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I won't have them for COVID-19.2 but for COVID-19 they last for life. The fake convalescent plasma? Regeneron? Yes, that seems to work. The Red Cross literally begs me to give and I am happy to help. And you're correct if I get it again I won't have symptoms or if I do they'll be very mild as my body will adjust quicker.

What I don't get is that they told us initially not to touch our faces as thats how it spreads and now they are telling us to touch our faces repeatedly with the masks so no wonder the virus is spiking.
Touching your face won't hurt anything, it's putting your fingers in your eyes, nose or mouth.

So I read, if this mutates, it does so to a lesser and lesser degree each time. That means less severity with symptoms and of course, less deaths. If I were in your position, I wouldn't wear a mask either. The chances of getting Covid are slim to start off with yet alone the chance of catching a different form of it.
There is some evidence that a particular mutation makes the virus more infectious and therefore harder to stop but there is no evidence that the mutation makes it more severe. This information comes from one lab that has examined a mutation that made the spike stronger and therefore better able to maintain its shape. Other labs examining other mutation have other results.

The term 'mutation' tends to conjure up images of dangerous new viruses with enhanced abilities sweeping across the planet. The fact is mutations are the bedrock on which natural selection can act. Most commonly mutations will render a virus non-functional or have no effect whatsoever. Yet the potential for mutations to affect transmissibility does exist. As a result, there have been intense efforts to determine which, if any, of the mutations may significantly alter viral function. Mutations that effect the spike protein, the protein that gives coronaviruses their characteristic crown-like projections and allows it to attach to host cells are the ones that are of most interest because they can effect transmissibility.

So far there have been over 13,000 mutations observed and more appear everyday. That's life in world of viruses.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/coronavirus-mutations-not-necessarily-cause-for-alarm/#:~:text=Bad news and good news about coronavirus mutation&text=If the bad news is,of COVID–19 more severe.

Coronavirus Mutations: What We've Learned So Far
 
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Dude I’m in the medical instruments business. Hospitals are my customers and I’ve been in these hospitals many many times even during this crisis. I can walk you through from step one to ICU to deaths.

Yes of course Respiratory specialist, highly qualified nurses and doctors have the training but for some idiots to say they over ventilated because they don’t know how to use that damn thing. Is just plain stupid. That’s what I meant.
What I was responding to is your claim a high school kid can run a ventilator when they can't, at least not without some training or instructions from another person. When a ventilator came in, I had to clean it and do an official manufacture check each time. The process took about an hour per ventilator.
 

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You have no clue of what you are talking about. Of course I have to ask you to prove of what you are saying because all what you are saying is just an opinion coming from anti MW and mostly BS. It will be very stupid for me to accept just an opinion with out proof.

Again my employees that starts at $16+ as I mentioned the latest was 3 years. At this point theres nobody that makes $16+/hour because I give increases every year. PAY ATTENTION.

***1. There’s are no drastic increases it’s incremental. Pay attention.
***2. Companies failed for due to several reasons but you cannot even give me a single company that closed because of MW. Name me one..... start in Seattle. Most of the companies that closed before the CV blamed it on the increase of rental space. Not the wages.

In & Out hamburgers managers without college degree makes $160,000 a year and business is booming.
I don't know anything about In and Out burgers because I've never heard of them before, and we certainly don't have any around here that I'm aware of. I didn't provide a site of a place that closed down because of MW, I provided three of them, and I'm sure a simple Google search would produce more. Those are just the ones I kept when the MW in Seattle was introduced or already started. However it's a waste of time because you simply put the palms of your hands to your ears and sing aloud. There is no point of posting anything to you if you will simply refute it regardless what the source says.
 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day? Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
As I said in my post you can acquire Covid-19 by simple touching contaminated surfaces and then rubbing your eyes, picking your nose are touching your mouth, etc. This is not the common method of transfer but it does happen.

You need to see exactly what the doctor that signed the death certificate wrote under section cause of death. This is how the state health dept. and the CDC classify a death as being a corvid death. To me it seems very unlikely a doctor would establish covid-19 as cause of death without any medical records to back it that it, particularly since covid deaths are being scrutinized by country, state, and federal agencies.

Cause of death is important and doctors certainly take it serious. Cause death effects health insurance payouts, life insurance, hospital certification, and evaluation of effectiveness of treatment. This is why death certificates go to the county medical examiner.
 

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As I said in my post you can acquire Covid-19 by simple touching contaminated surfaces and then rubbing your eyes, picking your nose are touching your mouth, etc. This is not the common method of transfer but it does happen.

You need to see exactly what the doctor that signed the death certificate wrote under section cause of death. This is how the state health dept. and the CDC classify a death as being a corvid death. To me it seems very unlikely a doctor would establish covid-19 as cause of death without any medical records to back it that it, particularly since covid deaths are being scrutinized by country, state, and federal agencies.

Cause of death is important and doctors certainly take it serious. Cause death effects health insurance payouts, life insurance, hospital certification, and evaluation of effectiveness of treatment. This is why death certificates go to the county medical examiner.
So how did my Uncle touch a surface contaminated with Covid if nobody in that house ever had it? As I stated, he never left the house. I did see the death certificate. My cousin took a picture of it on his phone. The top cause of death was listed as Covid.

I don't know why you people have such a hard time accepting the truth.
 

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Dude I’m in the medical instruments business. Hospitals are my customers and I’ve been in these hospitals many many times even during this crisis. I can walk you through from step one to ICU to deaths.

Yes of course Respiratory specialist, highly qualified nurses and doctors have the training but for some idiots to say they over ventilated because they don’t know how to use that damn thing. Is just plain stupid. That’s what I meant.
What I was responding to is your claim a high school kid can run a ventilator when they can't, at least not without some training or instructions from another person. When a ventilator came in, I had to clean it and do an official manufacture check each time. The process took about an hour per ventilator.
Management of a ventilator is not easily. There are over 36 different types of ventilators and many modes of operation. Pulmonologists and Respiratory Therapist need special training to work with them. The patient has to be carefully monitored to determine when settings need to be changed balancing O2 levels, CO2, respiration, etc. I have no doubt that in an epidemic when hospital staffs are at a breaking point, many people die simply because no one is available to setup or modify setting as needed. One of the reasons we are getting less patients dying is we have learned a lot about monitoring and setting ventilators for covid patients plus there has been a lot more training.
 

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As I said in my post you can acquire Covid-19 by simple touching contaminated surfaces and then rubbing your eyes, picking your nose are touching your mouth, etc. This is not the common method of transfer but it does happen.

You need to see exactly what the doctor that signed the death certificate wrote under section cause of death. This is how the state health dept. and the CDC classify a death as being a corvid death. To me it seems very unlikely a doctor would establish covid-19 as cause of death without any medical records to back it that it, particularly since covid deaths are being scrutinized by country, state, and federal agencies.

Cause of death is important and doctors certainly take it serious. Cause death effects health insurance payouts, life insurance, hospital certification, and evaluation of effectiveness of treatment. This is why death certificates go to the county medical examiner.
So how did my Uncle touch a surface contaminated with Covid if nobody in that house ever had it? As I stated, he never left the house. I did see the death certificate. My cousin took a picture of it on his phone. The top cause of death was listed as Covid.

I don't know why you people have such a hard time accepting the truth.
Just because you don't know where he got it doesn't mean he didn't have it.
 

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Just because you don't know where he got it doesn't mean he didn't have it.
He didn't get it from anywhere because he never went anywhere.
He saw no people? Had no groceries delivered?

 

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Management of a ventilator is not easily. There are over 36 different types of ventilators and many modes of operation. Pulmonologists and Respiratory Therapist need special training to work with them. The patient has to be carefully monitored to determine when settings need to be changed balancing O2 levels, CO2, respiration, etc. I have no doubt that in an epidemic when hospital staffs are at a breaking point, many people die simply because no one is available to setup or modify setting as needed. One of the reasons we are getting less patients dying is we have learned a lot about monitoring and setting ventilators for covid patients plus there has been a lot more training.
It takes a couple of years to become a respiratory therapist. I think we have less deaths because of therapeutics if anything. Look at how fast the President recovered for a man that's a little oversight and at his age.

As I told my two cousins who lost their father, the only two ways to bring cases and deaths down is if Trump rescinds all the money going to facilities with Covid patients, or Biden wins. If either/ or happens, all of a sudden you'll see them reporting rates coming down.
 

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He saw no people? Had no groceries delivered?
His daughter in law did all the shopping. Everybody that was anywhere near him was tested after they got the report of their father, including the aide that was helping. My father and the other 11 people went into quarantine since test results would not show any positive results within 5 days. Not a one had any symptom.
 

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He saw no people? Had no groceries delivered?
His daughter in law did all the shopping. Everybody that was anywhere near him was tested after they got the report of their father, including the aide that was helping. My father and the other 11 people went into quarantine since test results would not show any positive results within 5 days. Not a one had any symptom.
He got it from somewhere likely one of them who was asymptomatic or from a surface.
 

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As I said in my post you can acquire Covid-19 by simple touching contaminated surfaces and then rubbing your eyes, picking your nose are touching your mouth, etc. This is not the common method of transfer but it does happen.

You need to see exactly what the doctor that signed the death certificate wrote under section cause of death. This is how the state health dept. and the CDC classify a death as being a corvid death. To me it seems very unlikely a doctor would establish covid-19 as cause of death without any medical records to back it that it, particularly since covid deaths are being scrutinized by country, state, and federal agencies.

Cause of death is important and doctors certainly take it serious. Cause death effects health insurance payouts, life insurance, hospital certification, and evaluation of effectiveness of treatment. This is why death certificates go to the county medical examiner.
So how did my Uncle touch a surface contaminated with Covid if nobody in that house ever had it? As I stated, he never left the house. I did see the death certificate. My cousin took a picture of it on his phone. The top cause of death was listed as Covid.

I don't know why you people have such a hard time accepting the truth.
When you say top cause, do you mean immediate or underlying cause. The top line under causes is immediate. The second line is the underlying cause. If either of these lines say Covid, it will be counted as a Covid death and there must be medical records that support that declaration. Otherwise the doctor that signed the death certificate can be in some deep shit.
 

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He got it from somewhere likely one of them who was asymptomatic or from a surface.
No, he likely didn't have anything and they listed it as a Covid case to get extra money from the government. Now I might believe otherwise if they listed Covid as a secondary or third cause. But they listed Covid as the main thing that killed him.
 

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When you say top cause, do you mean immediate or underlying cause. The top line under causes is immediate. The second line is the underlying cause. If either of these lines say Covid, it will be counted as a Covid death and there must be medical records that support that declaration. Otherwise the doctor that signed the death certificate can be in some deep shit.
I couldn't read what was after Covid because again, it was on his phone and I had to blowup the picture to see it. How are you going to prove it was not Covid? Take several tests from somebody that has it and keep the tests for people you want to claim have it and don't.
 

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He saw no people? Had no groceries delivered?
His daughter in law did all the shopping. Everybody that was anywhere near him was tested after they got the report of their father, including the aide that was helping. My father and the other 11 people went into quarantine since test results would not show any positive results within 5 days. Not a one had any symptom.
Boxes are bags brought into the house could have been contaminated as could mail, or packages delivered. As I said, in about 15% of cases the person doesn't know how they might have been exposed.
 

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Boxes are bags brought into the house could have been contaminated as could mail, or packages delivered. As I said, in about 15% of cases the person doesn't know how they might have been exposed.
Yes, you can hit the lottery too:

There is still a lot that is unknown about COVID-19 and how it spreads. Coronaviruses are thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Although the virus can survive for a short period on some surfaces, it is unlikely to be spread from domestic or international mail, products or packaging. However, it may be possible that people can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

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So how did my Uncle touch a surface contaminated with Covid if nobody in that house ever had it? As I stated, he never left the house. I did see the death certificate. My cousin took a picture of it on his phone. The top cause of death was listed as Covid.

I don't know why you people have such a hard time accepting the truth.
Covid is the disease du jour and many physicians, or medical officials it seems, are just rubber stamping
the covid virus as cause of death whether or not it is.

You can be a conspiracy theorist but there is a lot of political pressure to scare the crap out of the public
with stories of vast unstoppable covid deaths and epidemics. Or tales of how this is the new normal and we may never ever return to a pre-covid existence seems to be a favorite line from Joe Biden, Gavin Newsom
and Andrew Cuomo.

We hear every day of deaths attributed to the covid virus but how many people actually die due to that'
disease? The answer can be difficult to assess and even locate.
 

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Covid is the disease du jour and many physicians, or medical officials it seems, are just rubber stamping
the covid virus as cause of death whether or not it is.

You can be a conspiracy theorist but there is a lot of political pressure to scare the crap out of the public
with stories of vast unstoppable covid deaths and epidemics. Or tales of how this is the new normal and we may never ever return to a pre-covid existence seems to be a favorite line from Joe Biden, Gavin Newsom
and Andrew Cuomo.

We hear every day of deaths attributed to the covid virus but how many people actually die due to that'
disease? The answer can be difficult to assess and even locate.
Death certificates are never really accurate. A close friend of mine died a few years ago. He had a heart condition. The problem was, he was also an alcoholic who frequently fought with his wife. HIs doctor warned him about taking it easy on the booze with his heart in that shape.

He started to drink, got in a fight with his wife, and like she did so many times before, went to stay with one of her daughters. She waited two days and never heard from him which was very unusual. So she went back to the house and sent her granddaughter in to see if he was okay. She found him dead.

The autopsy report showed his heart was twice the size of a normal heart due to the excessive alcohol intake, and at the age of 64, ruled his death as natural causes.
 

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Trumpsters consistently fail to learn the lessons of what they propagate.

They glee over some liberals shocked by 2016 Clinton loss, but themselves are clearly not mentally prepared to handle a Trump loss.
Says the nitwits who have had the longest running temper tantrum in the history of this country.

:CryingCow::CryingCow:
Typical pathetic Trumpster nonsense.

If you can't quote ME throwing "temper tanrum" you really ought to retract your BS. You won't do either because...well, you are a Trumpster after all and that usually means zero integrity to go along with silly gifs.
NP..........you threw nonsense at me and I responded..........that it upset you is your problem and not mine.

Your party is dirty......Obama and Biden were and are corrupt as hell..........soo oh well.

Your tribe is burning down the country..........WE AREN'T.....grow up.
 

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