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I see the new focus is on the son-in-law, who has very little to do with anything.
Yeah, Jared is just a bystander.





Let's see here, what were the lefties complaining about before this problem? Oh yes, that's right, Trump doesn't listen to anybody. Trump thinks he's the expert on every subject. Trump ignores the advice of experts. Everybody must look up to Trump for him to be happy.
We've been complaining about the undue influence Kushner has for a long time. This is a guy who couldn't get a security clearance because of his shady international dealings. Now it's come back to bite us in the ass.


Now I posted several links where the bureaucracies took charge, and Trump stayed out of the way, and now the wind has shifted direction. Trump should have interfered in the FDA. Trump should have not waited for WHO to sound the warning alarms. Trump should have overridden the CDC and take matters into his own hands.
Again, we are in this problem because Trump was warned in December that this was an issue and he didn't take action until Mid-March when the bodies started piling up.
 

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Trump was following the advice of his CDC scientists, moron. Isn't that what all you dumbasses keep saying he should do?
Not in this matter, no. If we had a test in december, even an imperfect one, we should have been using it, instead of letting white people back in who were infected while keeping non-whites out.
 

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So now you are pinning the extremely leftist AP against the leftist FactCheck. John Bolton said they are FOS. It wouldn't have made any difference:

On Saturday, John Bolton, a former Trump national security adviser, dismissed claims that “streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation’s bio defense are false.″ In a tweet, he said global health “remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just can’t stop attacking, even in a crisis.″
Newsflash. Guy who took action that killed thousands of people claims he didn't do anything bad.

Now, I'd have a who new respect for Bolton if he manned up and commited public suicide for his failure, but this was one of the idiots who brought us the Iraq War, that killed 5,000 Americans and a million Iraqis.
 

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No, shitstain....you posted "kids wheeled out of schools." You are changing it to all kids because you know the number of kids killed in mass public school shootings is tiny....less than those killed in bathtubs each year......you lying asshat....
Oh, it's okay! Those kids were murdered in their houses, or on the street, or in a movie theater. That makes it OKAY!!!!

Fuck off, gun nuts. When Trump's gone, you fuckers are going to get yours.
 

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So now you are pinning the extremely leftist AP against the leftist FactCheck. John Bolton said they are FOS. It wouldn't have made any difference:

On Saturday, John Bolton, a former Trump national security adviser, dismissed claims that “streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation’s bio defense are false.″ In a tweet, he said global health “remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just can’t stop attacking, even in a crisis.″
Newsflash. Guy who took action that killed thousands of people claims he didn't do anything bad.

Now, I'd have a who new respect for Bolton if he manned up and commited public suicide for his failure, but this was one of the idiots who brought us the Iraq War, that killed 5,000 Americans and a million Iraqis.
Changing subjects I see. Not a good strategy when losing an argument; too transparent.

You people let the MSM and Democrat party pull your puppet strings that it's almost amusing if it were not such a serious subject. Wasn't Bolton your hero on the left during the impeachment trial? You know, the guy that knew everything? Now he's pond scum because he doesn't align with your brainwashing.

Just so you know, that quote I posted is FROM YOUR SITE. Now you have two people in the beltway that stated this stupid pandemic team wouldn't have made a difference.
 

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We've been complaining about the undue influence Kushner has for a long time. This is a guy who couldn't get a security clearance because of his shady international dealings. Now it's come back to bite us in the ass.
So what? You voted for a woman that couldn't get White House security clearance unless she was elected President.

Again, we are in this problem because Trump was warned in December that this was an issue and he didn't take action until Mid-March when the bodies started piling up.
Repeating a lie enough doesn't make it the truth. I posted what the bureaucracies and Trump did on a timeline to show you what a liar you are. The problem with you on the left is that we can show you grass, tell you it's green, and you'd insist it's purple.

NOBODY KNEW how serious this could possible be. That's why over a hundred countries are having problems just like us with this virus. China hid evidence from us and the world, and still are according to reporting I have read. And you better thank God Hillary lost. Otherwise we'd still be getting flights in from China, because Democrats care more about foreigners than they do you.
 

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Changing subjects I see. Not a good strategy when losing an argument; too transparent.
Naw, you just have to give me a little better evidence than the guy who did it. I mean, John Gacy claimed someone else buried those bodies under his house all the way up until the day he got the hot-shot, and I didn't believe him, either.

You people let the MSM and Democrat party pull your puppet strings that it's almost amusing if it were not such a serious subject. Wasn't Bolton your hero on the left during the impeachment trial? You know, the guy that knew everything? Now he's pond scum because he doesn't align with your brainwashing.
Well, we wouldn't know... Frankly, I would have seen Bolton testifying kind of like the way I saw Sammy the Bull testifying. He didn't suddenly become a hero. He's always the same asshole he's always been. But he would have testified that Trump was shaking down the Ukraine, which was the only point we were interested in.

Which is why Trump blocked him from testifying.

John Gotti should have thought of that.

So what? You voted for a woman that couldn't get White House security clearance unless she was elected President.
Except she had one as Secretary of State and Senator... so there's that.

Repeating a lie enough doesn't make it the truth. I posted what the bureaucracies and Trump did on a timeline to show you what a liar you are. The problem with you on the left is that we can show you grass, tell you it's green, and you'd insist it's purple.
10,000 dead bodies as of today. Whatever he did, it didn't work. He clearly didn't do enough.

NOBODY KNEW how serious this could possible be.
No, everyone knew how serious this could be. They were warning that in January, and Trump didn't listen.
 

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Everyone with a brain agrees round 1 and round 2 of stimulus checks are the most prudent and wisest thing the nation can do until June 1st because people aren't going back to work may 1st.
 

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Ummm people knew how serious this would be. That being said I don't blame Trump but I believe hundreds of experts knew this was coming. Now all we can do is stay shut down at least for a couple of months.
 

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10,000 dead bodies as of today. Whatever he did, it didn't work. He clearly didn't do enough.
Apparently no country did enough because everybody has it.

No, everyone knew how serious this could be. They were warning that in January, and Trump didn't listen.
If everybody knew how serious it would be, how is it nearly every country has it? Trump did listen. I posted the timeline of what was revealed, and what Trump or the bureaucracies did about it. It didn't start getting serious until March.
 

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If everybody knew how serious it would be, how is it nearly every country has it? Trump did listen. I posted the timeline of what was revealed, and what Trump or the bureaucracies did about it. It didn't start getting serious until March.
How about this timeline of Trump's negligence? From a CONSERVATIVE website.


ebruary 2018: The Washington Post writes “CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak.” The meat of the story is “Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China, Pakistan, Haiti, Rwanda and Congo.”

May 2018:

  • At an event marking the 100 year anniversary of the 1918 pandemic, Borio says “pandemic flu” is the “number 1 health security issue” and that the U.S. is not ready to respond.
  • One day later her boss, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer is pushed out of the administration and the global health security team is disbanded.
  • Rep. Ami Bera warns that “Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola.”
  • Beth Cameron, former senior director for global health security on the National Security Council adds: “It is unclear in his absence who at the White House would be in charge of a pandemic,” Cameron said, calling it “a situation that should be immediately rectified.”
    • Note: It was not.
January 2019: The director of National Intelligence issues the U.S. Intelligence Community’s assessment of threats to national security. Among its findings:

  • Page 17: “The increase in frequency and diversity of reported disease outbreaks—such as dengue and Zika—probably will continue through 2018, including the potential for a severe global health emergency that could lead to major economic and societal disruptions, strain governmental and international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support. A novel strain of a virulent microbe that is easily transmissible between humans continues to be a major threat, with pathogens such as H5N1 and H7N9 influenza and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus having pandemic potential if they were to acquire efficient human-to-human transmissibility.”
  • Page 21: “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”
September, 2019: The Trump Administration ended the pandemic early warning program, PREDICT, which trained scientists in China and other countries to identify viruses that had the potential to turn into pandemics. According to the Los Angeles Times, “field work ceased when funding ran out in September,” two months before COVID-19 emerged in Wuhan Province, China. On April 1, 2020 USAID used emergency powers to reboot the program.

2020: COVID-19 Arrives
January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)

January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.

  • Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.
January 8, 2020: The CDC issues an official health advisory about COVID-19.

January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”

January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.

January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.

January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”

January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”

January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:

  • (1) Expand testing to identify and isolate cases.
    • Note: This did not happen for many weeks. The first time more than 2,000 tests were deployed in a single day was not until almost six weeks later, on March 11.
  • (2) Boost flu vaccination efforts to reduce the load on hospitals.
  • (3) Prepare hospital units for isolation with more gowns and masks.
  • (4) Vaccine development.
January 29, 2020: Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro circulates an internal memo warning that America is “defenseless” in the face of an outbreak which “elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.”

January 29, 2020: The New York Times reports that “mask hoarders” may cause further shortages when the outbreak reaches America.

January 29, 2020: Republican Senator Tom Cotton reaches out to President Trump in private to encourage him to take the virus seriously.

January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.

Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China. This decision has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.

  • Trump’s Chinese travel ban only banned “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” This wording did not—at all—stop people from arriving in America from China. In fact, for much of the crisis, flights from China landed in America almost daily filled with people who had been in China, but did not fit the category as Trump’s “travel ban” defined it.
January 31, 2020: On the same day Trump was enacting his fake travel ban, Foreign Policy reports that face masks and latex gloves are sold out on Amazon and at leading stores in New York City and suggests the surge in masks being sold to other countries needs “refereeing” in the face of the coming crisis.

February 4, 2020: Gottlieb and Borio take to the WSJ again, this time to warn the president that “a pandemic seems inevitable” and call on the administration to dramatically expand testing, expand the number of labs for reviewing tests, and change the rules to allow for tests of people even if they don’t have a clear known risk factor.
  • Note: Some of these recommendations were eventually implemented—25 days later.
February 4 or 5, 2020: Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response, and other intelligence officials brief the Senate Intelligence Committee that the virus poses a “serious” threat and that “Americans would need to take actions that could disrupt their daily lives.”

February 5, 2020: HHS Secretary Alex Azar requests $2 billion to “buy respirator masks and other supplies for a depleted federal stockpile of emergency medical equipment.” He is rebuffed by Trump and the White House OMB who eventually send Congress a $500 million request weeks later.
 

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More from that article.

February 9, 2020: The Washington Post reports that a group of governors participated in a jarring meeting with Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield that was much more alarmist than what they were hearing from Trump. “The doctors and the scientists, they were telling us then exactly what they are saying now,” Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said.

February 12, 2020: Gottlieb (remember, he’s the former head of Trump’s FDA) testifies before Congress that actions must be taken to address medical supply chain issues and the possibility of shortages.

February 20, 2020: Borio and Gottlieb write in the Wall Street Journal that tests must be ramped up immediately “while we can intervene to stop spread.”

  • It’s important to understand that the Trump campaign brags about the fact that the administration lifted CDC restrictions on tests. This is a factually true statement.
  • But it elides that fact that they did so on March 3—two critical weeks after the third Borio/Gottlieb op-ed on the topic, during which time the window for intervention had shrunk to a pinhole.
February 23, 2020: Harvard School of Public Health professor issues warning on lack of test capability: “As of today, the US remains extremely limited in#COVID19 testing. Only 3 of ~100 public health labs haveCDC test kits working and CDC is not sharing what went wrong with the kits. How to know if COVID19 is spreading here if we are not looking for it.

February 24, 2020: The Trump administration sends a letter to Congress requesting a small dollar amount—between $1.8 billion and $2.5 billion—to help combat the spread of the coronavirus. This is, of course, a pittance compared to the massive recovery package still being debated at the time of this writing. At the time the administration was widely criticized by members of Congress for not going big enough to deal with the problem.

February 25, 2020: Messonier says she expects “community spread” of the virus in the United States and that “disruption to everyday life might be severe.” Trump is reportedly furious and Messonier’s warnings are curtailed in the ensuing weeks.

February 26, 2020: Congress, recognizing the coming threat, offers to give the administration $6 billion more than Trump asked for in order to prepare for the virus.

  • Trump mocks Congressin a White House briefing, saying “If Congress wants to give us the money so easy—it wasn’t very easy for the wall, but we got that one done. If they want to give us the money, we’ll take the money.”
    • Note: The wall did not get “done.” Trump never got sufficient funding for completion of his promised border wall and in any case, as of early February 2020, only 110 miles of new fencing had been constructed.
February 27, 2020: In a leaked audio recording Sen. Richard Burr, chairman of the Intelligence Committee and author of the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA) and the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (reauthorization of PAHPA), was telling people that COVID-19 “is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

March 3, 2020: Vice President Pence is asked about legislation encouraging companies to produce more masks. He says the Trump administration is “looking at it.”

  • Note: Recall that the concern about masks was raised publicly by high-profile former Trump appointees, on January 28.
March 4, 2020: HHS says they only have 1 percent of respirator masks needed if the virus became a “full-blown pandemic.”

March 7, 2020: Fox News host Tucker Carlson, flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the virus seriously in private rather than embarrass him on TV. Even after the private meeting, Trump continued to downplay the crisis, forcing Carlson to obliquely criticize him publicly on his show two nights later.

  • Note: Carlson, after hearing from an expert with “access to intelligence” who was concerned about the virus began covering the issue on his show February 3rd, over a month prior to the private meeting.This is a good glimpse into how a competent populist might’ve acted.
March 9, 2020: Tom Bossert, Trump’s former Homeland Security adviser, publishes an op-ed saying it is “now or never” to act. He advocates for social distancing and school closures to slow the spread of the contagion.

March 16, 2020: Trump announces his support for a 15-day period of social distancing in order to slow the spread of coronavirus.

March 17, 2020: Facing continued shortages of the PPE equipment needed to prevent healthcare providers from succumbing to the virus, Oregon Senators Jeff Merkeley and Ron Wyden call on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to expand supply of medical equipment.

March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.

  • Trump responds: “Well we’re going to know whether or not it’s urgent.”
  • Note: At this point 118 Americans had died from COVID-19.
March 20, 2020: At an April 2nd White House Press Conference, President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner who was made ad hoc point man for the coronavirus response said that on this date he began working with Rear Admiral John Polowczyk to “build a team” that would handle the logistics and supply chain for providing medical supplies to the states. This suggestion was first made by former Trump Administration officials January 28th.

March 22, 2020: Six days after calling for a 15-day period of distancing, Trump tweets that this approach “may be worse than the problem itself.”

March 24, 2020:
Trump tells Fox News that he wants the country opened up by Easter Sunday (April 12).

  • Trump says, “You will have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time and it is just about the timeline that I think is right.”
  • As Trump was speaking to Fox, there were 52,145 confirmed cases in the United States and the doubling time for daily new cases was roughly four days.
    • The pace of the viral spread was increasing.
    • Testing was still in the process of ramping up, and unavailable in many areas.
    • Doctors were still “desperate” for masks and other basic PPE supplies.


 

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More from that article.

February 9, 2020: The Washington Post reports that a group of governors participated in a jarring meeting with Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Robert Redfield that was much more alarmist than what they were hearing from Trump. “The doctors and the scientists, they were telling us then exactly what they are saying now,” Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said.

February 12, 2020: Gottlieb (remember, he’s the former head of Trump’s FDA) testifies before Congress that actions must be taken to address medical supply chain issues and the possibility of shortages.

February 20, 2020: Borio and Gottlieb write in the Wall Street Journal that tests must be ramped up immediately “while we can intervene to stop spread.”

  • It’s important to understand that the Trump campaign brags about the fact that the administration lifted CDC restrictions on tests. This is a factually true statement.
  • But it elides that fact that they did so on March 3—two critical weeks after the third Borio/Gottlieb op-ed on the topic, during which time the window for intervention had shrunk to a pinhole.
February 23, 2020: Harvard School of Public Health professor issues warning on lack of test capability: “As of today, the US remains extremely limited in#COVID19 testing. Only 3 of ~100 public health labs haveCDC test kits working and CDC is not sharing what went wrong with the kits. How to know if COVID19 is spreading here if we are not looking for it.

February 24, 2020: The Trump administration sends a letter to Congress requesting a small dollar amount—between $1.8 billion and $2.5 billion—to help combat the spread of the coronavirus. This is, of course, a pittance compared to the massive recovery package still being debated at the time of this writing. At the time the administration was widely criticized by members of Congress for not going big enough to deal with the problem.

February 25, 2020: Messonier says she expects “community spread” of the virus in the United States and that “disruption to everyday life might be severe.” Trump is reportedly furious and Messonier’s warnings are curtailed in the ensuing weeks.

February 26, 2020: Congress, recognizing the coming threat, offers to give the administration $6 billion more than Trump asked for in order to prepare for the virus.

  • Trump mocks Congressin a White House briefing, saying “If Congress wants to give us the money so easy—it wasn’t very easy for the wall, but we got that one done. If they want to give us the money, we’ll take the money.”
    • Note: The wall did not get “done.” Trump never got sufficient funding for completion of his promised border wall and in any case, as of early February 2020, only 110 miles of new fencing had been constructed.
February 27, 2020: In a leaked audio recording Sen. Richard Burr, chairman of the Intelligence Committee and author of the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA) and the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (reauthorization of PAHPA), was telling people that COVID-19 “is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

March 3, 2020: Vice President Pence is asked about legislation encouraging companies to produce more masks. He says the Trump administration is “looking at it.”

  • Note: Recall that the concern about masks was raised publicly by high-profile former Trump appointees, on January 28.
March 4, 2020: HHS says they only have 1 percent of respirator masks needed if the virus became a “full-blown pandemic.”

March 7, 2020: Fox News host Tucker Carlson, flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the virus seriously in private rather than embarrass him on TV. Even after the private meeting, Trump continued to downplay the crisis, forcing Carlson to obliquely criticize him publicly on his show two nights later.

  • Note: Carlson, after hearing from an expert with “access to intelligence” who was concerned about the virus began covering the issue on his show February 3rd, over a month prior to the private meeting.This is a good glimpse into how a competent populist might’ve acted.
March 9, 2020: Tom Bossert, Trump’s former Homeland Security adviser, publishes an op-ed saying it is “now or never” to act. He advocates for social distancing and school closures to slow the spread of the contagion.

March 16, 2020: Trump announces his support for a 15-day period of social distancing in order to slow the spread of coronavirus.

March 17, 2020: Facing continued shortages of the PPE equipment needed to prevent healthcare providers from succumbing to the virus, Oregon Senators Jeff Merkeley and Ron Wyden call on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to expand supply of medical equipment.

March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.

  • Trump responds: “Well we’re going to know whether or not it’s urgent.”
  • Note: At this point 118 Americans had died from COVID-19.
March 20, 2020: At an April 2nd White House Press Conference, President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner who was made ad hoc point man for the coronavirus response said that on this date he began working with Rear Admiral John Polowczyk to “build a team” that would handle the logistics and supply chain for providing medical supplies to the states. This suggestion was first made by former Trump Administration officials January 28th.

March 22, 2020: Six days after calling for a 15-day period of distancing, Trump tweets that this approach “may be worse than the problem itself.”

March 24, 2020:
Trump tells Fox News that he wants the country opened up by Easter Sunday (April 12).

  • Trump says, “You will have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time and it is just about the timeline that I think is right.”
  • As Trump was speaking to Fox, there were 52,145 confirmed cases in the United States and the doubling time for daily new cases was roughly four days.
    • The pace of the viral spread was increasing.
    • Testing was still in the process of ramping up, and unavailable in many areas.
    • Doctors were still “desperate” for masks and other basic PPE supplies.


So which one is the conservative web site? I never heard of this Bulwark before, and the WP is a commie news outlet. This Bulwark is no conservative site. I can tell that by the lies and what they are writing about. If anything, it's another liberal rag.

It says that Trump cut the CDC by 80% which is a pure lie. As my FactCheck article points out, Trump did include CDC cuts in his budget, but the House didn't allow the cuts. Furthermore is that DumBama did the exact same, and the Republican House didn't allow it either. In any case, I never heard where the CDC couldn't do a better job because of money.
 

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So which one is the conservative web site? I never heard of this Bulwark before, and the WP is a commie news outlet. This Bulwark is no conservative site. I can tell that by the lies and what they are writing about. If anything, it's another liberal rag.
No, it's those few Conservatives who haven't drunk deep of the orange koolaid. You guys stopped being Conservative when Cheeto Jesus signed a two trillion dollar welfare bill.

It says that Trump cut the CDC by 80% which is a pure lie. As my FactCheck article points out, Trump did include CDC cuts in his budget, but the House didn't allow the cuts. Furthermore is that DumBama did the exact same, and the Republican House didn't allow it either. In any case, I never heard where the CDC couldn't do a better job because of money.
Tell you what, let's cut your salary by 80%, and your maintenance costs by 80%, and then see how good of a job you do.
 

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No, it's those few Conservatives who haven't drunk deep of the orange koolaid. You guys stopped being Conservative when Cheeto Jesus signed a two trillion dollar welfare bill.
You mean the one the Democrat Congress wrote?

Tell you what, let's cut your salary by 80%, and your maintenance costs by 80%, and then see how good of a job you do.
Except it never happened. Need I post the factcheck link again?
 

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No, shitstain....you posted "kids wheeled out of schools." You are changing it to all kids because you know the number of kids killed in mass public school shootings is tiny....less than those killed in bathtubs each year......you lying asshat....
Oh, it's okay! Those kids were murdered in their houses, or on the street, or in a movie theater. That makes it OKAY!!!!

Fuck off, gun nuts. When Trump's gone, you fuckers are going to get yours.
Come get me asshole.
 
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Fuck off, gun nuts. When Trump's gone, you fuckers are going to get yours.
LMAO! This is the same asshole who said (and I quote) “the Republican’s will never win the White House again”. :laugh:

Snowflake...you can’t win. You’re on the wrong side of history. You’re on the wrong side of morality. You’re on the wrong side of facts. And to top it all off, you’re party is a complete and total dumpster-fire. The best you have to offer is a doddering old socialist and a stuttering old Alzheimer’s patient. :laugh:
 

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LMAO! This is the same asshole who said (and I quote) “the Republican’s will never win the White House again”.
They haven't. They had to cheat in 2016.

Snowflake...you can’t win. You’re on the wrong side of history. You’re on the wrong side of morality. You’re on the wrong side of facts. And to top it all off, you’re party is a complete and total dumpster-fire. The best you have to offer is a doddering old socialist and a stuttering old Alzheimer’s patient.
Yet Biden is leading Trump by 10 points in the polls... and that's BEFORE we see the full effect of Trump Recession.

This next election is going to be a disaster for you guys... worse than 2008.
 

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