Watch Armed Citizen Use Birdshot In A Gunfight, Proving Why It's A Bad Idea For Self Defense

[Zincwarrior]

More like it met my wants.

Cool. Can't pop 7 rounds into a target in one second though.

 

[1srelluc]

Cool. Can't pop 7 rounds into a target in one second though.

I only need one....The rest are, well, just in case there's more than one target or the first one needs an anchor shot.

 

[The Duke]

#4 shot.

 

[The Duke]

I prefer 00 Buck myself. I've heard a good argument for #1 Buck. If I were really concerned about over penetration, then
I'd use #4 Buck but no smaller. I put a 18.5" barrel on my 590 Mossy for ease of use indoors.

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Cool. Can't pop 7 rounds into a target in one second though.

9 with a shotgun, easy.

 

[The Duke]

How's the trigger?

Is it fairly accurate? No Boyd stocks for that?

 

[The Duke]

Where does Rock Salt out a 12-gauge come in on this spectrum?
I know somebody that caught an assfull of it.
Stray piece hit the back of my earlobe, but that's far from an assfull of rock salt. Ol' boy got hit. He got lit the **** up and my pain was not as large as his.
He couldn't tell his dad, his dad woulda whooped his ass.
"Dad, the old man shot me in the ass with rock salt cuz we were screwing around down by his junkyard."
His dad: "You were what?! C'mere boy, you need an ass-whipping."
Yeah, his dad never knew about that one. He had a painful 3-4 days, though.

 

[1srelluc]

#4 shot.

I've tried these in my Rhodesian A-5 but I still prefer #4 Buck....Only about 700 were imported (via SA) into Rhodesia....CAI imported about 300 into the US making them one of the most rare of the fighting shotguns. SARCO tried knocking them off but failed miserably.

They used an aluminum bodied shell at the time of the bush war.

4 SG/28B means four pellets of 0 buck and 28 BB. It was developed for use in the Malaysian Uprising and carried on (as surplus) into the bush war.

The Brits thought that if the buck did not kill the BBs would injure cause an infection (in jungle conditions) great enough to knock a terrorist out of the fight.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I prefer 00 Buck myself. I've heard a good argument for #1 Buck. If I were really concerned about over penetration, then
I'd use #4 Buck but no smaller. I put a 18.5" barrel on my 590 Mossy for ease of use indoors.

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When Autopen said "Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun". I took his advice. Got a Tokarev 12 gauge. 10 round magazines for it, first round is bird shot, the next consecutive shots are double 00.

 

[1srelluc]

When Autopen said "Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun". I took his advice. Got a Tokarev 12 gauge. 10 round magazines for it, first round is bird shot, the next consecutive shots are double 00.


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LOL....I just put the one I had on consignment. It ran well enough but I'm out of my bullpup phase. Mine is the OD green version.

 

[The Duke]

When Autopen said "Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun". I took his advice. Got a Tokarev 12 gauge. 10 round magazines for it, first round is bird shot, the next consecutive shots are double 00.


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Just before that I was looking at some semi-auto shotguns, one for each hand for $240 apiece. It's more than that now.
May as well get the $500-something one with a circular magazine and recoil is reduced thing.
Tbh, I think they were $140 apc. wtf?
Yeah, that's why I haven't done that yet.
How many BBs fit into a .410 shell? Asking for a friend.

 

[Lockback]

I prefer 00 Buck myself. I've heard a good argument for #1 Buck. If I were really concerned about over penetration, then
I'd use #4 Buck but no smaller. I put a 18.5" barrel on my 590 Mossy for ease of use indoors.

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00 Buck for me as well. Although my Mossberg is just a backup. I have other things ahead of it.

 

[westwall]

Where does Rock Salt out a 12-gauge come in on this spectrum?
I know somebody that caught an assfull of it.
Stray piece hit the back of my earlobe, but that's far from an assfull of rock salt. Ol' boy got hit. He got lit the **** up and my pain was not as large as his.
He couldn't tell his dad, his dad woulda whooped his ass.
"Dad, the old man shot me in the ass with rock salt cuz we were screwing around down by his junkyard."
His dad: "You were what?! C'mere boy, you need an ass-whipping."
Yeah, his dad never knew about that one. He had a painful 3-4 days, though.

At point blank range it's lethal. Beyond that penetration plummets.

 

[The Duke]

At point blank range it's lethal. Beyond that penetration plummets.

10 yards was going by every second. Ol' boy was pissed we were in his junkyard. It was probably 30-35 yards.

 

[Jarlaxle]

OO buckshot, but shifted to 9mm gold dots or critical duty as got old and fat.

The daughter was a problem. She's this thin elf without strong fingers. She can't really rack a pistol slide or squeeze a revolver trigger. After some testing we have gone back to her first rifle. Its a youth sized 5lb semi .22lr rifle. Has a big bolt handle and moderate trigger. 25 round mag. Rack and magdump. Not a fan of .22 for defense but stingers meet FBI Penetration requirements and nothing says I love you like ten to the chest.

Serious question: does she have physical problems with her hands? I ask because my wife's best friend-all 4'6" and ~80lbs of her-has fired my S&W Model 29 many times. Her EDC is a revolver (S&W 36, IIRC, in .38 Special), because most semiautomatics have grips too large for her to use comfortably.

 

[1srelluc]

The Box O' Truth #33 - Rock Salt in a Shotgun

Lots of folks ask me, "Have you ever tried rock salt in a shotgun shell? Would this be a good load for personal defense?" We have seen it done in the movies. I remember an episode of "The Rifleman", where Lucas McCain shot some bad guys with a load of rock salt. I never understood why, but...

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[the watcher]

Birdshot will deter a threat, but it will not stop it immediately. It took 17 years for the lawyer Cheney shot to die, but he wasn't a threat for the rest of that day. Texas attorney shot by Dick Cheney during 2006 hunting trip dies

 

[Zincwarrior]

Serious question: does she have physical problems with her hands? I ask because my wife's best friend-all 4'6" and ~80lbs of her-has fired my S&W Model 29 many times. Her EDC is a revolver (S&W 36, IIRC, in .38 Special), because most semiautomatics have grips too large for her to use comfortably.

Good question: Yes.
I will just leave it at that.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Birdshot will deter a threat, but it will not stop it immediately. It took 17 years for the lawyer Cheney shot to die, but he wasn't a threat for the rest of that day. Texas attorney shot by Dick Cheney during 2006 hunting trip dies

Satan dies and all the minions showed up for his funeral.