Were the 13th and 14th amendments legally ratified?

[StatesRightsForever]

I never heard this argument before, but jared taylor makes it in an article at the unz review. He says it in the middle of this lengthy 3400 word article.

The 14th Amendment, which gave blacks the franchise, was just as cynically passed. When Congress voted on June 13, 1866 to propose it, not one of the 11 Southern states had been readmitted to the union, so Southerners had no say in the matter. Even by the time of ratification one month later, five Southern states were still outside the Union, so were not counted in the necessary three-fourths required for ratification, and for five of the six readmitted states, ratification was a condition for readmission (readmission was the only way to end Yankee military rule). Even some liberal historians argue that because of the exclusion of the South from the Constitutional procedure, the legality of not just the 14th Amendment but even the 13th, which freed the slaves, is dubious.

It is little known that during the failed Hampton Roads peace conference with Confederate representatives in February 1865, Lincoln is reported to have invited the Confederates to stop fighting, rejoin the Union, defeat the 13th Amendment by refusing to ratify it, and keep their slaves! The Emancipation Proclamation, he said, was “a war measure” that the courts might well find unconstitutional.

The True Face of the Great Emancipator

Phillip W. Magness and Sebastian N. Page, Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement, University of Missouri Press, 2011, 164 pp., $28.00 (softcover) Abraham Lincoln is revered as one of the greatest heroes of American history. His face is on Mount Rushmore...

www.unz.com

 

[candycorn]

Were the 13th and 14th amendments legally ratified?​

yes

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yes, this isn't a commentary on the 13th.

The 14th needs to be seriously rewritten for clarity and to get rid of incorporation.....

Here is an article that has been out there for a long long time......

The Squalid 14th Amendment - LewRockwell

SEC. 1. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

I never heard this argument before, but jared taylor makes it in an article at the unz review. He says it in the middle of this lengthy 3400 word article.

The True Face of the Great Emancipator

Phillip W. Magness and Sebastian N. Page, Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement, University of Missouri Press, 2011, 164 pp., $28.00 (softcover) Abraham Lincoln is revered as one of the greatest heroes of American history. His face is on Mount Rushmore...

www.unz.com

13th Amendment
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Amendment XIII
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Yes, this isn't a commentary on the 13th.

The 14th needs to be seriously rewritten for clarity and to get rid of incorporation.....

Here is an article that has been out there for a long long time......

The Squalid 14th Amendment - LewRockwell

SEC. 1. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection...

www.lewrockwell.com

Former Illinois National Guard general says troops can't act as law enforcement in Chicago

President Trump on Tuesday claimed, "I have the right to do anything I want" as Chicago waits to see if he will follow through with his threat to send National Guard troops to Chicago.

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[Stuartbirdan2]

Yes, this isn't a commentary on the 13th.

The 14th needs to be seriously rewritten for clarity and to get rid of incorporation.....

Here is an article that has been out there for a long long time......

The Squalid 14th Amendment - LewRockwell

SEC. 1. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection...

www.lewrockwell.com

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Which means the military draft is unconstitutional. Also forced jury duty.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes. And who cares? No one important.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

On a related note, was lincoln really re-elected in 1864. ? Abe did not let southerners vote even though he insisted the confederacy was in rebellion but still part of USA.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Yes. And who cares? No one important.

uranidiot. This is very important and i think even you can see it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

On a related note, was lincoln really re-elected in 1864. ? Abe did not let southerners vote even though he insisted the confederacy was in rebellion but still part of USA.

He was right not to do so. They were in rebellion.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

uranidiot. This is very important and i think even you can see it.

The Amendments, including the 15th, were all legally ratified.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

He was right not to do so. They were in rebellion.

That's the whole point, you nitiwt. Lincoln said the southerners were in rebellion and thus still part of america. He insisted the south was not a separate country. So by lincolns logic he should have let the south vote in 1864. He would have lost by a ton.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That's the whole point, you nitiwt. Lincoln said the southerners were in rebellion and thus still part of america. He insisted the south was not a separate country. So by lincolns logic he should have let the south vote in 1864. He would have lost by a ton.

You mind is scrambled. You don't let those in rebellion vote. The members of the state have to be law abiding and supporting the Constitution and the laws. The scumbag Southerners were anything but.

 

[IM2]

I never heard this argument before, but jared taylor makes it in an article at the unz review. He says it in the middle of this lengthy 3400 word article.

The True Face of the Great Emancipator

Phillip W. Magness and Sebastian N. Page, Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement, University of Missouri Press, 2011, 164 pp., $28.00 (softcover) Abraham Lincoln is revered as one of the greatest heroes of American history. His face is on Mount Rushmore...

www.unz.com

Try not to quote Jared Taylor and don't use garbage from Ron Unz. Both Amendments were passed. So stop trying to bring back slavery and Jim Crow.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Try not to quote Jared Taylor and don't use garbage from Ron Unz. Both Amendments were passed. So stop trying to bring back slavery and Jim Crow.

Even if the Amendments were rescinded, slavery and Jim Crow are as dead as dodos. Society’s mores have changed. The only people to whom either slavery or Jim Crow are important to are racists like you. The rest of us have moved on.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yes. And who cares? No one important.

You care?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Even if the Amendments were rescinded, slavery and Jim Crow are as dead as dodos. Society’s mores have changed. The only people to whom either slavery or Jim Crow are important to are racists like you. The rest of us have moved on.

It needs to be rewritten to get ride of the due process clause or to rewrite it in a way it does not compel states to do anything

 

[HikerGuy83]

You mind is scrambled. You don't let those in rebellion vote. The members of the state have to be law abiding and supporting the Constitution and the laws. The scumbag Southerners were anything but.

But they were still forced into the Union.

They are states. They get a vote.

Funny how you slime can only pass things by going around what is right.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The Amendments, including the 15th, were all legally ratified.

Total lie.