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From post # 281 here: Should AZ Force Gay People To Promote Christian Ideals Against Homosexuality?
Well there was a fundamental change in law however in that five lawyers in the USSC said "we no longer believe as we did with Windsor that states have the right to set marriage parameters. We now believe that just we five have that exclusive right now when it comes to stripping children in the marriage institution of both a mother and father."
They used states' rights to set parameters for marriage AS THE REASON they awarded Windsor her money. Then five rogue un-elected lawyers turned on their heel and said two years later "well we said the fed had no business in telling states who may or may not marry, (the logic they used to strike DOMA) but now we're saying the fed DOES have the right to tell states who may or may not marry". That is EXACTLY what the five rogue lawyers on the USSC said.
Essentially they said "when Christian values at the fed level want to ban gay marriage, it isn't allowed, it's up to the states. But when gay values at the fed level want to force gay marriage on the states who don't want it, then the states have no rights." Thereby Obergefell established de facto an official position on moral values by the fed, one over the other. The Windsor/Obergefell forced-cult-values situation can be overturned on the 1st Amendment banning the government using preference in moral values over another. The same logic that struck DOMA can be used to strike Obergefell.
Windsor/Obergefell was a COMPLETE FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL REVERSAL in just two years time that was justified by a government sponsoring one set of moral values over another. (No wonder Scalia lost his shit and died just months after Obergefell. His body just shut down after his mind was completely blown? )
Christians are already protected by PA laws and the USSC has already declared PA laws Constitutional....so your only route is to get them repealed at the state level.
Well we've seen the lightening speed with which the USSC reverses its own decisions. Case in point, Windsor 2013 said 56 times that the right to set marriage constructs rests with the states; and on that premise, Windsor was awarded her money. Lifestyle-Marriage Equality Slugout: State Authority vs Federal? Then just two years later, in Obergefell they said "oh, now, we changed our mind, now that power rests with the fed".
There was no mind-changing between those two ruling.
Well there was a fundamental change in law however in that five lawyers in the USSC said "we no longer believe as we did with Windsor that states have the right to set marriage parameters. We now believe that just we five have that exclusive right now when it comes to stripping children in the marriage institution of both a mother and father."
They used states' rights to set parameters for marriage AS THE REASON they awarded Windsor her money. Then five rogue un-elected lawyers turned on their heel and said two years later "well we said the fed had no business in telling states who may or may not marry, (the logic they used to strike DOMA) but now we're saying the fed DOES have the right to tell states who may or may not marry". That is EXACTLY what the five rogue lawyers on the USSC said.
Essentially they said "when Christian values at the fed level want to ban gay marriage, it isn't allowed, it's up to the states. But when gay values at the fed level want to force gay marriage on the states who don't want it, then the states have no rights." Thereby Obergefell established de facto an official position on moral values by the fed, one over the other. The Windsor/Obergefell forced-cult-values situation can be overturned on the 1st Amendment banning the government using preference in moral values over another. The same logic that struck DOMA can be used to strike Obergefell.
Windsor/Obergefell was a COMPLETE FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL REVERSAL in just two years time that was justified by a government sponsoring one set of moral values over another. (No wonder Scalia lost his shit and died just months after Obergefell. His body just shut down after his mind was completely blown? )