What Do You Think George Washington Would Have Thought About Mandates?

[Lastamender]

Does anyone think the press was lying about Smallpox back then? That is another huge difference.

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There is an example. Hell, maybe Hamilton died of smallpox instead of a gunshot wound and the press covered it up.

 

[john doe 101]

Most of our Founding Fathers were Libertarians so I suspect they would be ashamed of this country now.

Wrong on yet something else....https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/02/no-american-founders-not-libertarians/

The purpose of government, in turn, was to help people achieve happiness by promoting their good.

Also.....Twelve of the 13 original states adopted a constitution in the Founding Era. Every one of these states described the purpose of government as promoting the well-being of citizens. The New Hampshire constitution of 1784 is typical, holding that “all government…is…instituted for the general good.”

 

[Dadoalex]

Several differences.
One is that it was not a fake mRNA injection that does not really work, and two is that it was to deal with smallpox ahead of time, instead of waiting for it to strike at an inopportune time, and three was that is was troops Washington had command over and was willing to sacrifice if necessary.
All three of those make it entirely different, as well as not being a vaccination.

Again, the question is about MANDATES. Do try to stay on topic.

 

[Rigby5]

You need to look up the word "mandate" you dumb piece of shit. Washington forced his troops to get INOCULATED. Fact.

Wrong.
Washington forced nothing.
Enlistment was voluntary and anyone not wanted to get deliberately infected was free to leave.
And a military command in an emergency is not at all like trying to pass an unnecessary law over civilians.

 

[Rigby5]

Washington made his troops get smallpox vax

Wrong.
There was no vax then.
And would not be a smallpox vax for over another 20 years.
Washington made his troops actually get infected deliberately, with real smallpox.

 

[TNHarley]

Wrong on yet something else....https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/02/no-american-founders-not-libertarians/

The purpose of government, in turn, was to help people achieve happiness by promoting their good.

Also.....Twelve of the 13 original states adopted a constitution in the Founding Era. Every one of these states described the purpose of government as promoting the well-being of citizens. The New Hampshire constitution of 1784 is typical, holding that “all government…is…instituted for the general good.”

That article is a load of shit.
Libertarian is usually used as a general term for an ideology that doesnt want a central govt to do anything besides basic duties.
the author then tries to paint James Wilson as some sort fo statist, which is absolute horseshit.
James thought we didnt even need a bill of rights because the enumerated powers didnt give the fed gov the ability to oppress by those means anyways.
The federalist isnt a very good source on things, apparently.

 

[john doe 101]

Wrong.
Washington forced nothing.
Enlistment was voluntary and anyone not wanted to get deliberately infected was free to leave.
And a military command in an emergency is not at all like trying to pass an unnecessary law over civilians.

So it's like what Biden wants to do with the workplace. If you dont want the jab, you're free to leave.

 

[TNHarley]

So it's like what Biden wants to do with the workplace. If you dont want the jab, you're free to leave.

 

[busybee01]

However, Washington was NOT mandating a vaccine.
Vaccines had not yet been invented, and would no be for another 20 years.
What Washington had the American Continental Army take was variolation.
That is deliberate infection with the old puss of someone recovering from smallpox.

If the US had done deliberate infection 2 years ago, to volunteers under 40, we could have saved about 700,000 lives.

You are playing with semantics. The US should not have deliberately infected people. More would have died had we done that.

 

[busybee01]

Why does everyone keep saying that?
That is WRONG.
Vaccines had not yet been invented.
Washington ordered deliberate infection, NOT vaccination.

You are playing with semantics. Washington ordered his troops to be vaccinated.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong on yet something else....https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/02/no-american-founders-not-libertarians/

The purpose of government, in turn, was to help people achieve happiness by promoting their good.

Also.....Twelve of the 13 original states adopted a constitution in the Founding Era. Every one of these states described the purpose of government as promoting the well-being of citizens. The New Hampshire constitution of 1784 is typical, holding that “all government…is…instituted for the general good.”

Promoting individual well being is not at all contradictory to Libertarianism.
Libertarians are not government minimalists.
Things like the Post Office, which harms no one, are not at all against Libertarian philosophy.

 

[busybee01]

And private citizens are not the Commander-in-Chief's troops.

Derp.

The commander in chief is not mandating private citizens be vaccinated. You clowns say that ordering troiops to be vaccinated is illegal.

Derp.

 

[john doe 101]

Promoting individual well being is not at all contradictory to Libertarianism.
Libertarians are not government minimalists.
Things like the Post Office, which harms no one, are not at all against Libertarian philosophy.

You didnt read the article, did you? It completely blows away the notion that the founding fathers were libertarians. But we get it, you like to think you're the same as Ben Franklin. You're a horror show of mental instability and anti-intellectualism.

 

[Rigby5]

Again, the question is about MANDATES. Do try to stay on topic.

Yes, and Washington most definitely did NOT mandate vaccinations.
It was not vaccinations because vaccinations were not invented yet, what Washington ordered was deliberate infection with smallpox.
And it was not a mandate because it was an order that only applied to troops, and the troops were all volunteers who could just have left instead.
A MANDATE is a law imposed on all.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Wrong.
There was no vax then.
And would not be a smallpox vax for over another 20 years.
Washington made his troops actually get infected deliberately, with real smallpox.

No. No he didn't at all. Where did you get such a nonsense idea?

At the time it was well known that people who were infected with cowpox did not get small pox. They were sick for a few days but did not die, suffer debilitating illness or scarring. Washington ordered that pus from cowpox be administered to his army. He never ordered anyone in his troops to take the inoculations.

It was quite impossible for Washington to make such a ridiculous order. What would he do with dissenters? Dishonorable discharge? The men were free to walk away and many did. Don't try selling actual silly stuff.

 

[busybee01]

Several differences.
One is that it was not a fake mRNA injection that does not really work, and two is that it was to deal with smallpox ahead of time, instead of waiting for it to strike at an inopportune time, and three was that is was troops Washington had command over and was willing to sacrifice if necessary.
All three of those make it entirely different, as well as not being a vaccination.

One is that the vaccines that are available do work in protecting people from coronavirus.
Two, the vaccines would allow us to move on from the coronavirus.

There is nothing different about the situation. You want to play word games to cover up the fact you are wrong.

 

[john doe 101]

Yes, and Washington most definitely did NOT mandate vaccinations.
It was not vaccinations because vaccinations were not invented yet, what Washington ordered was deliberate infection with smallpox.
And it was not a mandate because it was an order that only applied to troops, and the troops were all volunteers who could just have left instead.
A MANDATE is a law imposed on all.

Mandate----"an official order or commission to do something". Nowhere in the definition of mandate is there mention of "all", "law", or "imposed". You have a very bad habit of changing reality to fit your narrative. Then again you are one of the biggest nut jobs on this site, which is saying a hell of a lot.

 

[busybee01]

Yes, and Washington most definitely did NOT mandate vaccinations.
It was not vaccinations because vaccinations were not invented yet, what Washington ordered was deliberate infection with smallpox.
And it was not a mandate because it was an order that only applied to troops, and the troops were all volunteers who could just have left instead.
A MANDATE is a law imposed on all.

He did mandate innoculations which are no different.
There is no mandate on ordinary citizens.

 

[Rigby5]

You are playing with semantics. The US should not have deliberately infected people. More would have died had we done that.

Wrong.
Run the numbers.
To end the covid epidemic, you need herd immunity of 70%.
That is 240 million people who need to gain immunity.
The general lethality is about 1%, but if you only use volunteer under 40, that lethality drops by a factor of 400.
So if you take 1% you get 2.4 million, which then is divided by 400 for age, and you end up with only 6,000 dead.

The actual death total would be higher because there already were 50,000 dead, it would take time to infect that many, some elderly would still get infected, etc.
But we would have saved over 700,000 lives compared to the absurd strategy of "flattening the curve".

 

[busybee01]

Before or after he slaughtered the entire Dem leadership?

After he smashed the right wing attack on our capitol.