What do you think happens with the ACA subsidies?

[Polishprince]

I don't praise people for doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

We should have single payer or a public option, not keep trying to paper over increasingly large gaps in the system by subsidizing big insurance.

The expense of setting up a risky Socialized Medicine scheme would be overwhelming.

Bureaucrats would approve anything rather than argue with angry taxpayers demanding service that their taxdollars are paying for.

Eurotrash proles aren't Americans.

You see how much people fight for coverage against insurance companies? It will jam up the system twice as bad when some doofus at HHS has to determine whether someone can get something done.

Further, a socialized scheme will make smart young people less likely to enter medicine. The top tier brains don't want to become civil servants.

 

[merrill]

Just a guess, but I think they will be extended for one year NOT three years with a contingency that costs are brought more inline with employer sponsored plans. What say you?

nonsense........ it's the insurance industry doing the gouging. employers do not have good choices.

 

[merrill]

The expense of setting up a risky Socialized Medicine scheme would be overwhelming.

Bureaucrats would approve anything rather than argue with angry taxpayers demanding service that their taxdollars are paying for.

Eurotrash proles aren't Americans.

You see how much people fight for coverage against insurance companies? It will jam up the system twice as bad when some doofus at HHS has to determine whether someone can get something done.

Further, a socialized scheme will make smart young people less likely to enter medicine. The top tier brains don't want to become civil servants.

pure unadulterated nonsense === btw tax dollar supported health insurance insures no medical bills go unpaid. Not only that it also eliminates bankruptcies related to health care = yes indeed.

 

[merrill]

Just a guess, but I think they will be extended for one year NOT three years with a contingency that costs are brought more inline with employer sponsored plans. What say you?

ACA subsidies can be eliminated by way of Single Payer Health Insurance for America paid for with tax dollars. I want my health insurance to pay for my health insurance. Smart use of my money.

There ain't so such thing as free health insurance nor free health care.

 

[JoeB131]

The expense of setting up a risky Socialized Medicine scheme would be overwhelming.

Bureaucrats would approve anything rather than argue with angry taxpayers demanding service that their taxdollars are paying for.

Eurotrash proles aren't Americans.

Exactly that! What's absurd is that after you've worked for insurance, someone at Cigna can say, "Meh, no, we think your procedure is elective!"

You see how much people fight for coverage against insurance companies? It will jam up the system twice as bad when some doofus at HHS has to determine whether someone can get something done.

Works on the assumption an HHS bureaucrat would be worse to deal with than Cigna Bureaucrat, whose paycheck is determined by how many claims he can deny.

Besides, didn't you just say that they would be MORE likely to approve things?

Further, a socialized scheme will make smart young people less likely to enter medicine. The top tier brains don't want to become civil servants.

If you are only becoming a doctor for money, you probably shouldn't be a doctor.

 

[MarathonMike]

ACA subsidies can be eliminated by way of Single Payer Health Insurance for America paid for with tax dollars. I want my health insurance to pay for my health insurance. Smart use of my money.

There ain't so such thing as free health insurance nor free health care.

Single Payer would be an order of magnitude worse than the ACA. Just ask a Canadian how great Single Payer works.

 

[Polishprince]

pure unadulterated nonsense === btw tax dollar supported health insurance insures no medical bills go unpaid. Not only that it also eliminates bankruptcies related to health care = yes indeed.

So, in your view, a Socialized Medical Scheme wouldn't reject any claims the people made against them?

That's going to create quite a jam up at the doctors' office.

Unless private health care is actually outlawed, there will always be people seeking it and getting into debt.

 

[leftwinger]

Ten people shot in CHI every day. Massive cost to scrape them up, iff to emergency. All without insurance. Yet we are supposed to continue paying more to patch them up? ICI, transfusions, rehab, repeat surgeries over years.

It all adds up. No multiply by 100 big craphole blue chocolate cities. I'll wait.

 

[leftwinger]

The ACA designed to guarantee every dic enlargement, teet or dic removal, liposuction, heart transplants on death row etc.

Every 452lb in NY or El Paso (eater) stuck in recliner not working ordering food on grub hub. You want me to pay his or her insurance?

How about down to those with real disabilities? The rest? Buy your own. Offer catastrophic. The rest can just deal with it.

ACA Chock full of fraudulent registrations post Flu subsidyscam. Ghost names.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I'll say this for countries with single-payer: They are backing off of childhood "gender affirming care." That will be harder to do in the U.S. since the ACA combined with the profit seeking Child Transgenderization Industry will make that harder to do here.

As European countries are discovering, without a profit to be made, mutilating and hormonalizing children is just cruelty for cruelty's sake.

But its one strength stems from its greatest weakness: government deciding on healthcare options. I guess the wokesters will have to take that one on the chin.

Remember, Democrats and "not Democrats!" Government control of your healthcare will still be in effect when Republicans are in power.

 

[merrill]

Single Payer would be an order of magnitude worse than the ACA. Just ask a Canadian how great Single Payer works.

Old old old defense. Canadians love their system. USA system = death panels.

 

[JoeB131]

Single Payer would be an order of magnitude worse than the ACA. Just ask a Canadian how great Single Payer works.

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A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.

Now, let's compare that to Americans.

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It’s not news that Americans are unhappy about the quality of health care they receive. A 2019 survey revealed that 43% of Americans were unsatisfied with health care. A similar survey conducted in 2024 produced higher numbers, showing that over half of patients either felt “severe” frustration or were “burned out” by frustration due to their experiences with health care.

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[schmidlap]

Um yeah, I guess you forgot it was Obama and the Democrats who jammed the ACA down everyone's throats.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has seen a significant increase in popularity, especially among independents, who approve of the law by a 63% margin. This trend has been consistent since 2017, when the law gained public support as Republicans moved closer to repealing it. The latest KFF tracking poll found that 59% of Americans had a favorable opinion of the ACA, while 40% viewed it unfavorably. This reflects a steady increase in support for the law, particularly among those who do not align with the political parties that have historically opposed it. ​

Despite the ACA steadily becoming more popular, Trump kept promising to repeal and replace it with "something terrific" that "covers everybody," but he was, apparently, only blowing gas as usual.

Republicans never concocted and offered an alternative, and are increasingly accepting that people want the ACA to be supported by the government:

House passes 3-year extension of ObamaCare subsidies​

 

[MarathonMike]

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has seen a significant increase in popularity, especially among independents, who approve of the law by a 63% margin. This trend has been consistent since 2017, when the law gained public support as Republicans moved closer to repealing it. The latest KFF tracking poll found that 59% of Americans had a favorable opinion of the ACA, while 40% viewed it unfavorably. This reflects a steady increase in support for the law, particularly among those who do not align with the political parties that have historically opposed it. ​

Despite the ACA steadily becoming more popular, Trump kept promising to repeal and replace it with "something terrific" that "covers everybody," but he was, apparently, only blowing gas as usual.

Republicans never concocted and offered an alternative, and are increasingly accepting that people want the ACA to be supported by the government:

House passes 3-year extension of ObamaCare subsidies​

Meth use has also risen in popularity over the last few years. Popularity does not mean good for Americans.

 

[JoeB131]

Meth use has also risen in popularity over the last few years. Popularity does not mean good for Americans.

Why do you guys always try to change the subject while discussing something?

Yes, the ACA is imperfect.

No, it's a lot better than what we were doing before ACA.

 

[schmidlap]

Meth use has also risen in popularity over the last few years. Popularity does not mean good for Americans.

Did Trump repeatedly hype his superior alternative to methadone, but never actually offered it?

I must have missed that.

 

[initforme]

Just have employers have to offer health coverage. Done.

 

[schmidlap]

Just have employers have to offer health coverage. Done.

Most self-employed have ACA coverage.

House Republicans finally realized they had no practical recourse but to ignore the ideologues and revive the subsidies, or be wiped out by the electorate in November,