What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Well you are definitely in the "baffle them with BULLSHIT" brigade!!

But this one in particular..

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

So they are behind the troubles in Syria, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc etc?? Gee; they must be so ever POWERFUL to do that. Maybe those folk shouldn't mess with them!!! Gosh wait: they have their own sources of oppression and genocide...whodathunkit!!!!

Greg

Probably more "behind" many of the conflicts in the Mideast than you know or will every know. You certainly can't trust what CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will tell you. Especially since those networks are owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.

Who are the Israeli-Americans owning networks?

"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

Seven Jewish Americans Control Most US Media

Sounds like they have relatives in show business!!! That's what they get for studying hard and working their ways to the top!!! Living the 'Mercan Dream!!! Why do you envy them their success?

So who should be in control of those entities? Wasps? Catholics? Not as capable people? You don't like their stuff don't buy it!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Sure sounds like he/she is the personal secretary of Ted Pike. Maybe this Ted Pike incantation can tell us why there are many Christians who marry Jews. Certainly if the Jews think of others as cattle, they would stay far, far away from them. Methinks this poster has been reading the fake Talmud quotes which are so popular with the anti-Semites. Why don't you go assist your new ISIS friends in the Middle East help fight in Iraq and Syria if you think that Israel is behind the conflicts. Think of the good you would be doing for your new friends who are Jew haters like you are and naturally you would feel so good about yourself in getting those "evil" Jews. Be sure to convert to Islam first since you don't want to lose your head.

Only a total idiot would believe that my opposition to modern "Israel" is a stamp of approval for "ISIS." That's like saying that if I don't like hamburger I must love hotdogs. A rather awkward jump to a false conclusion.

Just because you idolize Israel doesn't mean that I have to be an idolator as well. Go ahead and worship them all you wish. It will get you nowhere. America as been "blessing" Israel since 1947 but look where it's gotten us. We're swirling down the frigging toilet. Hooray!

Just exactly why is it that you are so Mesmerized by the Israelis? Do you think you will go to Heaven if you worship them? Do you think you will get rich? Do you think you will live a longer life? What exactly do you hope that sort of idol worship will get you?

Maybe their opposition are such assholes!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Doesn't anyone else find some posters to be absolutely useless, who constantly make ridiculous outrageous suggestions that, if they had half a brain, they would realize are completely unrealistic and will NEVER happen? Why participate in a conversation if you're just going to be a douche?

The irony of your post is astounding.

The statement is agreeable, however.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Drifter

while watching Americans die on the streets, cold and hungry

How many Americans die in the streets of cold and hunger? What help is theirs for the asking?? How much is already spent on trying to assist them?

I have great sympathy for the homeless; I've been a volunteer at homeless shelters in the past though not of late. Most are there because of mental health issues, drugs, booze or violence. I also know that many are there to help and we do. Your argument is a red herring. ps: I am not in America.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Sure sounds like he/she is the personal secretary of Ted Pike. Maybe this Ted Pike incantation can tell us why there are many Christians who marry Jews. Certainly if the Jews think of others as cattle, they would stay far, far away from them. Methinks this poster has been reading the fake Talmud quotes which are so popular with the anti-Semites. Why don't you go assist your new ISIS friends in the Middle East help fight in Iraq and Syria if you think that Israel is behind the conflicts. Think of the good you would be doing for your new friends who are Jew haters like you are and naturally you would feel so good about yourself in getting those "evil" Jews. Be sure to convert to Islam first since you don't want to lose your head.

Only a total idiot would believe that my opposition to modern "Israel" is a stamp of approval for "ISIS." That's like saying that if I don't like hamburger I must love hotdogs. A rather awkward jump to a false conclusion.

Just because you idolize Israel doesn't mean that I have to be an idolator as well. Go ahead and worship them all you wish. It will get you nowhere. America as been "blessing" Israel since 1947 but look where it's gotten us. We're swirling down the frigging toilet. Hooray!

Just exactly why is it that you are so Mesmerized by the Israelis? Do you think you will go to Heaven if you worship them? Do you think you will get rich? Do you think you will live a longer life? What exactly do you hope that sort of idol worship will get you?

I don't idolize anything or anybody. I'm like the Lone Ranger, infidel.

He blames Israel for America's poor domestic policies?? Oi vei!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

That your final solution?

Nice Godwin, but there is no right, good-guy or true side. To hell with Palestine and Isreal both. The world would be a better place if *both* sides would kindly just stop breathing. Russa, UK and Africa can divide up the land and Earth will keep on spinning.

This is all about the kids fighting over daddy's estate (Abraham), and in the fighting all sides lost sight of God.

Isrealies and Palestinians both need to stop fighting over land and property and 'revenge' and grow the **** up already or just die.

I say we nuke Jeruselem and Mecca together, that way no one can have any of it for 100,000 years.

You say "nuke them". Well that's one way to inflame the situation.

The mutterings of an idiot!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Doesn't anyone else find some posters to be absolutely useless, who constantly make ridiculous outrageous suggestions that, if they had half a brain, they would realize are completely unrealistic and will NEVER happen? Why participate in a conversation if you're just going to be a douche?

The irony of your post is astounding.

The idiocy of yours is underwhelming!!! Assholes anonymous is next aisle; third from the left!! Piss off!

Greg

 

[Ellipsis]

Doesn't anyone else find some posters to be absolutely useless, who constantly make ridiculous outrageous suggestions that, if they had half a brain, they would realize are completely unrealistic and will NEVER happen? Why participate in a conversation if you're just going to be a douche?

The irony of your post is astounding.

The statement is agreeable, however.

Greg

Certainly. There are many 'children' on this forum. I'm hardly the first, in fact in my short time here I haven't even flung an insult, so I'm not the smallest, either.

 

[Phoenall]

Trash them 24/7.
Treat them as though they were sub-human.
Blame all the problems of the country on them.
Ethnically cleanse them from the area.
Accept any kind of violence towards them as being okay.
Scapegoating them as being the biggest threat the country faces.
Enacting laws making them 2nd class citizens.

That's the short list.

Yup, that's the list of what the Nazi's did to the Jews. But how's that relate to the Palestinians?

Funny you should bring that up. You hold that Israel hates Nazi Germany do you?
And yet Israel's tribute act to them is, as previously pointed out, a very sincere form of flattery. Corrected the error of not falling out with the US too early in the game of course, but the basic approach of persecute the almost defenceless, acquire pieces of territory gradually, then "make peace" before going for a bit more, while running a highly sophisticated weapons program and cutting new ground in organised propaganda.

All this while making sure Judaism was in the front line for getting the blame for what Israel does.

The German High Command from 1944 would look on at what you have done with great pride and awe.

Still cant see the similarities between Israel and the Nazi's, I cant see the death camps in Egypt or Jordan. I cant see the mass graves filled with quick lime, I cant see the gas chambers, I cant see the forced migration of every living soul away from gaza. So can you show all these things happening as they are what makes a Nazi.
A nudge in the right direction just look at the many concentration camps ran by the arab muslims filled to capacity by Palestinians.

 

[Ellipsis]

That your final solution?

Nice Godwin, but there is no right, good-guy or true side. To hell with Palestine and Isreal both. The world would be a better place if *both* sides would kindly just stop breathing. Russa, UK and Africa can divide up the land and Earth will keep on spinning.

This is all about the kids fighting over daddy's estate (Abraham), and in the fighting all sides lost sight of God.

Isrealies and Palestinians both need to stop fighting over land and property and 'revenge' and grow the **** up already or just die.

I say we nuke Jeruselem and Mecca together, that way no one can have any of it for 100,000 years.

You say "nuke them". Well that's one way to inflame the situation.

That's the point. Nuke them so as to have out with it already and let it be don. Shit or get off the pot.

The mutterings of an idiot!!

Greg

As I said...I'm not the smallest child here. Please stick to the topic.

 

[Phoenall]

Yup, that's the list of what the Nazi's did to the Jews. But how's that relate to the Palestinians?

Are you saying the Palestinian's aren't trashed 24/7?
Are you saying the Palestinian's are not treated as though they are sub-human?
Are you saying they're not being blamed for all the problems?

Name one incidence of violence against them that crossed the line?

Only by their fellow arab muslims

They act like sub-humans and so their own treat them as sub-humans

If they admit to being the ones to blame for all the problems who are you to gainsay them.

Name on incidence of violence by them that was fully justified under International law.

 

[Ellipsis]

Doesn't anyone else find some posters to be absolutely useless, who constantly make ridiculous outrageous suggestions that, if they had half a brain, they would realize are completely unrealistic and will NEVER happen? Why participate in a conversation if you're just going to be a douche?

The irony of your post is astounding.

The idiocy of yours is underwhelming!!! Assholes anonymous is next aisle; third from the left!! Piss off!

Greg

My right hand to God my collage English teacher said, of punctuation: "if you use one exclimation point you're saying this is important, if you use two that means it's so important that you had to brake the rules to show it, and if you use three that means you were never loved as a child"

 

[gtopa1]

That your final solution?

Nice Godwin, but there is no right, good-guy or true side. To hell with Palestine and Isreal both. The world would be a better place if *both* sides would kindly just stop breathing. Russa, UK and Africa can divide up the land and Earth will keep on spinning.

This is all about the kids fighting over daddy's estate (Abraham), and in the fighting all sides lost sight of God.

Isrealies and Palestinians both need to stop fighting over land and property and 'revenge' and grow the **** up already or just die.

I say we nuke Jeruselem and Mecca together, that way no one can have any of it for 100,000 years.

You say "nuke them". Well that's one way to inflame the situation.

That's the point. Nuke them so as to have out with it already and let it be don. Shit or get off the pot.

The mutterings of an idiot!!

Greg

As I said...I'm not the smallest child here. Please stick to the topic.

What the hell has Mecca got to do with Hamas?? lmao. If you're a kid then frankly you're a very useful idiot in the making. Get this: your scenario is one in which MILLIONS die. Hamas's scenario is one in which MILLIONS die. Israel's scenario is one where everybody lives in peace!!!

Now go tell mommy that a bad man on the internet made you cry!!

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

That's clearly BS but I do agree that 60+ years of their greedy, corrupt leadership and UNRWA mothering have left them broke, unable to wipe their own butts, desperate and pointed like a knife at Israel's throat.

Cut the crap, if you lived under the occupation of a foreign force, you'd have a knife at their throat to.

So when they were not under the occupation of a foreign force why were they holding a knife to everyones throat. 19 years of self rule and they were constantly murdering Israeli children, right up until Israel decided enough was enough and hit back hard

 

[gtopa1]

Doesn't anyone else find some posters to be absolutely useless, who constantly make ridiculous outrageous suggestions that, if they had half a brain, they would realize are completely unrealistic and will NEVER happen? Why participate in a conversation if you're just going to be a douche?

The irony of your post is astounding.

The idiocy of yours is underwhelming!!! Assholes anonymous is next aisle; third from the left!! Piss off!

Greg

My right hand to God my collage English teacher said, of punctuation: "if you use one exclimation point you're saying this is important, if you use two that means it's so important that you had to brake the rules to show it, and if you use three that means you were never loved as a child"

Pity you failed the spelling section. My own shorthand is as follows: one EM: important; two EMs : bloody important; Three EMs : you f'n well better believe that this is important; More than three: are you too bloody thick to understand a simple shorthand; this is as important as it gets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But sometimes I just do it for amusement.

Did your English teacher tell you to kill millions of women and children just like Hamas want to do?

Greg

 

[Ellipsis]

Pity you failed the spelling section.

What makes you think there was a spelling section? This was collage, not grade school.

Did your English teacher tell you to kill millions of women and children just like Hamas want to do?
Greg

No, he was busy writing grants for his animal rescue.

 

[Ellipsis]

What the hell has Mecca got to do with Hamas?

Islam.

 

[gtopa1]

What the hell has Mecca got to do with Hamas?

Islam.

So you give Gaza a pass? Hamas would like that.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Pity you failed the spelling section.

What makes you think there was a spelling section? This was collage, not grade school.

So you were missed both times. What an indictment of American Education!!

lmao

Greg

 

[Ellipsis]

So you give Gaza a pass? Hamas would like that.

Greg

Not sure what Gaza has to do with anything to then give it a pass. It's a chunk of land, I don't see how it's responsable for anything.

Pity you failed the spelling section.

What makes you think there was a spelling section? This was collage, not grade school.

So you were missed both times.

Missed what? I got an A in the class.

Are you so desperate to make a personal jab that now you're reduced to random statments?

There's nothing wrong with putting me on you're ignore list.