We have become cowards

[Curried Goats]

From where and when did you arrive to the US? (If it is not too personal information for you, of course).

Jamaica to Miami in the 80s.

 

[ESay]

Jamaica to Miami in the 80s.

Oh, a lot of time has passed since then. It is strange then you wrote 'your' country while responding to some post above. It is your country now too, should be at least.

 

[Curried Goats]

Oh, a lot of time has passed since then. It is strange then you wrote 'your' country while responding to some post above. It is your country now too, should be at least.

Lol. It is my country too you're right but it's a common theme to hear white racists talk about their losing the country and white replacement theory and so I like to phrase it a way that makes fun of that victim complex.

 

[Blues Man]

Dude....................Marlboro never said that they tasted good like a cigarette should. That was Winston.



Marlboro's ad campaign uses the Marlboro man.

Would help if you could get your commercials right.

BFD

Are you too obtuse to get the reference?

 

[ESay]

Lol. It is my country too you're right but it's a common theme to hear white racists talk about their losing the country and white replacement theory and so I like to phrase it a way that makes fun of that victim complex.

Well, that is somewhat understandable. People, especially getting older, are afraid of changes. Especially if these changes are fundamental. Except of that, old bias isn't easy to overcome.

 

[Curried Goats]

Well, that is somewhat understandable. People, especially getting older, are afraid of changes. Especially if these changes are fundamental. Except of that, old bias isn't easy to overcome.

Oh I understand it but age has nothing to do with it. I have plenty of grandparents and none of them are ignorant bigots. The problem is their backwards racist culture.

 

[ESay]

Oh I understand it but age has nothing to do with it. I have plenty of grandparents and none of them are ignorant bigots. The problem is their backwards racist culture.

Some of them just remember the 'old good days' when minorities stayed in their neighbourhoods and weren't welcomed to go out of there. The problems which were there were the minorities' problems and no one cared about them.

But at some point, when internal limits expired, these problems became problems for all. Many people, without proper skills and education, discriminated for years, became the part of American society from which they had virtually been excluded for years. And of course that couldn't go smooth. Because many just didn't find themselves in this society and engaged in a criminal way of life. That in turn resulted in more prejudice against them from the part of some people. Either this vicious circle will be broken or the US awaits really grim future.

 

[Curried Goats]

Some of them just remember the 'old good days' when minorities stayed in their neighbourhoods and weren't welcomed to go out of there. The problems which were there were the minorities' problems and no one cared about them.

Remembering fondly the days they used to keep blacks in their place is exactly what I mean by their backwards and racist culture. But I suppose that's the inevitable result of idolaizing and hero worshipping slavers and rapists.

But at some point, when internal limits expired, these problems became problems for all. Many people, without proper skills and education, discriminated for years, became the part of American society from which they had virtually been excluded for years. And of course that couldn't go smooth. Because many just didn't find themselves in this society and engaged in a criminal way of life. That in turn resulted in more prejudice against them from the part of some people. Either this vicious circle will be broken or the US awaits really grim future.

It didn't go smoothly because racist whites continued to terrorize and criminalize black people. The only way to break the vicious cycle is to drive that racist white supremacist culture to extinction.

 

[ESay]

didn't go smoothly because racist whites continued to terrorize and criminalize black people. The only way to break the vicious cycle is to drive that racist white supremacist culture to extinction

And what should be done to drive this culture out? What main say three steps would you approve if you were to make the decision on it?

 

[Curried Goats]

And what should be done to drive this culture out? What main say three steps would you approve if you were to make the decision on it?

Education and propaganda.

 

[ESay]

Education and propaganda.

Yes, but this should be a two way road. The minorities should also accept that what happened in the past can't justify privileges lasting forever. And that such a thing as affirmative action is a temporary measure which should be ended at some point in the future.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yes, but this should be a two way road. The minorities should also accept that what happened in the past can't justify privileges lasting forever. And that such a thing as affirmative action is a temporary measure which should be ended at some point in the future.

Why should it be a two way road and why should minorities accept there will be no recompense for past injustice? It's that unwillingness to reconcile with those atrocities why it's a better use of our time to promote education among your children so they aren't ignorant of history while promoting propaganda that teaches them that idolaizing slavers and rapists is deplorable and shameful. Their political support coupled with the growing minority demographics should eventually be enough to take this country from you and do it ourselves.

 

[ESay]

Why should it be a two way road and why should minorities accept there will be no recompense for past injustice? It's that unwillingness to reconcile with those atrocities why it's a better use of our time to promote education among your children so they aren't ignorant of history while promoting propaganda that teaches them that idolaizing slavers and rapists is deplorable and shameful. Their political support coupled with the growing minority demographics should eventually be enough to take this country from you and do it ourselves.

Because people should be equal. With no regards of their color, gender, religion etc. Making privileges based on the race isn't a fighting against racism, on the contrary it promotes racism.

I don't say there shouldn't be social and economic programs directed on the minorities. Housing projects in poor neighbourhoods, financing for education and medical programs for people there, affirmative action. These things make sense. But at some point in the future this should be halted or significantly curbed. You can't build socialism in one neighbourhood or another and expect other people to finance it forever. At some point, people there will have to take their fate in their own hands.

Take country from 'me' and do it ourselves? What exactly do you mean?

 

[Curried Goats]

Because people should be equal. With no regards of their color, gender, religion etc. Making privileges based on the race isn't a fighting against racism, on the contrary it promotes racism.

I'm not making privileges based on race, I'm talking about recompense for past injustice. If you recognize that recompense follows along racial lines it's only because so too did those previous injustices. This is what I mean about educating ignorant racists about history.

I don't say there shouldn't be social and economic programs directed on the minorities. Housing projects in poor neighbourhoods, financing for education and medical programs for people there, affirmative action. These things make sense. But at some point in the future this should be halted or significantly curbed. You can't build socialism in one neighbourhood or another and expect other people to finance it forever. At some point, people there will have to take their fate in their own hands.

Again, you show a remarkable ignorance of actual history. What you describe is exactly what white racists did throughout the history of this nation. They grew this country's wealth on the backs of slaves and in 1930s when FDR used that wealth to help grow the white middle class, build affordable housing, improve public education and ensure white Americans had enough for retirement they largely excluded Black Americans. I'd suggest racist whites heed their own advice and realize you can't finance your wealth on the backs of others and not expect them to come looking for their cut.

Take country from 'me' and do it ourselves? What exactly do you mean?

I mean diminish white supremacist political power by pushing their culture to extinction and you do that by shaming and ridiculing them for their deplorable and ignorant beliefs while educating their children on real history so they understand the irony and hypocrisy of implying that Black Americans were somehow exploiting hard working whites.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Oh, you were trying to tell me you were Jewish in the most cryptic way possible all because of a victim complex.... lol.

Nope. I am trying to tell you this so that we are on even footing. Jews are not victims. We are the smartest and most successful group in the US. We also don’t kill each other at record rates.

 

[Curried Goats]

Nope. I am trying to tell you this so that we are on even footing. Jews are not victims. We are the smartest and most successful group in the US. We also don’t kill each other at record rates.

Jews were victims and their success is a testament to the power of reparations and redistributive justice.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Jews were victims and their success is a testament to the power of reparations and redistributive justice.

Were. So were Asians. Both very successful groups now. My parents didn’t receive any reparations nor do they hold any power. Keep trying. You glossed over the part how we help one another vs. killing each other at record rates. Interesting how that it is.

 

[ESay]

I'm not making privileges based on race, I'm talking about recompense for past injustice. If you recognize that recompense follows along racial lines it's only because so too did those previous injustices. This is what I mean about educating ignorant racists about history.

Again, you show a remarkable ignorance of actual history. What you describe is exactly what white racists did throughout the history of this nation. They grew this country's wealth on the backs of slaves and in 1930s when FDR used that wealth to help grow the white middle class, build affordable housing, improve public education and ensure white Americans had enough for retirement they largely excluded Black Americans. I'd suggest racist whites heed their own advice and realize you can't finance your wealth on the backs of others and not expect them to come looking for their cut.

I mean diminish white supremacist political power by pushing their culture to extinction and you do that by shaming and ridiculing them for their deplorable and ignorant beliefs while educating their children on real history so they understand the irony and hypocrisy of implying that Black Americans were somehow exploiting hard working whites.

The US' wealth wasn't built on the back of slaves. Or more correctly, their back wasn't the only one. There was time, when the Irish made the majority of immigrants and were doing the bulk of dirty work in construction and industry, as one of examples.

And as I said above, it is understandable that the Black people demand their share. But after all, these preferences won't go generations after generations.

 

[Curried Goats]

Were. So were Asians. Both very successful groups now. My parents didn’t receive any reparations nor do they hold any power. Keep trying. You glossed over the part how we help one another vs. killing each other at record rates. Interesting how that it is.

Whether or not your parents personally received reparations is unverifiable and besides the point. Jewish families in large part did, nevermind the creation of a nation-state protected by the full might of the American military. Now go ahead and deny real history if you want, you really can't look any more of a moron than you already do.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Whether or not your parents personally received reparations is unverifiable and besides the point. Jewish families in large part did, nevermind the creation of a nation-state protected by the full might of the American military. Now go ahead and deny real history if you want, you really can't look any more of a moron than you already do.

WRONG

My parents escaped the old Soviet Union. Came here with nothing and didn't speak the language. They did not receive one penny of reparations. They did not ask for any handouts. They are still alive and kicking. And they donate monies to Jewish charities annually as well as host families here and there. They are just kind working people and you demonize them for the color of their skin. They never owned slaves. They were never a part of Jim Crow. You're the racist here. Difference is, they are kind people. I am not. I call your shit out, little man.