will you ***** about a tiny tax on ammunition to pay for the new computer system that flagged your daughters ex-husband as having purchased guns out of state??

And, oh God no... what if, what if you wanted to sell your AR-15, and in order to do so, you had to ask to see the buyer's state carry permit (or some documentation that he had been cleared by NICS) AND, God forbid, you also had to fill out a transfer of ownership form similar to a pink slip that shows the AR-15 no longer belongs to you???!!! Filling out the form takes 1 minute 46 seconds of your time. He pays you for the AR-15 and leaves. But you'll never get that extra 2 minutes back. Will you scream Infringement of my rights!!!??

What happens when a schizophrenic goes off his meds and attempts to purchase 3000 rounds on the internet, thus setting off a red flag preventing the purchase from going through and notifying local law enforcement and a social worker to pay him a visit? They talk him into entering an inpatient program and getting back on his meds and he never carries out the plan to massacre the shopping mall where your wife and children shop. Your life doesn't change one bit. You enjoy next Christmas with your family while a mentally ill man gets the help he needs.

What happens when laws on the books are enforced in a more intelligent and thoughtful manner, curbing the flow of weapons to the cities?

What happens when your worst fears are not realized? What happens when your erection of paranoia goes flaccid?

What happens when you can't remember where you buried all the extra ammo your bought after Obama was re-elected?

You don't even know what the laws are now. In another thread you made a list of demands and everyone of them is already federal law. How about before you make demands and go off half cocked, you actually learn what is and is not already the law.

As for enforcement.... for some reason career criminals are not prosecuted on gun charges all across this Country. In all spectrum of political leanings.

 

[hazlnut]

First, if you buy a gun or a receiver over the internet, current federal law requires it to be shipped to a licensed dealer who can't make delivery without the NICS check. Other parts can be delivered directly.

What about ammo?

And the NICS database is not accurate, but needs to be.

Also, what about flagging people like James Holmes who are stockpiling ammo. An FBI computer monitoring all internet sales could do this.

Second, where does due process fall in the schemes to intervene in the cases of people being treated medically for these suspect conditions?

A test case for any new law would determine if public safety trumps due process for schizophrenics. You're talking about a day in court for the patient. Look at it this way, police can enter a home without a warrant if they hear screaming. It's called exigent circumstances--a legal exception to the 4th.

Don't you think paranoid schizophrenic hearing voices is an exception to the 2nd and he should lose his right upon diagnosis.

Where is the due process for dishonorable discharges?

Third, what is you don't understand that the federal government is broke, we are borrowing 42% of everything we're spending, so where is all this money going to come from. And don't tell me it will come from people exercising their 2nd amendment rights, unless you are willing to accept a poll tax to pay for elections.

Tax on bullets.

So you're not willing to kick in a little extra for the sake of public safety?? This makes you and your family safer.

How ******* selfish and un-American!!

The more the gun cult opposes reasonable measures, the more they put their own gun to their head, figuratively.

Federal funding to states that move toward the Ca or NY model of gun reg**that's the ticket.

 

[hazlnut]

What happen's when there is no 'Gun Grab'??

A year from now, when every law-abiding citizen who owns gun still owns his gun, still purchases ammunition from the same dealer in the same manner, still goes target shooting or hunting with his son, still feels safe with the gun he purchased for self-defense, what happens then??

What happens a year from now when the majority of gun owners still have their carry permits, their concealed weapon permits, or other state and local permits for firearms?

What will the NRA claim then? "It's all-part of Obama's double secret Gun Grab agenda to take place after he leaves office."

What will the paranoid freaks and nutters listening to Drudge, Limbaugh, or Jones say then?... when NO legal guns have been 'grabbed'.

What will be your hyperbolically insane talking point then, when no 'Gun Grab' happens? Will you feel disappointed or let down because the black man didn't try for your guns? Will you feel cheated that there was no civil war, no race riot, no conflict at all between the federal government and law-abiding gun owners?

What happens when congress passes no 'gun grab' legislation, just a bill that promotes a respectful exchange of information between mental health professional and law enforcement?? --a method that does not stigmatize the patient, but keeps potentially dangerous patients safe from harming themselves or others by notifying law enforcement when a serious diagnosis is made?

What happens when the AFT is tasked with working with local law enforcement to better track guns moving from legal ownership to illegal possession? What happens when the focus is on criminals who purchase firearms for the sole purpose of moving them up I-95 and selling specifically on the black market? -- No Gun Grab, just a more focused effort at curbing illegal gun trafficking. (you read about it in the papers, but no one ever comes to your house because you follow the law)

What happens when your neighbor who has a criminal record is arrested for domestic violence and the Sheriff takes all firearms out of his house? Is that a "Gun Grab"!!?? But wait, he wasn't supposed to have them in the first place... hmmm. Still a gun grab??

What happens when the AFT and FBI update their NICS reporting procedures and systems to better facilitate prompt and accurate reporting from the states?? What happens when you're not on this list because you're a law-abiding gun owner and no one ever comes to your house to take your guns??

What happens when your at a gun show and your favorite dealer asks you to fill out a new form or show him your state carry permit (which assumes you've already been cleared). Minutes after filling out the form, you purchase anything you want? What happens then? Will you scream "infringement" after you get to purchase exactly what you came to purchase?

What happens when your daughter gets a restraining order against her ex-husband and the Sheriff is able to quickly check records via a new and improved computer system and see that her ex owns 2 more handguns than he claims and an assault riffle--purchased in another state.... When the Sheriff takes his guns away, will you scream Gun Grab!! -- Not your gun or your daughter's gun, the ex-husband?? Will you ***** about a tiny tax on ammunition to pay for the new computer system that flagged your daughters ex-husband as having purchased guns out of state??

And, oh God no... what if, what if you wanted to sell your AR-15, and in order to do so, you had to ask to see the buyer's state carry permit (or some documentation that he had been cleared by NICS) AND, God forbid, you also had to fill out a transfer of ownership form similar to a pink slip that shows the AR-15 no longer belongs to you???!!! Filling out the form takes 1 minute 46 seconds of your time. He pays you for the AR-15 and leaves. But you'll never get that extra 2 minutes back. Will you scream Infringement of my rights!!!??

What happens when a schizophrenic goes off his meds and attempts to purchase 3000 rounds on the internet, thus setting off a red flag preventing the purchase from going through and notifying local law enforcement and a social worker to pay him a visit? They talk him into entering an inpatient program and getting back on his meds and he never carries out the plan to massacre the shopping mall where your wife and children shop. Your life doesn't change one bit. You enjoy next Christmas with your family while a mentally ill man gets the help he needs.

What happens when laws on the books are enforced in a more intelligent and thoughtful manner, curbing the flow of weapons to the cities?

What happens when your worst fears are not realized? What happens when your erection of paranoia goes flaccid?

What happens when you can't remember where you buried all the extra ammo your bought after Obama was re-elected?

You don't even know what the laws are now. In another thread you made a list of demands and everyone of them is already federal law. How about before you make demands and go off half cocked, you actually learn what is and is not already the law.

As for enforcement.... for some reason career criminals are not prosecuted on gun charges all across this Country. In all spectrum of political leanings.

Be specific.

 

[hazlnut]

Hazel already whining because the ULTRA Marxtist left couldn't usurp the US Constitution and disarm Americans. That's right.. Even your King knows he can't do it.. Mmm, the smell of liberty prevails.. How sweet it is!

Hey, fatty, why don't you address the OP instead of making stupid remarks from your fat face.

 

[RoadVirus]

Tax on bullets.

So you're not willing to kick in a little extra for the sake of public safety?? This makes you and your family safer.

Another tax. How very liberal of you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What happens when there is no 'Gun Grab'??

It's a birther thingy. Paranoid gun nutters will always perceive a "Gun Grab" - especially with a Democrat in the White House. Just imagine a BLACK Democrat in the White House...

Black white, I don't much give a shit. Democrat is what my problem is. I never have been racist, but since you joined up here I've lost a lot of respect for Native Americans.

i doubt if he is one.....LaKota and Iron Eyes Cody have something in common....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Would you complain about having to fill out an extra form or a small tax on ammo that goes more efficient tracking of criminal gun trafficking?

Would I complain about the government forcing people to register their guns? Of course. That's the first step on the road to confiscation. What guarantee is there that after everyone is registered that some left-wing crank organization like Media Matters won't demand the names and addresses of everyone who owns a gun?

^easily manipulated moron and a pathological liar

why Artie?.....there are people right now calling for confiscating......the only way you can even think about it is if everyone with a gun registers them....thats step one.......you get the right people in office and there it is......do you trust the Government enough to say they would never attempt this?......i sure as hell dont....and if Obama was any kind of a leader and does not want to ..."gun grab"....why the hell don't he lead and diffuse this bullshit by getting out there and telling people something.....instead he lets these things build to a boiling point and then its to late.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hazel already whining because the ULTRA Marxtist left couldn't usurp the US Constitution and disarm Americans. That's right.. Even your King knows he can't do it.. Mmm, the smell of liberty prevails.. How sweet it is!

Hey, fatty, why don't you address the OP instead of making stupid remarks from your fat face.

why do you always call people names when someone doesnt agree with you?....and dont tell me you dont.....you do.....and why did you not answer what i asked in post 31?....

 

[yidnar]

If it doesn't happen, I figure we've won the battle for now.

Would you complain about having to fill out an extra form or a small tax on ammo that goes more efficient tracking of criminal gun trafficking?

**** you and your tax !

 

[Article 15]

Would I complain about the government forcing people to register their guns? Of course. That's the first step on the road to confiscation. What guarantee is there that after everyone is registered that some left-wing crank organization like Media Matters won't demand the names and addresses of everyone who owns a gun?

^easily manipulated moron and a pathological liar

why Artie?.....there are people right now calling for confiscating......the only way you can even think about it is if everyone with a gun registers them....thats step one.......you get the right people in office and there it is......do you trust the Government enough to say they would never attempt this?......i sure as hell dont....and if Obama was any kind of a leader and does not want to ..."gun grab"....why the hell don't he lead and diffuse this bullshit by getting out there and telling people something.....instead he lets these things build to a boiling point and then its to late.....

Yes, I think the government would not attempt to confiscate our guns. I think the very thought is pants on head retarded, in fact. If you think that's happening or on the verge of happening ... I like ya, Harry but damn ... that's beyond silly.

Obama is a politician and he is using the opportunity to give the right plenty of rope to hang themselves with by looking like a bunch of loons in reaction to the few who are impotently calling for the repealing of the second amendment.