What are they thinking in Russia?

[Tech_Esq]

With this whole Georgian thing going on, I've doing more research into what is actually happening in Russia. I guess I should have known this, but I was not aware of the Putin Youth. They are known as Nashis. "Our Guys" They provide "street presence" for Putin in political demonstrations. They also specialize in terrorizing and breaking up the non-Putin political rallies. You could think of the SA with the Nazis and you wouldn't be far off.

There is an estimated 120,000 Nashis operating in Russia with funding from the Kremlin. They take their orders from First Deputy Ivanov. So, what's on their mind?

"Today, the United States on one hand and international terrorism on the other strive to control Eurasia and the whole world," Nashist literature proclaims. "Their gaze is directed at Russia. The task of our generation is to defend the sovereignty of our country as our grandfathers did 60 years ago."

The reaction to this in places where note has been taken of it, is that this is an indication of a return to totalitarian rule. There is too much information on this to post links, just Google it.

 

[Avatar4321]

There is going to be a war, a huge war. Putin's been planning this for a while. and yet there will still be people telling us that we are to blame.

 

[AllieBaba]

They're already doing it.

 

[Ravi]

What is Russia's military capability?

 

[AllieBaba]

The Russians are always formidable.

 

[AllieBaba]

Click on the link at the bottom of this site:
Russian Military Capability in a Ten-Year Perspective: Problems and Trends in 2005 - Swedish Defence Research Agency

 

[Annie]

Click on the link at the bottom of this site:
Russian Military Capability in a Ten-Year Perspective: Problems and Trends in 2005 - Swedish Defence Research Agency

And since then? Oil prices have been rising since 2005, probably from longer back considering how long it takes to produce something like this.

Russia's achilles now is like SA, they dependent on oil, for now they're flush. If anything were to happen to oil prices, ooopppps.

 

[JimH52]

The people on the street in Russia are probably asking themselves why the US is so upset over one nation invading another. Particularly since we did the same thing in 2003.

Okay, the argument will be made that Saddam was a dictator. Perhaps he was but Iraq was still an independent nation. There are many "dictators" around the world that we allow to stand and they even violate human rights standards BUT they may not have oil....hhhhmmmm

 

[Zoomie1980]

With this whole Georgian thing going on, I've doing more research into what is actually happening in Russia. I guess I should have known this, but I was not aware of the Putin Youth. They are known as Nashis. "Our Guys" They provide "street presence" for Putin in political demonstrations. They also specialize in terrorizing and breaking up the non-Putin political rallies. You could think of the SA with the Nazis and you wouldn't be far off.

There is an estimated 120,000 Nashis operating in Russia with funding from the Kremlin. They take their orders from First Deputy Ivanov. So, what's on their mind?



The reaction to this in places where note has been taken of it, is that this is an indication of a return to totalitarian rule. There is too much information on this to post links, just Google it.

The retreat from democracy began as soon as Yeltsen stepped down. The irony is Russia is going to pass from a Communist state, through a breif democracy period, right into a Fascist state. 60 years after they fought the Great Patriotic War against the forces of Fascism they become Fascist themselves.

Continued aggression to fend off the "Europeanization" of the former Soviet sattelite states but also the need to project power into resource and pipeline rich South Asia and to fend off the number one threat to Russian power, radical Islam on its southern flank.

This is why the US is going to stay, in force, in South Asia and Iraq. Huge military bases to use for power projection as there is no sea for carrier task forces to operate in. China, India and Russia all desiring to control events in this vital part of the world and US needs to be a player here, to.

No troops coming home from this part the world in anyone's lifetime posting here.

 

[Zoomie1980]

The people on the street in Russia are probably asking themselves why the US is so upset over one nation invading another. Particularly since we did the same thing in 2003.

Okay, the argument will be made that Saddam was a dictator. Perhaps he was but Iraq was still an independent nation. There are many "dictators" around the world that we allow to stand and they even violate human rights standards BUT they may not have oil....hhhhmmmm

They don't provide strategic access to vital parts of the world. We used Sadaam for decades to counter Iran and to provide a buffer between the Soviets and their desire for a warm water port and the ability to cut off the Persian Gulf. When he became too hard to swallow, we still needed his country, but not him. We got rid of him.

What strategic access or resource does Burma or N. Korea offer? None. Iraq, Afghanistan? Get a map. That's how STRATEGIC politics works. We used to call it realPolotik...

 

[William Joyce]

The reaction to this in places where note has been taken of it, is that this is an indication of a return to totalitarian rule. There is too much information on this to post links, just Google it.

Oh my God, Becky! The Russians are, like, Nazis and stuff! I heard it from Tiffany.

 

[Denny Crane]

It seems Russia has reverted to cold war tactics of putting a spin to the facts in regards to what is going on in Georgia. One thing the Russians haven't lost and that's imagination.

Russians were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, to stop Barak Obama being elected president of the United States.

The line came on the main news of Vesti FM, a state radio station that — like the Government and much of Russia's media — has reverted to the old habits of Soviet years, in which a sinister American hand was held to lie behind every conflict, especially those embarrassing to Moscow. Modern Russia may be plugged into the internet and the global marketplace but in the battle for world opinion the Kremlin is replaying the old black-and-white movie.

The Obama angle is getting wide play. It was aired on Wednesday by Sergei Markov, a senior political scientist who is close to Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister and power behind President Medvedev.

“George Bush's Administration is promoting interests of candidate John McCain,” said Dr Markov. “Defeated by Barak Obama on all fronts, McCain has one last card to play yet - the creation of a virtual Cold War with Russia . . . Bush himself did not want a war in South Ossetia but his Republican Party did not leave him any choice.” The Americans were now engineering an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Dr Markov added

Kremlin dusts off Cold War lexicon to make US villain in Georgia - Times Online

 

[Tristan]

It seems Russia has reverted to cold war tactics of putting a spin to the facts in regards to what is going on in Georgia. One thing the Russians haven't lost and that's imagination.



Kremlin dusts off Cold War lexicon to make US villain in Georgia - Times Online

And no shortage of American "useful idiots" to tow the Russian line.

 

[dilloduck]

And no shortage of American "useful idiots" to tow the Russian line.

oh man--that's no lie !!!

 

[JimH52]

They don't provide strategic access to vital parts of the world. We used Sadaam for decades to counter Iran and to provide a buffer between the Soviets and their desire for a warm water port and the ability to cut off the Persian Gulf. When he became too hard to swallow, we still needed his country, but not him. We got rid of him.

What strategic access or resource does Burma or N. Korea offer? None. Iraq, Afghanistan? Get a map. That's how STRATEGIC politics works. We used to call it realPolotik...

Maybe they will withdraw if bush could give his pal Putin a hug. It sure got the Saudi's to begin singing "WE WILL PUMP MORE OIL!"

Or perhaps Putin has been taking diplomacy lessons from bush? The Russin army is probably looking for WMD.

 

[KMAN]

And since then? Oil prices have been rising since 2005, probably from longer back considering how long it takes to produce something like this.

Russia's achilles now is like SA, they dependent on oil, for now they're flush. If anything were to happen to oil prices, ooopppps.

It seems to me then it makes more sense to drill for our own oil NOW... There may not be a US if we don't get energy independent.

 

[KMAN]

The people on the street in Russia are probably asking themselves why the US is so upset over one nation invading another. Particularly since we did the same thing in 2003.

Okay, the argument will be made that Saddam was a dictator. Perhaps he was but Iraq was still an independent nation. There are many "dictators" around the world that we allow to stand and they even violate human rights standards BUT they may not have oil....hhhhmmmm

Dude you just can't let it go that Bush won back to back elections can you....You conveniently forgot one big thing the UN voted for force as well.

 

[Tech_Esq]

What is Russia's military capability?

They currently have a 1.1 Million man army. This quote from 2007 gives you an idea of where they are going.

Last week Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov unveiled a $189 billion rearmament program that will replace about half of Russia's current military equipment by 2015. Among the armed forces' acquisitions will be a completely revamped early-warning radar network, new intercontinental missiles, a fleet of supersonic Tu-160 strategic bombers, and 31 new warships, including aircraft carriers.

This is a good short primer on Russian current status and future capabilities: Russia Intensifies Efforts to Rebuild Military

 

[Tech_Esq]

The people on the street in Russia are probably asking themselves why the US is so upset over one nation invading another. Particularly since we did the same thing in 2003.

Okay, the argument will be made that Saddam was a dictator. Perhaps he was but Iraq was still an independent nation. There are many "dictators" around the world that we allow to stand and they even violate human rights standards BUT they may not have oil....hhhhmmmm

Please link the UN Security Council resolution allowing the use of force against Georgia.

 

[sealybobo]

It seems Russia has reverted to cold war tactics of putting a spin to the facts in regards to what is going on in Georgia. One thing the Russians haven't lost and that's imagination.



Kremlin dusts off Cold War lexicon to make US villain in Georgia - Times Online

Nothing can unite Americans like the fear or Russia and mutually assured distruction. This is what bad leaders do. When they suck, they start trouble with other countries. Then all the SHEEP in this country rally behind the President. We forget how poorly the guy has been doing because "we are all Americans".

So McCain is manipulating you. Are you falling for it? I say this story shows McCain is a war monger and has no diplomacy skills.