Welcome to Rank-Choice voting

[Augustine_]

NOTHING saves them -- not EVEN RCV in a 49 person Jungle primary. It's ALL NOISE and slime. No debate. Not possible. The PARTIES should narrow down candidates in their OWN primary processes and INVITE Independents to vote as well if they CHOOSE to do so.

Candidates are supposed to represent all voters, not just partisans and dark money donors. If you just add ranked choice voting to primaries that alone would be a great improvement.

 

[occupied]

These GIMMICKS when viewed from ALL the different voting processes in the various states that are being foisted on people -- make it EXTREMELY "messy". And peoples eyes glaze over when I talk about the complexities of ballot access for Indies and 3rd parties. It's understandable.

Lets NOT MAKE IT WORSE... This gets fixed at your STATE level. NOT by following the Dems "bad idea" bureau and FEDERALIZING elections.

It's scary isn't it? Forcing voters to make informed choices about who they vote for and having a real selection of eager to please everyone candidates? Extremists and rich jerks funding their own vanity campaign would not have a chance.

 

[MinTrut]

Ranked-Choice Voting: How does it work?

Ranked-choice voting offers a solution. It is a system that accurately represents voters’ preferences. It makes sure that the winner is the candidate with the most support, even if they are not everyone’s top choice.

www.commoncause.org

States are beginning to adopt this new voting method.

To save you the time and trouble, democrats love this as to Never Trumpsters

Why? Because had this sort of voting method been used for the election of 2016, Trump never would have won

It's all about stopping Orange man, and anyone like him in the future.

Democrats & other assorted idiots love it.

But it's 100% scam.

 

[MinTrut]

These GIMMICKS when viewed from ALL the different voting processes in the various states that are being foisted on people -- make it EXTREMELY "messy". And peoples eyes glaze over when I talk about the complexities of ballot access for Indies and 3rd parties. It's understandable.

Lets NOT MAKE IT WORSE... This gets fixed at your STATE level. NOT by following the Dems "bad idea" bureau and FEDERALIZING elections.

Yup.

This is just another scam masquerading as positive change while the rigged two party system even FURTHER cements its poisonous stranglehold.

 

[Augustine_]

Democrats & other assorted idiots love it.

But it's 100% scam.

^ "My lunatics would never get elected if that happened"

 

[MinTrut]

That's a BS advertisement for RCVoting. The voting laws are SO DIFFERENT between states now -- that's it's hard to MAKE ANY generalizations about "party power" or RCV. For instance in states that run primaries FOR THE DEMS and REPS -- Those PARTIES NARROW DOWN the 4 or 10 candidates to ONE that appears on the FINAL GENERAL ELECT. ballot. And RCV does LITERALLY NOTHING on those GENERAL final election ballots other than weed out 3rd parties and MOST Independents.

TOO MANY STATES are just tossing EVERYONE in on one big JUNGLE primary. Then they determine the "top 2 or 3 or 4" that can BE on General election ballot. There can be as many 50 or 60 candidates on that JUNGLE ballot. Before you even DISCUSS RCV -- you have to GET RID of the WIDE open or Jungle primaries. Because that's how you CREATE "a one party state" and PRESERVE IT.

Because NOBODY that doesn't survive the JUNGLE in the PRIMARY will get to RUN an election campaign. They wont BE on the final ballot. For INDEPENDENTS -- who dont NEED PRIMARIES -- this is an insurmountable challenge. Because the JUNGLE is FORCING them to run and spend time and money on the primaries where there is MAXIMUM NOISE and hardly any chance of debate. You CANT HAVE a 40 person ON STAGE primary debate. The 2 corrupt BRAND NAME PARTIES have just LOCKED all Independents OUT of a meaningful campaign.

For 3rd parties like Greens, Libertarians, etc -- the effect is similar. Because 3rd parties use THEIR OWN caucuses/conventions/mail-ins to determine THE candidate. And the 2 "brand name" parties are USURPING that right and TOSSING them also "into the jungle -- with same insurmountable extra effort/expenses ON TOP of paying and accomplishing 50 party petitions for each state.

So in the case of JUNGLE primaries -- it matters not a whit what the effect of RCV is UNLESS a voter is FORCED TO CHOOSE a Dem or Repub as a 2nd or 3rd choice to remain relevant. LATELY -- all those Dem/Rep choices are worst of BOTH evils.

We can DISCUSS the role of RCV in a 40 choice primary -- but Like i said -- the "BRAND NAME" parties ALREADY have superiority if the state uses Jungle "all on one ballot" primaries. And the EFFECT of RCV in a Jungle primary is just to TOSS OUT voter preferences. Not to SATISFY the voter. And they are TRUELY TOSSED OUT --- as in those votes that get bounced out on each round -- they DONT EVEN MATTER to getting a "majority" of the people who VOTED in the first round. If you only have TWO viable choices and LOSE BOTH OF THOSE -- your votes did not count toward the majority goalline of number required to win in the LATER rounds.

So RCV makes IDIOTS believe that when you use RCV for a 40 person race and the winner of the final four GETS 26% or MORE of the "total" vote -- that's a sham. Because the votes for 36 candidates that "fell out" DIDN'T COUNT for the final percentages --- it just SOUNDS MORE Democratic, but its not. It's STILL FAR LESS than the 26% of the TOTAL number of people voting.

^ Gets it, and thread win.

 

[MinTrut]

^ "My lunatics would never get elected if that happened"

Thanks for your honesty, but you're incorrect.

Your deranged Nazi party is helped by this, as you know.

 

[flacaltenn]

Candidates are supposed to represent all voters, not just partisans and dark money donors. If you just add ranked choice voting to primaries that alone would be a great improvement.

Think about what you said above. A god-like creature could not appeal to ALL voters as long as so much STUPID opinion and policy runs rampant. WHEN you're ELECTED -- you should take each argument as if you're hearing it for the FIRST TIME and RE-EVALUATE your preconcieved notions. But to run -- it would nothing but RANK PANDERING to try and please eveyone. You speak what you consider truth when you run. Let voters decide if you are OPEN minded enough to fair.

 

[Augustine_]

Think about what you said above. A god-like creature could not appeal to ALL voters as long as so much STUPID opinion and policy runs rampant.

The very opinion and policy fueled by winner takes all

WHEN you're ELECTED -- you should take each argument as if you're hearing it for the FIRST TIME and RE-EVALUATE your preconcieved notions.

Nobody does that. That's not what they were elected for. They're there to stop and villianize the voters and representatives on the other side.

 

[flacaltenn]

The very opinion and policy fueled by winner takes all

Nobody does that. That's not what they were elected for. They're there to stop and villianize the voters and representatives on the other side.

Sure. Like Dark Brandon meme the WHouse was pushing tonight to INCITE division and BAIT "the other side" into doing something stupid? All that was missing was an F-15 on stage to keep those dangerous people who OPPOSE him in check.

The villianizing STOPS when ISSUES WIN. And when candidates and elected officials SOLVE problems and NOT create them.

 

[Augustine_]

Sure. Like Dark Brandon meme the WHouse was pushing tonight to INCITE division and BAIT "the other side" into doing something stupid? All that was missing was an F-15 on stage to keep those dangerous people who OPPOSE him in check.

The villianizing STOPS when ISSUES WIN. And when candidates and elected officials SOLVE problems and NOT create them.

The same Biden who was elected in a winner takes all primary and then a winner takes all election? Hmm. Issues don't matter in all or nothing. Only stopping the other side matters.

 

[flacaltenn]

The same Biden who was elected in a winner takes all primary and then a winner takes all election? Hmm. Issues don't matter in all or nothing. Only stopping the other side matters.

Took you only 11 minutes to flop from SATISFYING EVERYONE to "win at all costs". This is because YOU dont put skin in the game. Let's play with something more topical.

THE FIRST ACT in the House under Brandon was HR1 to FEDERALIZE elections and make permanent the extra-legal and ILLEGAL court decisions that tainted the security, accuracy, and timeliness of the 2020 election.

Do YOU SUPPORT "federalizing" election law? Try to satisfy EVERYONE now. You wouldn't want to be more hypocritical than the last 2 or 3 posts.

 

[bodecea]

Ranked-Choice Voting: How does it work?

Ranked-choice voting offers a solution. It is a system that accurately represents voters’ preferences. It makes sure that the winner is the candidate with the most support, even if they are not everyone’s top choice.

www.commoncause.org

States are beginning to adopt this new voting method.

To save you the time and trouble, democrats love this as to Never Trumpsters

Why? Because had this sort of voting method been used for the election of 2016, Trump never would have won

It's all about stopping Orange man, and anyone like him in the future.

Republicans in Alaska voted for that, did they not?

 

[bodecea]

That's how it has been disingenuously sold....The results thus far have been that it makes it easier for establismentarian leftist to win.

Alaskan Republicans voted for it, did they not?

 

[Papageorgio]

It's a solution to the two party system and their political machines' monopoly on power. That absolutely frightens those who are like things just the way they are where candidates get to choose their voters.

People who like it the way it is? Like the power hungry Democrats and Republicans?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ranked-Choice Voting: How does it work?

Ranked-choice voting offers a solution. It is a system that accurately represents voters’ preferences. It makes sure that the winner is the candidate with the most support, even if they are not everyone’s top choice.

www.commoncause.org

States are beginning to adopt this new voting method.

To save you the time and trouble, democrats love this as to Never Trumpsters

Why? Because had this sort of voting method been used for the election of 2016, Trump never would have won

It's all about stopping Orange man, and anyone like him in the future.

The never Trumpers are so smart they came up with this system a decade before Trump even thought about running for POTUS

 

[Augustine_]

Took you only 11 minutes to flop from SATISFYING EVERYONE to "win at all costs".

Win at all costs is fueled by winner takes all voting so I don't know what you mean.

 

[whitehall]

Rank Choice voting? Ultra left wing "Common Cause" wants to "structure the vote" in November when polls indicate that democrats are doomed. No surprise here.

 

[flacaltenn]

Win at all costs is fueled by winner takes all voting so I don't know what you mean.

It's ALWAYS "winner takes all" in the end. RCV OR NOT. It just picks LESS popular "winners". This facade that a 2nd or 3rd choice is ANY BETTER than two bad choices is a gimmick.

ONE person at the end gets a job. If 2 or 3 are running in a FINAL election, not a primary -- there is NO freakin use for RCV.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Yeah imagine having to run campaigns for all the citizens of your constituency instead of only the partisans you need to motivate. That would be terrible.

But that's the idea because Democrats ARE the enemy. they need to be defeated at all costs.