we need to privatize Social Security, my friends

[Anathema]

You are free to make all the stupid decisions you want.

Just don't **** with MY retirement or my kid's

The health of my Soul is far more important to me than monies I would never collect (I have no intent to ever retire).

The minute your retirement takes even a penny of my tax money I get a say in how it’s being spent. IF SS were actually funded by what you put in alone, that would be one thing; but it’s not.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

we need to privatize Social Security, my friends


As evidenced by the market decline and the lost year to investors.

Actually if you know anything about the market, you'd realize that every time the Fed threatens to raise interest rates you get a selloff. Also, it doesn't help that Mad Maxine is going to be taking over banking in Congress.
That would scare the piss out of lots of investors.

Yeah, that's it. Obviously you can show us all of the previous years where investors made nothing for the year due to a tenths of a point increase in interest rates, professor.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Keep SS as it is and just make some adjustments

If you want privatized. Just get a 401k

So true.
There is nothing stopping anyone from making as many investments as they wish.
The market losses this year show us very clearly why we should never privatize SS.

I find it hilarious that these soft brains would choose now to make such an argument.

 

[danielpalos]

You are free to make all the stupid decisions you want.

Just don't **** with MY retirement or my kid's

The health of my Soul is far more important to me than monies I would never collect (I have no intent to ever retire).

The minute your retirement takes even a penny of my tax money I get a say in how it’s being spent. IF SS were actually funded by what you put in alone, that would be one thing; but it’s not.

Some on the left believe in solving simple poverty by merely compensating Labor, at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage, to not work. Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment. There is no need for the Poor to Labor under that Burden in a First World economy.

 

[skews13]

we can shore up the program and end the raid on the trust fund. we can create an ownership society and individuals can own a piece of the action!

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%, and eliminate the cap on income that contributes to the trust fund, lower the retirement age to 62, which would create millions of jobs for Millennials, and create a Medicare for all national health care system, that eliminates the need for employer sponsored private plans, saving companies hundreds of billions, and gives all working families an immediate raise in their incomes not paying premiums or deductables.

We've already been doing the Libertarian experiment for decades now, and it has been proven a collossal failure. Fortunately, Americans are waking up to the scam of privatization.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

we can shore up the program and end the raid on the trust fund. we can create an ownership society and individuals can own a piece of the action!

But then Democrats can't control it and use it to scare old people into voting for them at election time

 

[Anathema]

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%, and eliminate the cap on income that contributes to the trust fund, lower the retirement age to 62, which would create millions of jobs for Millennials, and create a Medicare for all national health care system, that eliminates the need for employer sponsored private plans, saving companies hundreds of billions, and gives all working families an immediate raise in their incomes not paying premiums or deductables.

Why the hell would ANY successful person want to live in that Society? I only make about $80K a year and I wouldn’t want to live in that Society.

 

[danielpalos]

we can shore up the program and end the raid on the trust fund. we can create an ownership society and individuals can own a piece of the action!

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%, and eliminate the cap on income that contributes to the trust fund, lower the retirement age to 62, which would create millions of jobs for Millennials, and create a Medicare for all national health care system, that eliminates the need for employer sponsored private plans, saving companies hundreds of billions, and gives all working families an immediate raise in their incomes not paying premiums or deductables.

We've already been doing the Libertarian experiment for decades now, and it has been proven a collossal failure. Fortunately, Americans are waking up to the scam of privatization.

perhaps your people can talk to our girl on the East Coast.

 

[danielpalos]

we can shore up the program and end the raid on the trust fund. we can create an ownership society and individuals can own a piece of the action!

But then Democrats can't control it and use it to scare old people into voting for them at election time

more faithful execution of at-will employment laws could help stabilize our economy more automatically.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%

Yes, because the economy was booming during the Carter Administration which is why he got reelected in a landslide in 1980.

Oh.... wait......

We've already been doing the Libertarian experiment for decades now, and it has been proven a collossal failure.

Fortunately, Americans are waking up to the scam of privatization.

Yes, Americans hate privatization. That's why all the socialist economies of the USSR, Cuba, and North Korea have been such big producers of innovation and prosperity.

Oh..... wait.......

Americans actually heavily favor the private sector. It's just unskilled tards like you who can't wipe your own ass who have a problem with it.

 

[skews13]

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%, and eliminate the cap on income that contributes to the trust fund, lower the retirement age to 62, which would create millions of jobs for Millennials, and create a Medicare for all national health care system, that eliminates the need for employer sponsored private plans, saving companies hundreds of billions, and gives all working families an immediate raise in their incomes not paying premiums or deductables.

Why the hell would ANY successful person want to live in that Society? I only make about $80K a year and I wouldn’t want to live in that Society.

They did just fine for 200 years before the 1980's, and the middleclass was at it's strongest between the end of WW2 and the late 1970's.

I notice that in you society since then, not so much.

Like I said, your society is already a proven failure. This isn't a debate.

 

[rightwinger]

Still a socialist program that has saved hundreds of millions from poverty in their retirement

As a Sociaoprogram it runs totally contrary to everything this country was founded on, regardless of how many people it has helped. That is not the job of the Federal Government, even if you’ve paid into the program.

That’s why we got my wife off SSDI when we married and why I will never take money from the SS Administration.

More for me

 

[Anathema]

They did just fine for 200 years before the 1980's, and the middleclass was at it's strongest between the end of WW2 and the late 1970's.

I notice that in you society since then, not so much.

Like I said, your society is already a proven failure. This isn't a debate.

That Society didn’t exist for 209 years. The income tax wasn’t approved until 1913.

My Society has never existed in this country. Under MY Society there would be a flat income tax in ALL INCOME, with no deductions or upper/lower limits, strict controls on Government spending and ZERO social welfare and subsidy spending allowed.

We will agree this current society is a failure, but for different reasons.

 

[Siete]

we can shore up the program and end the raid on the trust fund. we can create an ownership society and individuals can own a piece of the action!

But then Democrats can't control it and use it to scare old people into voting for them at election time

its not just the dems .. 43 had a majority congress when he informed the country he was going to spend his political capital and privatize SS .

how did that work out -

 

[rightwinger]

No. We don't. We need to get rid of the Great Republican Tax Scam, return tax rates to pre Reagan era levels on the upper 10%

Yes, because the economy was booming during the Carter Administration which is why he got reelected in a landslide in 1980.

Oh.... wait......

We've already been doing the Libertarian experiment for decades now, and it has been proven a collossal failure.

Fortunately, Americans are waking up to the scam of privatization.

Yes, Americans hate privatization. That's why all the socialist economies of the USSR, Cuba, and North Korea have been such big producers of innovation and prosperity.

Oh..... wait.......

Americans actually heavily favor the private sector. It's just unskilled tards like you who can't wipe your own ass who have a problem with it.

Carter faced a recession with a balanced budget. Reagan faced it by tripling the debt

The reason Carter lost the election was the Iran Hostage crisis

 

[Anathema]

More for me

That’s part of the problem. You shouldn’t be able to take more out of the program than you put into it.

 

[Lesh]

The health of my Soul is far more important to me than monies I would never collect (I have no intent to ever retire).

The minute your retirement takes even a penny of my tax money I get a say in how it’s being spent. IF SS were actually funded by what you put in alone, that would be one thing; but it’s not.

Good for you. The vast majority of your countrymen aren't as wealthy as you.

**** em huh?

How very conservative of you

 

[Siete]

More for me

That’s part of the problem. You shouldn’t be able to take more out of the program than you put into it.

then lock box the funds and keep the politicans greed away from SS.

simple.

there are several ways to fix SS, but noooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Thinker101]

The health of my Soul is far more important to me than monies I would never collect (I have no intent to ever retire).

The minute your retirement takes even a penny of my tax money I get a say in how it’s being spent. IF SS were actually funded by what you put in alone, that would be one thing; but it’s not.

Good for you. The vast majority of your countrymen aren't as wealthy as you.

**** em huh?

How very conservative of you

So ya ain't got squat, take it from those that do....how very liberal of you.

 

[Anathema]

Good for you. The vast majority of your countrymen aren't as wealthy as you.

**** em huh?

How very conservative of you

I don’t have countrymen. My country was assassinated by Abraham Lincoln in 1861.

People get what they earn and what the deserve. I currently have to help support most of my wife’s family, because they only have 1 job between 7 adults... but my taxes still go to support even more wastes of flesh and oxygen.

I’m an ultra-Conservative. Always have been and always will be.