We're Lowering Your Wages

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Neither is today's market.

Absolutely not, that's the problem.

 

[Care4all]

Care4all Wrote:


Because part of being a server is "service." The prompt taking of orders, refilling of drinks, bringing the check, etc. These are things that are necessary to have a pleasant dining out experience that are often the sole responsibility of the server.

If you paid $25 instead of $15.99 for your steak dinner and had a server who didn't check back to see if you needed more sour cream...never refilled your drink after you finished it during the appetizer...took forever to bring your check...and messed up your bill....

Your only real recourse would be to seek out the manager to ask for a refund. The manager would be forced to either give you a discount or a free meal...or risk pissing off a customer.

This way...you can show your displeasure directly to your server, while still paying the restaurant for your food.

Is it a perfect system? No...people often are shitty tippers...sometimes people take out their frustration over food taking a long time on the server, when it isn't the servers fault...and worst of all, some people eat their entire meal and then complain horribly just to get out of paying...

But RodISHIs plan of requiring restaurants to pay servers a "living wage" is, in my opinion...a true recipe for crappy service

i dunno....i agree with all that you said, except that as someone who has spent a lifetime in Retail/Whole sale....i view it the same with customers there, and the good or bad assistance they may get from their sales person....

good customer service brings them back to the store, poor service does not...

so i don't see much of a difference gem....

bad employees are fired and replaced with good salesmen/workers, that's what managers are suppose to do.... yes, easier said than done, but that's the goal....

seems like it should be the same at a restaurant....?

 

[Paulie]

Neither is today's market.

Who claimed it was?

The only ones who call it a free market are the liberals. The free market conservatives know it ISN'T a free market, and would really like to see it be.

You've never witnessed a true free market in your lifetime, and probably never will.

 

[RodISHI]

Absolutely not, that's the problem.

Then we can agree on that "it is not a free market."

 

[Paulie]

Then we can agree on that "it is not a free market."

Yes, we can.

So can the liberals please stop blaming it, since it doesn't exist?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Then we can agree on that "it is not a free market."

Certainly, I have never claimed that it was.

 

[RodISHI]

Since it is not a free market then we should be able to agree that every man/woman should be able to work and make an actual living?

 

[Paulie]

Since it is not a free market then we should be able to agree that every man/woman should be able to work and make an actual living?

This doesn't make any sense.

 

[RodISHI]

This doesn't make any sense.

What does not make sense. The idea that people who want to work and take care of themselves should not be allowed too?

 

[Paulie]

What does not make sense. The idea that people who want to work and take care of themselves should not be allowed too?

You're not entitled to a job. You're entitled to SEEK a job.

So yes, people who want to work should be allowed to.

And they ARE.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You are free to seek a job. You are free to request a certain wage. An employer is free to approve or deny your request.

 

[RodISHI]

You're not entitled to a job. You're entitled to SEEK a job.

So yes, people who want to work should be allowed to.

And they ARE.

You have now given an excellent demonstration of your protectionist philosophy.

When the poor man gets to the pond he is going after your lily pad first.

 

[Paulie]

If you're truely worth what you're asking for, you'll receive it eventually. The market will recognize your worth.

But you aren't entitled to it, Rod. You're only entitled to the opportunity.

 

[Paulie]

You have now given an excellent demonstration of your protectionist philosophy.

When the poor man gets to the pond he is going after your lily pad first.

I protect my lily pad with my 2nd amendment rights, se he can try all he wants.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You have now given an excellent demonstration of your protectionist philosophy.

When the poor man gets to the pond he is going after your lily pad first.

I'm sorry, but it's clear you are completely ignorant on the subject of economics. You don't even understand what a protectionist is.

Ludwig von Mises Institute - Homepage

That would be a good place to start, if you wish to learn about the subject.

 

[RodISHI]

If you're truely worth what you're asking for, you'll receive it eventually. The market will recognize your worth.

But you aren't entitled to it, Rod. You're only entitled to the opportunity.

Who do you consider to be the market?


Actually Rod is sitting next to me he is not the one posting.

 

[RodISHI]

I'm sorry, but it's clear you are completely ignorant on the subject of economics. You don't even understand what a protectionist is.

Ludwig von Mises Institute - Homepage

That would be a good place to start, if you wish to learn about the subject.

You simply do not want to admit to being one. my how the truth hurts.

 

[RodISHI]

i Protect My Lily Pad With My 2nd Amendment Rights, Se He Can Try All He Wants.

Lol

 

[Paulie]

Who do you consider to be the market?


Actually Rod is sitting next to me he is not the one posting.

I consider anyone making a transaction of exchanging goods and services to be a part of the market.

The employment market, specifically in this case, would recognize your worth eventually. That is, prospective employers. Eventually, you will make what you're worth.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You simply do not want to admit to being one. my how the truth hurts.

I think an actual protectionist would probably take offense at you calling Paulitics or myself one. I am a Free Market Libertarian, which would probably make me the antithesis of a protectionist.

Once again...

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