We Love Christians....

[Beelzebub]

Nasty.

Is there any reporting on what the protesters claimed as a complaint?

 

[aris2chat]

You are a case Phoney. Here is one for your collection:

The Bellamy Salute ? PiqueShow

pre-WWII it was just a Roman salute. During the war it took on nazi connection and has not been used except by fascists since that time

 

[Beelzebub]

Don't you ever get anything right Aris?

The Roman salute was adopted by the Italian Fascists in the 1920's and the German Nazis in the 1930's.

The USA only dropped it in 1942.

 

[aris2chat]

Don't you ever get anything right Aris?

The Roman salute was adopted by the Italian Fascists in the 1920's and the German Nazis in the 1930's.

The USA only dropped it in 1942.

since the war

 

[Beelzebub]

So, you have the war as starting in the 1920's eh, Aris?

 

[aris2chat]

So, you have the war as starting in the 1920's eh, Aris?

Pearl Harbor was the end of 1941

 

[Beelzebub]

I'm sorry Aris. The point is in the above posts, but it is not that interesting that it is worth explaining, if you don't follow.

 

[pbel]

Anyone who thinks Christians are welcome in a JEWISH entity, should rethink their support...


Spate of hate attacks as Israel ups security for papal visit

An Israeli policeman walks past graffiti on the wall of a church near an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhood in Jerusalem, on May 9, 2014. The graffiti reads "King David for the Jews...Jesus is garbage" (AFP Photo/Thomas Coex)

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Jerusalem (AFP) - Vandals sprayed anti-Christian graffiti on a Jerusalem church on Friday, despite Israeli police stepping up security around religious sites ahead of a visit by Pope Francis later this month.







Related Stories


Vatican calls on Israel to safeguard holy sites Associated Press
Israel police arrest seven minors over hate attacks AFP
Settlers mob Israel police over probe of racist attacks AFP
Jewish extremists vandalise Muslim grave in Israel AFP
Ex-security head: Israel soft on anti-Arab crimes Associated Press

"Price tag... King David for the Jews... Jesus is garbage" was spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of St George's, a Romanian Orthodox church near an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhood.

"Price tag" is a euphemism for hate attacks by Jewish extremists.

Police said that "Death to Arabs" was found written on a house in the Old City in east Jerusalem, and swastikas were scrawled on the wall of a west Jerusalem apartment.

The Roman Catholic church has demanded Israeli action after Hebrew graffiti reading "Death to Arabs and Christians and to everyone who hates Israel" was daubed on its Notre Dame complex in Jerusalem on Monday.

"The bishops are very concerned about the lack of security and lack of responsiveness from the political sector, and fear an escalation of violence," the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem

Getting back to the OP, here is another side of the Christian story.


The Feast of Saint George, a pretty important holiday for Palestinian Christians, recently ended, but it didn’t end well for those celebrating at the festival’s focal point, the Monastery of Saint George near Bethlehem.

Saint George’s Monastery is located in the village of al-Khadar, which is the name used for Saint George in Arab culture. Every year, Palestinian Christians, and even some Muslims, gather at the monastery, as well as at other locations throughout the region, to commemorate George’s martyrdom and dedication to his faith.

During this year’s festival, which occurred on May 6, the Christians gathered at Saint George’s were beset by Muslim provocateurs and assailants.


Christians Violently Attacked Near Bethlehem - Israel Today | Israel News

This is what happens when Politics and Religion mix...The Christians too went into this process of killing non-believers and then each other...We have developed socially and politically. I'm afraid the ME gods from time immemorial were aggressive and exclusive will slow political development for a very long time....poor bon home Pbel forecasts constant warfare for three hundred years and perhaps the Armageddon of the Torah and Koran...

Americans need to get out of this quagmire militarily and politically, we are now oil independent. Let the Europeans pay the market price without our military umbrella.

Its killing Americans literally and financially.

 

[Kondor3]

Anyone who thinks Christians are welcome in a JEWISH entity, should rethink their support...


Spate of hate attacks as Israel ups security for papal visit

An Israeli policeman walks past graffiti on the wall of a church near an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhood in Jerusalem, on May 9, 2014. The graffiti reads "King David for the Jews...Jesus is garbage" (AFP Photo/Thomas Coex)

.


Jerusalem (AFP) - Vandals sprayed anti-Christian graffiti on a Jerusalem church on Friday, despite Israeli police stepping up security around religious sites ahead of a visit by Pope Francis later this month.







Related Stories


Vatican calls on Israel to safeguard holy sites Associated Press
Israel police arrest seven minors over hate attacks AFP
Settlers mob Israel police over probe of racist attacks AFP
Jewish extremists vandalise Muslim grave in Israel AFP
Ex-security head: Israel soft on anti-Arab crimes Associated Press

"Price tag... King David for the Jews... Jesus is garbage" was spray-painted in Hebrew on the wall of St George's, a Romanian Orthodox church near an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhood.

"Price tag" is a euphemism for hate attacks by Jewish extremists.

Police said that "Death to Arabs" was found written on a house in the Old City in east Jerusalem, and swastikas were scrawled on the wall of a west Jerusalem apartment.

The Roman Catholic church has demanded Israeli action after Hebrew graffiti reading "Death to Arabs and Christians and to everyone who hates Israel" was daubed on its Notre Dame complex in Jerusalem on Monday.

"The bishops are very concerned about the lack of security and lack of responsiveness from the political sector, and fear an escalation of violence," the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem

Getting back to the OP, here is another side of the Christian story.


The Feast of Saint George, a pretty important holiday for Palestinian Christians, recently ended, but it didn’t end well for those celebrating at the festival’s focal point, the Monastery of Saint George near Bethlehem.

Saint George’s Monastery is located in the village of al-Khadar, which is the name used for Saint George in Arab culture. Every year, Palestinian Christians, and even some Muslims, gather at the monastery, as well as at other locations throughout the region, to commemorate George’s martyrdom and dedication to his faith.

During this year’s festival, which occurred on May 6, the Christians gathered at Saint George’s were beset by Muslim provocateurs and assailants.


Christians Violently Attacked Near Bethlehem - Israel Today | Israel News

This is what happens when Politics and Religion mix...The Christians too went into this process of killing non-believers and then each other...We have developed socially and politically. I'm afraid the ME gods from time immemorial were aggressive and exclusive will slow political development for a very long time....poor bon home Pbel forecasts constant warfare for three hundred years and perhaps the Armageddon of the Torah and Koran...

Americans need to get out of this quagmire militarily and politically, we are now oil independent. Let the Europeans pay the market price without our military umbrella.

Its killing Americans literally and financially.

No problem.

Just as soon as Eretz Yisrael is achieved, and the Palestinians have been relocated.

Won't be long now.

 

[montelatici]

Getting back to the OP, here is another side of the Christian story.


The Feast of Saint George, a pretty important holiday for Palestinian Christians, recently ended, but it didn’t end well for those celebrating at the festival’s focal point, the Monastery of Saint George near Bethlehem.

Saint George’s Monastery is located in the village of al-Khadar, which is the name used for Saint George in Arab culture. Every year, Palestinian Christians, and even some Muslims, gather at the monastery, as well as at other locations throughout the region, to commemorate George’s martyrdom and dedication to his faith.

During this year’s festival, which occurred on May 6, the Christians gathered at Saint George’s were beset by Muslim provocateurs and assailants.


Christians Violently Attacked Near Bethlehem - Israel Today | Israel News

This is what happens when Politics and Religion mix...The Christians too went into this process of killing non-believers and then each other...We have developed socially and politically. I'm afraid the ME gods from time immemorial were aggressive and exclusive will slow political development for a very long time....poor bon home Pbel forecasts constant warfare for three hundred years and perhaps the Armageddon of the Torah and Koran...

Americans need to get out of this quagmire militarily and politically, we are now oil independent. Let the Europeans pay the market price without our military umbrella.

Its killing Americans literally and financially.

No problem.

Just as soon as Eretz Yisrael is achieved, and the Palestinians have been relocated.

Won't be long now.

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

 

[Kondor3]

This is what happens when Politics and Religion mix...The Christians too went into this process of killing non-believers and then each other...We have developed socially and politically. I'm afraid the ME gods from time immemorial were aggressive and exclusive will slow political development for a very long time....poor bon home Pbel forecasts constant warfare for three hundred years and perhaps the Armageddon of the Torah and Koran...

Americans need to get out of this quagmire militarily and politically, we are now oil independent. Let the Europeans pay the market price without our military umbrella.

Its killing Americans literally and financially.

No problem.

Just as soon as Eretz Yisrael is achieved, and the Palestinians have been relocated.

Won't be long now.

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed thusly.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed here in the United States as the only remaining Road to Peace, after 60+ years of trying, and the insane intransigence of the Palestinian side.

And it will accepted here in the United States as just that, when the time comes.

Remember that you heard that here first.

Fortunately, the idea that it will (by then) be the only remaining Road to Peace will have the added benefit of being the truth, when it unfolds.

Common sense, really.

One side has won.

One side has lost.

The losing side refuses to surrender.

The thing drags on for 66 years and causes a wide array of grief out and about in the wider world, in considerable disproportion to its size or mass or volume or general importance and value.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because the Losing Side has insanely and repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of, even as an interim measure.

The Palestinians will not be slaughtered nor cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand, so that cuts-down on US-internal resistance by several orders of magnitude, right there.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally-People who have a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked, and who have in recent decades re-discovered their identity and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, and carving out a new destiny and place in the world for themselves, while resurrecting their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks (myself included) do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

 

[montelatici]

No problem.

Just as soon as Eretz Yisrael is achieved, and the Palestinians have been relocated.

Won't be long now.

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed as thus.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed as the only remaining Road to Peace.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because they have repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of.

They will not be slaughtered or cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally who has a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked and who have now re-discovered their identify and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, in order to resurrect their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

Keep dreaming and keep hating. But, you seem to be happy that people you don't know were expelled from their land and homes just because they were Christians and Muslims instead of Jews. That's what I will never understand.

 

[pbel]

No problem.

Just as soon as Eretz Yisrael is achieved, and the Palestinians have been relocated.

Won't be long now.

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed thusly.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed here in the United States as the only remaining Road to Peace, after 60+ years of trying, and the insane intransigence of the Palestinian side.

And it will accepted here in the United States as just that, when the time comes.

Remember that you heard that here first.

Fortunately, the idea that it will (by then) be the only remaining Road to Peace will have the added benefit of being the truth, when it unfolds.

Common sense, really.

One side has won.

One side has lost.

The losing side refuses to surrender.

The thing drags on for 66 years and causes a wide array of grief out and about in the wider world, in considerable disproportion to its size or mass or volume or general importance and value.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because the Losing Side has insanely and repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of, even as an interim measure.

The Palestinians will not be slaughtered nor cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand, so that cuts-down on US-internal resistance by several orders of magnitude, right there.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally-People who have a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked, and who have in recent decades re-discovered their identity and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, and carving out a new destiny and place in the world for themselves, while resurrecting their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks (myself included) do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

What a Load of Crap.

 

[Kondor3]

Keep dreaming and keep hating...

It is not a dream.

It is the purest logic, and the only way remaining to cut the Gordian Knot.

There is no hate in this, other than hate of continued, pointless conflict.

I think Islam is a gigantic fraud and a Neanderthal system, and I don't like the unfounded arrogance and hate-mongering and bigotry and hypocrisy of many of its adherents, and I see it as the single largest threat to the General Peace of the next century or two, and I sometimes hate-back, those who hate us, but, there is no general hatred embedded in my own positions.

...But, you seem to be happy that people you don't know were expelled from their land and homes just because they were Christians and Muslims instead of Jews. That's what I will never understand.

I am routinely glad to see Muslim Palestinians pushed off their remaining lands, because the sooner the job is done, the sooner they're relocated elsewhere, and the sooner this whole thing begins to diffuse into an ethereal memory. This is the painful precursor to something better for both Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews which is likely to materialize from all of this in the future.

Because of my own historical Christian affiliations (personal and familial and ancestral) I am routinely saddened to see when Christian Palestinians foolishly side with Palestinian Muslims and damage their prospects for sustaining a continued long-term presence in the Holy Land, but I am consoled that they will be better-treated at the end of the day than their Muslim counterparts and - beyond the simplistic mindset of needing to break a few eggs to make omelettes - I know that those of them who already reside within existing Israeli borders and who are citizens of Israel can actually live very happy and empowered lives in many instances.

But much of that is personal opinion and perspective, and does not advance the general discussion.

 

[Kondor3]

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed thusly.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed here in the United States as the only remaining Road to Peace, after 60+ years of trying, and the insane intransigence of the Palestinian side.

And it will accepted here in the United States as just that, when the time comes.

Remember that you heard that here first.

Fortunately, the idea that it will (by then) be the only remaining Road to Peace will have the added benefit of being the truth, when it unfolds.

Common sense, really.

One side has won.

One side has lost.

The losing side refuses to surrender.

The thing drags on for 66 years and causes a wide array of grief out and about in the wider world, in considerable disproportion to its size or mass or volume or general importance and value.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because the Losing Side has insanely and repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of, even as an interim measure.

The Palestinians will not be slaughtered nor cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand, so that cuts-down on US-internal resistance by several orders of magnitude, right there.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally-People who have a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked, and who have in recent decades re-discovered their identity and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, and carving out a new destiny and place in the world for themselves, while resurrecting their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks (myself included) do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

What a Load of Crap.

Thank you for checking-in with your feedback.

It will be given attention in direct proportion to its intellectual quality and usefulness.

 

[montelatici]

Keep dreaming and keep hating...

It is not a dream.

It is the purest logic, and the only way remaining to cut the Gordian Knot.

There is no hate in this, other than hate of continued, pointless conflict.

I think Islam is a gigantic fraud and a Neanderthal system, and I don't like the unfounded arrogance and hate-mongering and bigotry and hypocrisy of many of its adherents, and I see it as the single largest threat to the General Peace of the next century or two, and I sometimes hate-back, those who hate us, but, there is no general hatred embedded in my own positions.

...But, you seem to be happy that people you don't know were expelled from their land and homes just because they were Christians and Muslims instead of Jews. That's what I will never understand.

I am routinely glad to see Muslim Palestinians pushed off their remaining lands, because the sooner the job is done, the sooner they're relocated elsewhere, and the sooner this whole thing begins to diffuse into an ethereal memory. This is the painful precursor to something better for both Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews which is likely to materialize from all of this in the future.

Because of my own historical Christian affiliations (personal and familial and ancestral) I am routinely saddened to see when Christian Palestinians foolishly side with Palestinian Muslims and damage their prospects for sustaining a continued long-term presence in the Holy Land, but I am consoled that they will be better-treated at the end of the day than their Muslim counterparts and - beyond the simplistic mindset of needing to break a few eggs to make omelettes - I know that those of them who already reside within existing Israeli borders and who are citizens of Israel can actually live very happy and empowered lives in many instances.

But much of that is personal opinion and perspective, and does not advance the general discussion.

I think that you should forget the indoctrination and brainwashing and support Christian Palestinians instead of their oppressors.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6SkQo53ATQ"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6SkQo53ATQ[/ame]

 

[pbel]

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed thusly.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed here in the United States as the only remaining Road to Peace, after 60+ years of trying, and the insane intransigence of the Palestinian side.

And it will accepted here in the United States as just that, when the time comes.

Remember that you heard that here first.

Fortunately, the idea that it will (by then) be the only remaining Road to Peace will have the added benefit of being the truth, when it unfolds.

Common sense, really.

One side has won.

One side has lost.

The losing side refuses to surrender.

The thing drags on for 66 years and causes a wide array of grief out and about in the wider world, in considerable disproportion to its size or mass or volume or general importance and value.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because the Losing Side has insanely and repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of, even as an interim measure.

The Palestinians will not be slaughtered nor cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand, so that cuts-down on US-internal resistance by several orders of magnitude, right there.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally-People who have a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked, and who have in recent decades re-discovered their identity and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, and carving out a new destiny and place in the world for themselves, while resurrecting their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks (myself included) do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

What a Load of Crap.

Thank you for checking-in with your feedback.

It will be given attention in direct proportion to its intellectual quality and usefulness.

Welcome LD.

 

[Kondor3]

Keep dreaming and keep hating...

It is not a dream.

It is the purest logic, and the only way remaining to cut the Gordian Knot.

There is no hate in this, other than hate of continued, pointless conflict.

I think Islam is a gigantic fraud and a Neanderthal system, and I don't like the unfounded arrogance and hate-mongering and bigotry and hypocrisy of many of its adherents, and I see it as the single largest threat to the General Peace of the next century or two, and I sometimes hate-back, those who hate us, but, there is no general hatred embedded in my own positions.

...But, you seem to be happy that people you don't know were expelled from their land and homes just because they were Christians and Muslims instead of Jews. That's what I will never understand.

I am routinely glad to see Muslim Palestinians pushed off their remaining lands, because the sooner the job is done, the sooner they're relocated elsewhere, and the sooner this whole thing begins to diffuse into an ethereal memory. This is the painful precursor to something better for both Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews which is likely to materialize from all of this in the future.

Because of my own historical Christian affiliations (personal and familial and ancestral) I am routinely saddened to see when Christian Palestinians foolishly side with Palestinian Muslims and damage their prospects for sustaining a continued long-term presence in the Holy Land, but I am consoled that they will be better-treated at the end of the day than their Muslim counterparts and - beyond the simplistic mindset of needing to break a few eggs to make omelettes - I know that those of them who already reside within existing Israeli borders and who are citizens of Israel can actually live very happy and empowered lives in many instances.

But much of that is personal opinion and perspective, and does not advance the general discussion.

I think that you should forget the indoctrination and brainwashing and support Christian Palestinians instead of their oppressors...

Indoctrinated by whom?

Brainwashed by whom?

 

[pbel]

Do you really think that even the U.S. will support the ethnic cleansing of millions of people? You may think so, but real Americans, not people like you more loyal to Israel than the U.S., will not support it. Guaranteed.

When the time comes, it will not be portrayed as thus.

It will be portrayed as a Final Settlement of Accounts between Israel and Palestine.

It will be portrayed as baseball's "Sucker's Walk" after losing the bat-toss.

It will be portrayed as mere Population Transfer.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will not be cleansed.

The mixed-bag melange of ethnicities will merely be relocated.

Given relocation assistance, stake-money to start a new life, and, perhaps, a bit of wergeld as final compensation for their troubles.

It will be portrayed as the only remaining Road to Peace.

If you remove one of the Combatants, the War fizzles-out.

One of the Combatants will be removed, because they have repeatedly demonstrated that they will accept nothing less than complete control of the region formerly known as Old (pre-1948) Palestine, and because there is not enough left of Rump Palestine to make a viable country out of.

They will not be slaughtered or cleansed.

They will be relocated - moved out of the way, and paid-off, so that the rest of the world can get on with far more important business.

We will not have a direct hand.

Behind the scenes, however, we may very well pump support and funding to the Israelis, in pursuit of this lofty goal.

BTW...

My first loyalty is the the United States of America; her People, her Constitution, and her long-term best interests.

My interest in Israeli is merely that of someone wishing to help an ally who has a centuries -long history of getting their asses kicked and who have now re-discovered their identify and courage as a people and who are largely helping themselves, in order to resurrect their old homeland.

If Israel's interests and those of the United States ever substantively and overwhelmingly differ, I will side with the United States rather than Israel.

It's just that most folks do not perceive that those interests have entered upon divergent pathways.

Keep dreaming and keep hating. But, you seem to be happy that people you don't know were expelled from their land and homes just because they were Christians and Muslims instead of Jews. That's what I will never understand.

You have to forgive Kondor, recently released from an insane asylum with Phoenall, they got parts in a new version of Gilbert and Sullivan's HMS Pinafore...

Kondor sings, "I polished all me brass, never went to sea
And they made me admiral of the Queen's Navy!"

Let him dream and Limp his cannons.

 

[montelatici]

It is not a dream.

It is the purest logic, and the only way remaining to cut the Gordian Knot.

There is no hate in this, other than hate of continued, pointless conflict.

I think Islam is a gigantic fraud and a Neanderthal system, and I don't like the unfounded arrogance and hate-mongering and bigotry and hypocrisy of many of its adherents, and I see it as the single largest threat to the General Peace of the next century or two, and I sometimes hate-back, those who hate us, but, there is no general hatred embedded in my own positions.


I am routinely glad to see Muslim Palestinians pushed off their remaining lands, because the sooner the job is done, the sooner they're relocated elsewhere, and the sooner this whole thing begins to diffuse into an ethereal memory. This is the painful precursor to something better for both Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews which is likely to materialize from all of this in the future.

Because of my own historical Christian affiliations (personal and familial and ancestral) I am routinely saddened to see when Christian Palestinians foolishly side with Palestinian Muslims and damage their prospects for sustaining a continued long-term presence in the Holy Land, but I am consoled that they will be better-treated at the end of the day than their Muslim counterparts and - beyond the simplistic mindset of needing to break a few eggs to make omelettes - I know that those of them who already reside within existing Israeli borders and who are citizens of Israel can actually live very happy and empowered lives in many instances.

But much of that is personal opinion and perspective, and does not advance the general discussion.

I think that you should forget the indoctrination and brainwashing and support Christian Palestinians instead of their oppressors...

Indoctrinated by whom?

Brainwashed by whom?

Americans are brainwashed about Israel as children in school. I was. Until I went to college I believed all the propaganda that you believe. I, luckily, took various courses on Middle East politics and history and discovered that I had been indoctrinated in elementary and high school. I remember clearly a college course which demonstrated with tapes of the transmissions, how all the radio broadcasts that urged the non-Jews to flee or be killed were Jewish transmissions. The rest of the propaganda became obvious and source data contradicted it all.