We overreacted

[Rocko]

Herd immunity is happening right now. Went to Fleet Farm today and the store was more packed than Christmas season. So were all the big box stores. Hoards of folks ignoring the stay at home and a small minority wearing masks. Seems folks are gonna go about their lives regardless of our governor.

No way in hell in MN were all these folks out and about all conservative.

We don’t know how long the antibodies last. And 50% of the population would have to be infected for herd immunity to take place. In the meantime that’s a lot of body bags

 

[KGB]

I disagree wholeheartedly disagree with the OP. Mitigation efforts slowed down the virus. The math is the proof. How bad would it have gotten without these efforts? Impossible to tell, but it’s still spreading fast with the mitigation efforts. 40 k dead in 6 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

the OP came down with the Chinese Communist Party virus & recovered. He has a better perspective than most people on here. And the numbers keep bearing that out as we do more testing.

 

[petro]

Herd immunity is happening right now. Went to Fleet Farm today and the store was more packed than Christmas season. So were all the big box stores. Hoards of folks ignoring the stay at home and a small minority wearing masks. Seems folks are gonna go about their lives regardless of our governor.

No way in hell in MN were all these folks out and about all conservative.

We don’t know how long the antibodies last. And 50% of the population would have to be infected for herd immunity to take place. In the meantime that’s a lot of body bags

We have no idea how many are already exposed. It could be far more than 50% already.
There are a lot of body bags for a variety of reasons every year with far higher counts and we don't lose our shit over them. Life is simply dangerous with no guarantees and no government can protect every citizen. This isn't the civilization ending plague, but the "cure" which is only putting off the inevitable sure as hell could be.

Reality is folks left and right are losing patience with the current course of action. The protests developing in two thirds of the states speak to that fact.

 

[Death-Ninja]

I could not agree more, we didn't close down the nation for the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, and that killed over 600,000 Americans in about 25 weeks time. I think this whole thing stinks, I think that when a desperate political party, and an equally desperate federal apparatus overwhelmingly staffed by devotees of that desperate political party, and which qualifies as virtually a form of shadow government, are both implicated in a series of rolling coup d' tat's, and faux investigations intended to destroy a man they cannot buy off or control, and he is presiding over an economy so white hot they haven't a prayer of running against it in a fair election process, well I think its no coincidence that that economy is suddenly no more! Such is the thing they most wanted, many of them openly said as much, well here we are.....

Were you alive in 1918? News stories I have seen show schools, churches and businesses closed.

Are you even serious? I went to school, apparently you did not, there was never a national shut down due to the Spanish flu pandemic, business as usual with small localized closures, nothing in all of US history compares to what that little Dr Fauci succeeded in getting Trump to sign off on here, why major league baseball played the most notorious world series in baseball history during the Spanish flu pandemic!

 

[candycorn]

Hard to say we’ve over reacted...we’ve tested less than 2% of our population.

 

[lennypartiv]

I could not agree more, we didn't close down the nation for the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, and that killed over 600,000 Americans in about 25 weeks time.

Exactly. If we didn't shut our economy down for the Spanish Flu there is no reason to shut it down for Coronavirus.

 

[Death-Ninja]

Hard to say we’ve over reacted...we’ve tested less than 2% of our population.

Is that so, because the evidence is emerging via that testing, that the true rates of exposure and infection are vastly higher than currently known. In one such exercise in California they estimate the true figures of infection in the bay area may actually be as much as 85 times greater then currently known! Further, its become apparent, also in California, that the virus has been onshore with us since as early as September, and that means taken all together, that the fatality ratios are not 2-4 or 5%, but rather less than those from current variety of seasonal flu! Folks all of this stinks, I trust the intelligence services of the United States only marginally more than I do the CCP, or democratic party!

 

[Neil Austen]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

So I guess the Trillion dollar war Bush started because of 9/11 was an overreaction. After all that was only a few thousand Americans dead, and this is 36000 dead Americans. Both according to you is no big deal.

 

[WEATHER53]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

And you are right as I and a few others have been. But, the only kudos we will ever get is the scant amount that might come here.
MSM will Never come clean on this.
Personal Health addicts is my name for those who think it’s Right for us to be locked in our homes to best assure they don’t get sick. To do otherwise is wrong of me and I should be peppersprayed
Personal health addicts-stay home your own freakin self but not me and others who believe in Freedom,

 

[BlueGin]

Herd immunity is happening right now. Went to Fleet Farm today and the store was more packed than Christmas season. So were all the big box stores. Hoards of folks ignoring the stay at home and a small minority wearing masks. Seems folks are gonna go about their lives regardless of our governor.

No way in hell in MN were all these folks out and about all conservative.

Yep. Went to the store to pick up medication for my mom Friday evening and it was packed. Obviously people aren’t that afraid to be out in public. I think even liberals know this fear porn the media is hyping up is complete BS. And that they don’t “ shelter in place” as much as they pretend they do on social media.

 

[WEATHER53]

Hard to say we’ve over reacted...we’ve tested less than 2% of our population.

Is that so, because the evidence is emerging via that testing, that the true rates of exposure and infection are vastly higher than currently known. In one such exercise in California they estimate the true figures of infection in the bay area may actually be as much as 85 times greater then currently known! Further, its become apparent, also in California, that the virus has been onshore with us since as early as September, and that means taken all together, that the fatality ratios are not 2-4 or 5%, but rather less than those from current variety of seasonal flu! Folks all of this stinks, I trust the intelligence services of the United States only marginally more than I do the CCP, or democratic party!

I think this was very contagious but rarely lethal. Numbers as to seasonal flu may not be identical but remember we got shut down on numbers of 1.7-2.2 million and even when dropped to 100/200,000 the Grip Tightened and now 60k and 80% of the population is still afraid their shadow is contaigious. Gotta step back into the light, damn sin that’s considered a bold move.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I could not agree more, we didn't close down the nation for the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, and that killed over 600,000 Americans in about 25 weeks time. I think this whole thing stinks, I think that when a desperate political party, and an equally desperate federal apparatus overwhelmingly staffed by devotees of that desperate political party, and which qualifies as virtually a form of shadow government, are both implicated in a series of rolling coup d' tat's, and faux investigations intended to destroy a man they cannot buy off or control, and he is presiding over an economy so white hot they haven't a prayer of running against it in a fair election process, well I think its no coincidence that that economy is suddenly no more! Such is the thing they most wanted, many of them openly said as much, well here we are.....

Were you alive in 1918? News stories I have seen show schools, churches and businesses closed.

Are you even serious? I went to school, apparently you did not, there was never a national shut down due to the Spanish flu pandemic, business as usual with small localized closures, nothing in all of US history compares to what that little Dr Fauci succeeded in getting Trump to sign off on here, why major league baseball played the most notorious world series in baseball history during the Spanish flu pandemic!

You were in school in 1918? That makes you about 110 years old, doesn't it?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I am in agreement.....after we get testing in place.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yes....the left is going to pay.

You have people who are very concerned about where they will get money to buy food in two weeks....

Being told by people who have large six figure salaries and are still getting paid.....

They have to stay holed up until the people in the suites with the big salaries tell them it's O.K.

But for now....they can't say shit that is helpful.

Fuck that.

 

[citygator]

The President (of the Republican Party) recommended shutting down everything. In fact he hasn’t even suggested people open yet.. he’s just hinted that it should be soon. Why are you righty morons yelling at yourselves?

 

[lennypartiv]

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.
So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.
That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be.

Exactly. When this happens we need to ride it out. Sure, it's bad disease that will kill people, but that's not a valid reason to act like turtles.

 

[Desperado]

Hard to say we’ve over reacted...we’ve tested less than 2% of our population.

The recovery rate is better than 99% so yes we over reacted

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We could have quarantined or isolated those at the highest risk levels but allowed the rest to do as we please. Seems reasonable?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

In a "bad year" for the flu, between 50,000 and 100,000 Americans die from the virus. I'm willing to bet that by the end of this year, roughly the same number of people will have died from this virus.

And I'm also willing to bet that there's zero difference in either the total per capita number who become infected and the mortality rate between our country (which ordered a shutdown) and Sweden's, which has refused to order anyone to shut down their business or stay in their homes.

If you accept that the virus had been circulating in our population for months by the time the lock down orders arrived (which is certainly the case) and if you know it's highly contagious, then ordering everyone into their homes in mid-March was closing the barn door when the horses were already long gone.

What does work to control the spread of a novel virus? Herd immunity. Humans have immune systems. They work great, especially in younger people. We can handle viruses.

What we should do is tell older and sicker people to put on a mask. Wear rubber gloves. Avoid crowds at all costs. Avoid hospitals. Stay home whenever you can.

We should have told everyone else: Go about your lives. Yes, we should also add that some of you – probably about 20% – are going to get this novel coronavirus this year. (Normally about 9% of the population gets the flu every year... so your chances of catching COVID-19 this year are about double what you'd normally face with the regular flu.)

And if you get it, it's probably going to suck. But the younger you are and the healthier you are, the more likely it is that you won't have any symptoms at all.

So, let's not cancel school. Let's let the kids go and get exposed to this virus when they are young, when they can handle it, and when they can quickly develop immunity.

That's the best way to build the herd immunity we need – allow everyone who can manage the virus to get exposed. As quickly as possible. After all, the sooner the herd immunity we need develops naturally, the safer we will all be. Deaths are now projected at 60k?

Top coronavirus model lowers US death estimates in updated projection - Washington Examiner

Researchers lowered their estimated U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic in a recent update of a key model.The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation lowered its predicted death toll by more than 8,000 on Friday, only four days after its previous...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

So I guess the Trillion dollar war Bush started because of 9/11 was an overreaction. After all that was only a few thousand Americans dead, and this is 36000 dead Americans. Both according to you is no big deal.

That was an overt attack and an act of war. And we did overreact by going into Iraq.

 

[candycorn]

Hard to say we’ve over reacted...we’ve tested less than 2% of our population.

Is that so, because the evidence is emerging via that testing, that the true rates of exposure and infection are vastly higher than currently known. In one such exercise in California they estimate the true figures of infection in the bay area may actually be as much as 85 times greater then currently known! Further, its become apparent, also in California, that the virus has been onshore with us since as early as September, and that means taken all together, that the fatality ratios are not 2-4 or 5%, but rather less than those from current variety of seasonal flu! Folks all of this stinks, I trust the intelligence services of the United States only marginally more than I do the CCP, or democratic party!

Not sure what any of that crap meant. I do know this, there are states that haven’t tested 20 of its citizens yet.