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[Missourian]

That was old news. Werner won with a reverse of the verdict.

Werner Wins $100M Nuclear Verdict Reversal by Texas Court - TT

The Texas Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Werner Enterprises, reversing a $100 million jury verdict against the motor carrier upheld by an appellate court.

www.ttnews.com

I missed seeing this reversal. Thanks for posting it.

Thank goodness common sense prevailed.

Unfortunately it took years and who knows how many appeals courts to locate and apply it.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I missed seeing this reversal. Thanks for posting it.

Thank goodness common sense prevailed.

Unfortunately it took years and who knows how many appeals courts to locate and apply it.

Yea I was going to mention that this reversal didn't come right away. It took many years, and just happened at the end of June.

 

[Missourian]

I can PROMISE you that you can't "break up ice" under your rig. That is one of the silliest things I've ever read in my life. I've spun out on ice that was so thin you could hardly see it. You're not an ice breaker. You're a soft rubber tire that will just slide over the top. I don't care how much you weigh.

I've also driven over soft snow, that when run over by my truck, packed into a sheet of ice that I couldn't get off of, or if I could get off of it with my driver, my trailer axles were sliding around on the new sheet of ice my drive axles created for it.

Please don't drive an 18 wheeler with this attitude. You're going to kill yourself or others. What you are SUPPOSED to do, when its getting cold and rainy, is watch the trailer spray. If you've got a good pile of spray behind you, it's still liquid. If you don't, you're on ice. At that point you should put the truck in neutral and NOT change direction or lanes whatsoever. Whatever you do, DO NOT TOUCH THE BRAKES. Let the vehicles' momentum slow down. If you're heavy this can take so long you'll shit your pants repeatedly, but you won't lose control.

Only been doing it for 25 years...

...with doubles...

...every winter...

I'm at 2.7 million safe miles.

Where are you?

 

[toobfreak]

There is no DOT requirement to salt roads.

I got stuck in the great ice storm of 2021 in Dallas. The ice was 3/4" thick. Vehicles, including my 80k lb rig, came to a complete stop. We were stuck. Eventually we tried and I was able to get moving, very slowly. Others, who were in the right lane, slid off the road. Texas doesn't salt their roads, so if you hit ice in Texas, you're fucked.

I'm not sure what works for trucks but good studs are killer on cars. That said, I can't really blame Texas. I had relatives who lived on the Delmarva peninsula. Nearly dead flat there. My aunt used to kid about one part of a highway where there was about a 3° incline to the road: "Look out! We are coming to a hill!"

Of course, she knew what a real hill was like.

If it snows there just enough to turn the road white (it rarely snows there), they close the schools. They don't even sell snow tires in the stores because there is no demand for them.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Only been doing it for 25 years...

...with doubles...

...every winter...

I'm at 2.7 million safe miles.

Where are you?

That's bullshit. NO truck driver believes they can "break up" ice with an 18 wheeler. If they actually believe this, they'll end up in a ditch.

Just because you've driven safely doesn't make what you say true. It means you got ******* lucky.

But honestly, I think you're full of shit. You never drove in your life. If you have, you're a danger to society.

I'm at 9 years, well over a million miles, and NEVER ONCE said I could "break up ice" with an 18 wheeler. 18 wheelers are a tad bit safer in icy conditions simply because they have more tires on the road, NOT because they "break" anything up.

But in the ice storm of 2021 in Dallas I saw 4 wheelers drive right around trucks that were stuck on the ice. So it's all relative and absolutely no "rule of thumb" can be applied.

 

[Missourian]

That's bullshit. NO truck driver believes they can "break up" ice with an 18 wheeler. If they actually believe this, they'll end up in a ditch.

You're full of shit. You never drove in your life. If you have, you're a danger to society.

I'm at 9 years, well over a million miles, and NEVER ONCE said I could "break up ice" with an 18 wheeler.

Nine whole years, huh?

Weird that I've never driven.

Wonder what this FLD120 is doing parked here in my yard.

My engine has more miles on it than you do.

Ask someone who knows why cars slide off the road and trucks don't.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Nine whole years, huh?

Weird that I've never driven.

Wonder what this FLD120 is doing parked here in my yard.

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My engine has more miles on it than you do.

Ask someone who knows why cars slide off the road and trucks don't.

I have no idea where you got that pic of that truck. Even if that is sitting in your yard, it means nothing. It certainly doesn't make what you said true.

Trucks don't "break up ice."

Prove that they do. Show me a SINGLE link with ANY proof that a truck "breaks up ice." A heavier truck might get a little better traction, but it has nothing to do with breaking up anything.

If anything, simple physics shows you to be full of shit. If you're driving along, your truck is hitting solid ice. Until it's under the wheels and "feels" the weight, it wouldn't be cracked anyway. So even if true, it would leave a pile of "cracked ice" behind it, but it would be hitting solid ice. And cracked ice is still ice. It doesn't magically remove itself and give you traction.

So yea, you're full of shit, dude.

 

[Missourian]

But in the ice storm of 2021 in Dallas I saw 4 wheelers drive right around trucks that were stuck on the ice. So it's all relative and absolutely no "rule of thumb" can be applied.

The ice storm I was in in Dallas wasn't in 2021. Maybe 2014-2016.

There was like three inches of ice.

Yeah, nothing is going break that up.

I'm talking that .25 mm of ice that forms in an icy storm. The shearing force of a heavy truck does break that ice down enough that a truck can retain traction when a light car cannot.

Seen it hundreds of times over the years. You have too, just don't think of it that way.

And I drag one foot (2 cylinder compression braking) in the winter instead of using the breaks. Oh noes!

The new guys are trained that they'll fly off the road upsidedown and backwards if they do that.

But, IMO, it's far safer than braking.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The ice storm I was in in Dallas wasn't in 2021. Maybe 2014-2016.

There was like three inches of ice.

Yeah, nothing is going break that up.

I'm talking that .25 mm of ice that forms in an icy storm. The shearing force of a heavy truck does break that ice down enough that a truck can retain traction when a light car cannot.

Seen it hundreds of times over the years. You have too, just don't think of it that way.

And I drag one foot (2 cylinder compression braking) in the winter instead of using the breaks. Oh noes!

The new guys are trained that they'll fly off the road upsidedown and backwards if they do that.

But, IMO, it's far safer than braking.

Ok, prove it. Show me one link that says trucks are safer than 4 wheelers because their weight means they can break up ice.

I'm sorry, I still say you're full of shit. A very thin sheen of ice is still ice and you will slide on it, even at 80,000lbs. That's why it's called black ice. It's hard to see. If trucks didn't need to worry about it because it was thin and they were heavy, that would be taught in CDL school. Or MENTIONED SOMEWHERE on the internet.

If anything, your post proves experience does not equal knowledge. Driving a long time doesn't make you right, sorry. And I'm just assuming that you did drive like you said you did. Which makes it worse for you, because I would expect a moron in CDL school to come up with a theory like that, not a driver with 25 years behind the wheel.

 

[Missourian]

Trucks don't "break up ice."

Prove that they do. Show me a SINGLE link with ANY proof that a truck "breaks up ice." A heavier truck might get a little better traction, but it has nothing to do with breaking up anything.

If anything, simple physics shows you to be full of shit. If you're driving along, your truck is hitting solid ice. Until it's under the wheels and "feels" the weight, it wouldn't be cracked anyway. So even if true, it would leave a pile of "cracked ice" behind it, but it would be hitting solid ice. And cracked ice is still ice. It doesn't magically remove itself and give you traction.

So yea, you're full of shit, dude.

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[airplanemechanic]

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Ok AI is a not valid link. LOL Try again.

And it says freezing rain, not ice.

Major fail.

 

[Missourian]

Ok, prove it. Show me one link that says trucks are safer than 4 wheelers because their weight means they can break up ice.

I'm sorry, I still say you're full of shit. A very thin sheen of ice is still ice and you will slide on it, even at 80,000lbs. That's why it's called black ice. It's hard to see. If trucks didn't need to worry about it because it was thin and they were heavy, that would be taught in CDL school. Or MENTIONED SOMEWHERE on the internet.

If anything, your post proves experience does not equal knowledge. Driving a long time doesn't make you right, sorry. And I'm just assuming that you did drive like you said you did. Which makes it worse for you, because I would expect a moron in CDL school to come up with a theory like that, not a driver with 25 years behind the wheel.

They don't teach it because they want you be afraid of the ice.

That ice storm in Dallas? I didn't see it until two days later. I stopped at the Petro in Pearsall Tx and sat there for two days.

Could I have chained up and handled that ice? Probably?

Was I going to try it with those idiots in Dallas? They can't drive when it's dry out. And 10 road graders wasn't going to cut it.

It's healthy to have a fear of icy roads. But I deliver shit that absolutely, positively has to be there overnight. If I can continue, I need to continue.

 

[Missourian]

Ok AI is a not valid link. LOL Try again.

And it says freezing rain, not ice.

Major fail.

"On a slick, icy surface, this friction is minimal. A loaded semi, which can weigh up to 80,000 pounds, exerts a massive downward force on its tires. This force helps the tire's tread to bite through the thin layer of ice or water and make better contact with the pavement underneath.
In contrast, a passenger car, weighing a few thousand pounds, doesn't have enough weight to achieve the same level of traction. The car's tires can easily ride on top of the slick ice, leading to a loss of control..."

This is EXACTLY how it works.

You are wrong.

If you have a link that REFUTES this... feel free to post it.

But that onus is on you now.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Nine whole years, huh?

Weird that I've never driven.

Wonder what this FLD120 is doing parked here in my yard.

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My engine has more miles on it than you do.

Ask someone who knows why cars slide off the road and trucks don't.

nice looking truck

do not believe this "airplanemechanic". I trust you more than him. This guy is a threat to the road and needs his CDL yanked.
he threatened to kill people. Yes he posted a video "I am going to blow your ******* head off" or something very close to that.

 

[Mac-7]

nice looking truck

do not believe this "airplanemechanic". I trust you more than him. This guy is a threat to the road and needs his CDL yanked.
he threatened to kill people. Yes he posted a video "I am going to blow your ******* head off" or something very close to that.

Bleeding heart libs in california led by gavin Newsom are directly responsible for the death of the 3 innocent American citizens in this tragedy

 

[ThisIsMe]

They're all private carriers. Swift is a private carrier just like Werner. There are no gov't run trucking companies.

I meant, private as in, a very small carrier. I need to use my words better

 

[Missourian]

nice looking truck

do not believe this "airplanemechanic". I trust you more than him. This guy is a threat to the road and needs his CDL yanked.
he threatened to kill people. Yes he posted a video "I am going to blow your ******* head off" or something very close to that.

Truck drivers love to argue.

The joke is, there was a huge brawl at the truck stop. What caused it? Someone asked what time it was.

I developed a CB trick in the current age of trucking. My CB has an echo function on a switch.

I'll ask a question a couple times, then turn the switch off and answer myself wrong. The same guys who wouldn't answer fall all over themselves when they get to "correct" someone.

Luckily, I caught the end of the golden age of trucking. When there were no cellphones or GPS or automatics. There are still a few of us out there who conveyed across Ohio when the speed limit was 55.

It's a whole new world now.

 

[ThisIsMe]

But it has nothing to do with a "driver shortage." It has to do with the fact that Biden let these people in, who have no business in the country, they run fake DOT numbers, fake addresses, made up company names, so they don't pay required insurance premiums or anything, and take loads for rock bottom rates. They are the reason the trucking industry is in the shitter right now. These types of people drive freight rates down.

Take the time to watch this video and you can learn something. Well you can learn MANY THINGS about this industry. Notice this video is 4 months old. This is nothing new. It's reared its ugly head after Covid. Also Obama is partially responsible for this nightmare as well, as he relaxed the federal regulations about truck drivers needing to be able to read and write the English language.

Ive been driving trucks in one form or another since 2006.

Granted, I've only done a short time as long haul so i dont know much about the driver employment rate. Mostly I've been with private carriers (hauling our own equipment)

 

[JoeB131]

There is no truck driver shortage.

That's bullshit the big companies use to justify bringing in foreign drivers on visas so they can pay them peanuts.

The Great American Trucker Shortage Isn't Real

The trucking industry has a retention problem, not a recruitment problem.

time.com

Even the article you posted admitted there was a shortage.

There’s no trucker shortage; there’s a trucker retention problem created by the poor conditions that sprung up in the industry in the wake of 1980s deregulation. Turnover for truck drivers in fleets with more than $30 million of annual revenue was 92% at the end of 2020, meaning roughly 9 out of every 10 drivers will no longer be working for that company in a year.

“There’s no shortage of workers, that’s the narrative that gets propagated by industry leaders,” says Mike Chavez, the executive director of the Inland Empire Labor Institute, which is working on a partnership to create better recruiting and retention programs for drivers. “We still have a lot of positions that can’t be filled because of the working conditions.”

 

[JoeB131]

We do not have a trucker shortage in this country. When you drive down the ******* interstate, do you ever say to yourself "Where are all the trucks?" **** no. Every other vehicle on the road is a truck. We don't have a driver shortage, we have a driver RETENTION shortage. Nobody wants to do this ******* job because of the way we are treated out on the road, being gone from our families and homes for weeks or months at a time, having to eat crap food that is overpriced, fighting for what few parking spots there are for trucks, dealing with shippers and receivers who could give a rats ass about getting us in and out in a timely manner and for which the wait is unpaid to the driver. Yea, who wants to do this ******* job? I've been doing it for 9 years. People ask me if I recommend truck driving. **** no, not unless you stay local and go home every night. Where I live is a freight nightmare, NOTHING goes in and out of there. I've had to deadhead HUNDREDS of miles from Texas, Alabama or MS to try to get home for home time.

This is one of the only industries that has a GREATER THAN 100% turnover in employees.

We do not need illegal immigrants who can't read signs driving our trucks. NO ******* WAY.

So let me get this straight.

Truck drivers quit in droves because of the crappy working conditions (not necessarily the pay) and then you wonder why shippers have to turn to drivers who are licensed in other countries, but still allowed to drive here