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How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
Zero to do with Trump. It’s just logic. You have special problems. Wow...Yep and in a bad flu season we lose 100k? I had It and it sucked but was not debilitating. My wife only lost smell and taste. Still worked out daily. My kids showed zero symptoms. Both young at 12 and 10. I bet Lot more people have it. Only reason I got tested was because I dropped 15 pounds in 2 weeks. Only reason. Other than that I had a mild cough and headaches. I bet my kids gave it to my wife and me as they continued to play with their friends. Kids are basically immune but they are carriers. Now I live care free. Yes 1% will suffer and it sucks but we know a lot more about it. We have some treatments that have worked. We have ventilators and knowledge and we know that soapPerhaps but...No. You misunderstand. I could Be tested today and be negative but have it and then tomorrow it could show up. That is the problem. And the next day and the next day. Key is to get it and develop immunity.Tests work but you have to do them daily for them to work. 99% of the people will have no to mild symptoms. Herd immunity is the key as well as treatments like Rem and HydroxTesting is irrelevant. As Fauci said you would have to test someone daily to be certain and that is not feasible and antibody testing is highly flawed.How much longer before the blob gets testing in place?In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.
And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.
If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.
What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.
What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.
We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)
And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.
So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.
That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?
Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner
Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...www.washingtonexaminer.com
I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.
so the tests aren’t perfect like your blob said they were?
So if you’re found to have Covid-19 today, you have to get tested tomorrow to see if you still have it?
Doubtful.
It’s probably more of a problem if you have it and don’t know it since 30,000+ have died from having contracted it. Because you can self quarantine before you pass it off to someone who may have a PEC.
And water kills it. Testing is not the answer. Herd immunity is. Once most are immune the virus dies out and then everyone is safe, including those at high risk. Look at India. Very few cases. Why? Very hot weather.
makes one wonder why anyone got tested in the first place if that was the case. Lol
Your worry is that more positive tests makes your blob look bad.
Yep. Went to the store to pick up medication for my mom Friday evening and it was packed. Obviously people aren’t that afraid to be out in public. I think even liberals know this fear porn the media is hyping up is complete BS. And that they don’t “ shelter in place” as much as they pretend they do on social media.Herd immunity is happening right now. Went to Fleet Farm today and the store was more packed than Christmas season. So were all the big box stores. Hoards of folks ignoring the stay at home and a small minority wearing masks. Seems folks are gonna go about their lives regardless of our governor.
No way in hell in MN were all these folks out and about all conservative.
In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.
And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.
If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.
What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.
What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.
We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)
And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.
So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.
That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?
Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner
Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
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How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.
New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.
While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.
New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.
While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.
Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that
Look at the swift backpedaling here.
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.
New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.
While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.
Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that
Look at the swift backpedaling here.
Let's try some intellectual honesty here:
1) I haven't backpedaled from anything.
2) We can't know what the political ramifications will be from this.
OkI disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.
New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.
While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.
Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that
Look at the swift backpedaling here.
Let's try some intellectual honesty here:
1) I haven't backpedaled from anything.
2) We can't know what the political ramifications will be from this.
"The amount of risk people are willing to deal with is not up to me"
hahahahahaha.....yeah. Sure. But we remember, and we won't forget. The party of Perpetual Quarantines, Thumb-sucking and Wasted Economies
And Karens. Lots and lots and lots of Karens
Did somebody just post something? Was that background chatter? Something nipping at heels?How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
How about other states? NY is an outlier.I looked up the number of deaths from the flu in New York. I looked at the data from the cdc from 2014 to 2018. On average, there were about 4,700 deaths per year in New York from the flu.
New York had about 4,700 deaths from covid-19 in the last week.
I think it's ridiculous to compare covid-19 to the flu.
I think most of the North East would be similar. They're getting hit the hardest by this thing and they're located where it's more densely populated. Obviously not all states are getting impacted to the same level though.
Let me look up Louisiana:
Louisiana has averaged about 787 deaths per year from the flu. They've had approximately the same number of deaths from covid-19 in the last 13 days.
The point is: this isn't the flu. Show me the last time the flu wiped out 4,700 New Yorkers in a week. That's how devastating this can be without proper measures.
That there was a horrid, local outbreak in NYC does not mean Nebraska had to shut down
Maybe, maybe not. That's not up to me.
New York state has a population density 17 times the density of Nebraska. New York City is far more dense than that. Obviously it's going to be more dangerous in the more densely populated cities.
While the amount of risk that people are willing to deal with is not up to me, my point is that this thing is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
So here is how we know this thing was a huge bungle and your party will pay.
Just a few days ago you were screeching at everyone to stay inside, virus this, virus that
Look at the swift backpedaling here.
Let's try some intellectual honesty here:
1) I haven't backpedaled from anything.
2) We can't know what the political ramifications will be from this.
"The amount of risk people are willing to deal with is not up to me"
hahahahahaha.....yeah. Sure. But we remember, and we won't forget. The party of Perpetual Quarantines, Thumb-sucking and Wasted Economies
And Karens. Lots and lots and lots of Karens
It's not up to me. Some places obviously have it far worse than others and while it would be great to have everyone stay home and safe, the economic impacts have to also be weighed, especially in places where the number of outbreaks are not that high.
How much death we're willing to accept for businesses to operate is not up to me and not a responsibility I would want to have.
That doesn't change the fact that this is FAR more deadly than the flu, which was my entire point.
It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?
It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?
I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.
It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?
I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.
Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.
I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
2009 H1N1 Pandemic
A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.www.cdc.gov
It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?
I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.
Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.
I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
2009 H1N1 Pandemic
A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.
Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.
I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?
It is more deadly than the flu for some people; about as deadly for others; and significantly LESS deadly for others. That's not what we were sold though, was it?
I'd like to respond, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say it's significantly less deadly for some. Please elaborate.
Children and teens. For example, H1N1 significantly hit children and younger people. And of course note for H1N1 we did not shut down much of anything.
I really think we're going to look back at this as one huge bungle. But we're about to massively unbungle huge parts of society starting this week. Thank God.
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
2009 H1N1 Pandemic
A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.
Oh gotcha. Yea, the numbers show that coronavirus is not very dangerous for the younger ones.
I don't know if that's what was "sold" to you. Did they say otherwise?
Sick people in the streets, hospitals way over capacity, not enough ventilators, all of it.
Didn't happen. Even in my "hot zone". Didn't happen. None of it.
Do you feel this turning now? Cause I do. Last week, with the protest in MI. It turned. People are still going to be careful and some people are still afraid. But more and more people are going to say they've had enough and they're not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods for this virus when all the facts and evidence say it's not nearly as deadly for MOST people as they sold us. And these people are right, btw.
That said, every single death has always been an individual tragedy, and nothing will change that. But we can't cripple society for it.
