Was the nuclear family a bad idea?

[Midnight FM]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

I always felt polygamy was the masculine choice of the two, I think most men do.

 

[Oddball]

Just when I think that the premises for you threads couldn't get more retarded, you outdo yourself again.

 

[Midnight FM]

I always felt polygamy was the masculine choice of the two, I think most men do.

That's my point. The nuclear family is, technically, more feminine, since it requires the man to sacrifice pursuing multiple women in order to preserve the welfare of the woman and the children.

 

[Midnight FM]

Just when I think that the premises for you threads couldn't get more retarded, you outdo yourself again.

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The Bible disagrees with you. Polygamy was a norm all throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm not saying I'm in favor of polygamy either. I'm just pointing it out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrat communists will get rid of those pesky moms and dads,

Democratic Socialists of America holds panel calling for dismantling of ‘inherently repressive’ and ‘racist’ nuclear family

The panel, titled “The Left and the Family: A Roundtable,” took place on July 4 and was part of the Socialism Conference in Chicago.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[whitehall]

The "nuclear family" wasn't invented. It was merely a descriptive term for a normal family. The purpose of a family is to create offspring to continue the species. The species cannot continue with the union of two men or two women.

 

[Rambunctious]

With polygamy there is a higher prevalence of mental health issues.... depression... anxiety... hostility... and lower self-esteem among women in polygamous marriages compared to those in monogamous relationships.... look up first wife syndrome... it does not work which is why most societies have gotten rid of it....

 

[kyzr]

The Bible disagrees with you. Polygamy was a norm all throughout the Old Testament.
And I'm not saying I'm in favor of polygamy either. I'm just pointing it out.

So explain the 6th commandment, Thou shalt not commit adultery

 

[Anathema]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

You see polygamy as the alternative to the Nuclear Family (hereafter NF). I disagree. The opposite of the NF is the Feminist Movement, which promotes a Superior Female ideology under which women become not equal but more powerful and important than the men around them. That idea, which has had growing support in much of western society since the 1960s, has caused serious dangerous nation, our culture and our society.

 

[buttercup]

The Bible disagrees with you. Polygamy was a norm all throughout the Old Testament.

And I'm not saying I'm in favor of polygamy either. I'm just pointing it out.

God created marriage and His idea of marriage was made very clear from the start. One man and one woman.

As for polygamy, just because the Bible records things that happened in the culture at that time doesn't mean that it's from God or what God wants. So your statement above is blatantly misleading....whether you were being purposely dishonest or not I don't know.

But based on all your threads promoting authoritarianism and other horrible ideas? I'm leaning toward thinking you must be a troll.

 

[Midnight FM]

The "nuclear family" wasn't invented. It was merely a descriptive term for a normal family. The purpose of a family is to create offspring to continue the species.

Polygamy was a norm in ancient times, and still is today in some parts of the world.

Abolishing polygamy and requiring that men limit themselves to one woman wasn't about "creating offspring", since it's a less-efficient method of doing it, and also prevents men with "better genes" from siring more offspring with multiple women.

It was created because it was viewed as offering better welfare to women and children, and was more egalitarian, since it prevented more "powerful" men from taking all of the women for themselves.

The species cannot continue with the union of two men or two women.

The species can continue at a much faster rate if the man is allowed to impregnate multiple women.

 

[Midnight FM]

God created marriage and His idea of marriage was made very clear from the start. One man and one woman.

God didn't create marriage in a legal or ceremonial sense. Those institutions simply developed after the advent of civilization.

Adam and Eve had no need for legal or ceremonial formalities.

As for polygamy, just because the Bible records things that happened in the culture at that time doesn't mean that it's from God or what God wants. So your statement above is blatantly misleading....whether you were being purposely dishonest or not I don't know.

But based on all your threads promoting authoritarianism and other horrible ideas? I'm leaning toward thinking you must be a troll.

While I agree that the ideal of one man and one woman being united has always existed, so has the reality of polygamy. If you want to bring God into it, he allowed polygamy all throughout the Old Testament.

 

[JohnDB]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

The nuclear Family is the best....no matter what.
And the wealthiest or most powerful men will always have consorts/second wives/girlfriends.
Fleas come with the dog.

However the nuclear family promotes and creates the most stable and best offspring of any other family model. (Currently single parent families are the largest demographic in the USA just edging out two parent families)

The lack of marriages is increasing. And the number of live births per female is decreasing to the point that we are no longer a growing society. Even 2nd generation immigrants are failing to reproduce.

The former model of male economic dominance in the family has also gone out the window. Men are not completing post-secondary educations (if they start at all).
So their earning potential has suffered as a result. But the net income is roughly equal once you subtract out the cost of student loan repayment. So the women earn more income but pay higher taxes and pay student loans. The net is roughly equal to the men without degrees.

However, men are still reticent to impregnate women for children. Women don't want the children due to career suicide by having them. All boiling down to economic factors of daycare, medical care and education. 4 children in one family by two parents is an oddity instead of a norm. 3 children was once considered a small family where 12 was considered large. Now if you have 3 kids everyone thinks of this as a large family.

 

[buttercup]

God didn't create marriage in a legal or ceremonial sense. Those institutions simply developed after the advent of civilization.

Adam and Eve had no need for legal or ceremonial formalities.


While I agree that the ideal of one man and one woman being united has always existed, so has the reality of polygamy. If you want to bring God into it, he allowed polygamy all throughout the Old Testament.

God created the model, and it's very clear. And Jesus reiterated God's idea of marriage. (Mark 10:6–8)

So you trying to equate God's idea of marriage to polygamy is either purposely dishonest... or dense. Not sure which in your case.

Also, God allows a lot of bad things to happen, because he created us with free will... and instead of being a tyrant and forcing us to do the right thing, he wants US to learn to do the right thing and do it on our own volition.

But what you (and many others) don't seem to get is that just because God allows bad things to happen doesn't mean it's what He wants or approves of.

 

[Midnight FM]

You see polygamy as the alternative to the Nuclear Family (hereafter NF). I disagree.

The opposite of the NF is the Feminist Movement, which promotes a Superior Female ideology under which women become not equal but more powerful and important than the men around them.

You haven't substantiated any of that whatsoever.

That idea, which has had growing support in much of western society since the 1960s, has caused serious dangerous nation, our culture and our society.

I've explained to you before that women born into wealthy and well-educated families have always had more power than the average man, no matter how far back in ancient history you go, where the "average man" was naught more than an illiterate slave, completely at the whim of his queen or empress.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The Bible disagrees with you. Polygamy was a norm all througamyghout the Old Testament.

And I'm not saying I'm in favor of polygamy either. I'm just pointing it out.

Polygamy was very necessary.

 

[Midnight FM]

Democrat communists will get rid of those pesky moms and dads,

Democratic Socialists of America holds panel calling for dismantling of ‘inherently repressive’ and ‘racist’ nuclear family

The panel, titled “The Left and the Family: A Roundtable,” took place on July 4 and was part of the Socialism Conference in Chicago.

thepostmillennial.com

You're going to better need to substantiate why the nuclear family is viewed as enabling capitalism.

I'll assume it has something to do with inheritance being passed down from parents to children, but I'm honestly unsure.

And, regardless, if a parent or parents are incompetent, abusive, or unable to provide for their offspring, then two parents merely residing in the same residence is going to do little to change that.

 

[yidnar]

For most of human history, polygamy was a norm, such as if one reads the Biblical Old Testament.

The nuclear family was invented because it was viewed as a better arrangement for women and children. It also benefitted "weaker men", so that the "powerful" men wouldn't take all of the women for themselves, and leave the weaker ones with none.

In the thread debating which politicians are more "masculine", someone asserted that supporting a nuclear family is "masculine", but if we look at the reality of the institution in question, it appears to be more "feminine" than the alternative, which is polygamy.

Paton had one wife .
Washington had one wife.
Teddy Roosevelt had one wife.

 

[Midnight FM]

Paton had one wife .
Washington had one wife.
Teddy Roosevelt had one wife.

Genghis Khan had hundreds of wives and concubines.