Well, this is awkward...

[cnm]

You did not address anything I posted.

I didn’t say there wasn’t a difference, I am saying is that neither group respects our country or our laws and you posted a big nothing except repeating what you believe. I believe that if we don’t protect our borders and if we don’t insist that people come here legally and respect our laws then we have failed to protect our citizens, nothing extreme in my belief.

No there isn't. Pretending US ag doesn't depend on undocumented foreigners who can't get expedient legality and are therefore easily manipulated is also mainstream belief.

 

[cnm]

The claim for asylum is not valid,

Which must be determined by the courts, to which the asylum seekers have right of access by supreme law of the land.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Immigration reform bills have always included enhanced border security which in the past 20 years has gotten very tight. Obama achieved very high deportation numbers simply because they deported almost everyone who crossed.

That's a good point. Obama deported almost everyone who arrived, yet you all thought Obama was the best president. Where was the outrage?

But then biden came along and the asylum claims soared. From the information I found, asylum claims prior to 2021 were consistent around just under 200k, then in 2021 they sky rocketed to reaching nearly 900k.

The reform bill in 2013 included a tripling of border patrol agents.

So I don’t accept your characterization that it’s a never ending cycle.

It is never ending because of exactly what I said. We've added new border patrol agents, but they cant be effective if they are hamstrung.

 

[Marener]

That's a good point. Obama deported almost everyone who arrived, yet you all thought Obama was the best president. Where was the outrage?

There was some outrage but it wasn’t very mainstream.

But then biden came along and the asylum claims soared. From the information I found, asylum claims prior to 2021 were consistent around just under 200k, then in 2021 they sky rocketed to reaching nearly 900k.

Biden’s permissive asylum policies were an overreaction to the Trump administration’s harsh immigration policies. It was a mistake, they realized it and changed course in 2024 but was too little too late.

It is never ending because of exactly what I said. We've added new border patrol agents, but they cant be effective if they are hamstrung.

Biden was already making changes to asylum processes. Additionally, the border security bill they tried to pass in 2024 would have made meaningful reform to the asylum law, making these claims more easily and quickly dismissed.

But again, republicans have stood in the way of immigration reform over and over.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Which must be determined by the courts, to which the asylum seekers have right of access by supreme law of the land.

Not all asylum claims have to have a court hearing. US border patrol can deny asylum claims if the person has not demonstrated a claim of persecution.

Beyond that, the dems inviting policies have flooded the system with new asylum claims so that the courts are backlogged.

 

[Papageorgio]

They respect our laws enough to avoid committing any other crime other than illegally being in the country.

They’re not harming anyone, if anything they’re helping their communities.

The rational punishment for a victimless crime is a fine, not deportation.

I respectfully disagree, they do not respect our laws or they would come in legally and they don’t. They keep wages down because employers pay them under the table. Sorry, but we need to shut businesses that employ them and never give a job, then they can go home to their country and comeback legally. That is not an extreme stance at all, it is principled stance and wanting those coming here to respect ALL OF OUR LAWS, not just ones that suit them.

 

[OldFlame]

Because of the way it is being done.

This is like a question a child would ask.

How should it be done?

 

[Papageorgio]

Being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal isa felony.

Seems most are willing to overlook the felony.

Charge the employers and send them to jail, it is illegal.

 

[Thinker101]

Exactly what do you think those excerpts prove?

Those excerpts prove how fricken nuts dems have become.

 

[pknopp]

Charge the employers and send them to jail, it is illegal.

Won't happen.

 

[berg80]

they show they don’t respect our laws

Neither does trump but you voted for him to be prez. Just sayin'.

 

[cnm]

Not all asylum claims have to have a court hearing. US border patrol can deny asylum claims if the person has not demonstrated a claim of persecution.

Not according to the supreme law of the land.

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https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/1951-refugee-convention

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The cornerstone of the 1951 Convention is the principle of non-refoulement contained in Article 33. According to this principle, a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.​

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Other rights contained in the 1951 Convention include:​

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• The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32)
• The right not to be punished for irregular entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31)
• The right to non-discrimination (Articles 3 and 5)
• The right to decent work (Articles 17 to 19 and 24)
• The right to housing, land and property, including intellectual property (Articles 13, 14 and 21)
• The right to education (Article 22)
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4)
• The right to access to justice (Article 16)
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26 and Article 31 (2))
• The right to be issued civil, identity and travel documents (Articles 12, 27 and 28)
• The right to social protection (Articles 23 and 24 (2-4)).

 

[berg80]

It would have passed if Obama hadn't blown large majorities.

Blaming Repub obstruction of a bill that passed in the Senate with strong bipartisan support. trumpery at it's worst.

 

[pknopp]

Blaming Repub obstruction of a bill that passed in the Senate with strong bipartisan support. trumpery at it's worst.

Obama promised Hispanics to address immigration right from the start. He did nothing.

Hispanics know this which is why Democrats have lost support.

 

[Papageorgio]

Neither does trump but you voted for him to be prez. Just sayin'.

I didn’t vote for him, just sayin’.

 

[g5000]

Seems like the dems used to take the GOP position. What happened? Why, now, are the dems rebuffing all the words of those they supported?

Everyone agrees violent criminal illegals should be deported. You aren't revealing anything new.

No one but Trump has regularly deported American citizens just because they are brown.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Not according to the supreme law of the land.

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https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/1951-refugee-convention

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The cornerstone of the 1951 Convention is the principle of non-refoulement contained in Article 33. According to this principle, a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.​

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Other rights contained in the 1951 Convention include:​

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• The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32)
• The right not to be punished for irregular entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31)
• The right to non-discrimination (Articles 3 and 5)
• The right to decent work (Articles 17 to 19 and 24)
• The right to housing, land and property, including intellectual property (Articles 13, 14 and 21)
• The right to education (Article 22)
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4)
• The right to access to justice (Article 16)
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26 and Article 31 (2))
• The right to be issued civil, identity and travel documents (Articles 12, 27 and 28)
• The right to social protection (Articles 23 and 24 (2-4)).

Article 33. According to this principle, a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.

Questions and Answers: Credible Fear Screening | USCIS

ALERT: Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final RuleOn Aug. 3, 2023,

www.uscis.gov

If an asylum officer determines you dont have a credible fear and you do not appeal to a judge, they can remove you from the US.