Was the Columbus, OH., police officer justified shooting the knife wielding girl? (poll)

[kyzr]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again is simply boils downt bab policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

1. There was no other option than to shoot the murdering perp, white or black to protect the unarmed girl.
Your answer is to let the murder happen??????? Unacceptable.

2. In 2022 and 2024 the voters will decide what type of police forces they want.

1. How do you know there was no other option? The police didn't even tell her to drop the knife. They just rolled up and opened fire without even trying other options. This is exactly the time to use the taser.

2. The girl dropped the knife when the first shot hit her. Why was it necessary to shoot her 3 more times in the chest? She might have survived one bullet.

3. What if the girl who was shot was the one being attacked and she was defending herself? That's what the bystanders said was happening. The 15 year old girl was being attacked by two adults, and she was defending herself with a KITCHEN knife. Her attackers were in no danger of being killed by that knife.

4. The voters have already decided and it's not a police force that shoots first and asks questions later.

American police shoot and kill more than 1000 people per year. They are more likely to shoot black people without trying to resolve the situation, than white people. A lot more likely. Furthermore, when police shoot white people, they are more likely to survive the shooting than black people. One shot will general stop them. Emptying clips into people generally kills them.

1. There were only two options, shoot the girl with the knife, or let the girl in pink die. Police policies are to protect the innocent. This case isn't even close. The shooting was totally justified according to current police policies.

2. The four shots were in rapid succession, when you're shooting looking down the barrel you don't have any vision other than hitting the target and not the "pink hostage".

3. What if pigs had wings? What if the moon was green cheese? What ifs aren't reality. Police training is reality, and the cop did what he was supposed to do.

4. The voters had nothing to do with this cop's actions. His training kicked-in and he did his job. If in the future police policies change, fine, however, I still think that the girls with knives about to stab an unarmed person will always be shot.

 

[Desperado]

This is what it is coming too

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

 

[Dragonlady]

And you would be wrong:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/firing-warning-shots-ok-in-some-cases-minister-says-1.1147477

Then there is this, from the United Nations about "use of force" in policing, and notice all of the things that police forces around the world do to minimize the use of force, and the consequences of using force. All things that are NOT happening in police forces all over the USA, when it comes American police forces and minority communities.

Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials

Whereas the work of law enforcement officials 1 is a social service of great importance and there is, therefore, a need to maintain and, whenever necessary, to improve the working conditions and status of these officials, Whereas a threat to the life and safety of law enforcement officials must...

www.ohchr.org

Who gives a rip what some minister in Canada thinks ...

And, even he came under fire for making such a ridiculous suggestion.

You said

I have to say the shooting was NOT justified. Clearly the police should not be risking their careers, nor the safety of their communities to protect black lives that don't matter. Had that girl stabbed and killed the other one, there wouldn't be any riots for the victim, because they only riot and loot for thugs.

Why even use the word "stab"?
That wind up to the right shows it was going to be a slash if anything at all.
Odds are it was only theatrics, since no blood had been spilled in the 15 minutes of knife wielding before the cops arrived.

Look stupid. This is the 2nd time I'm posting this. Its a stab in-progress. NOT A SLASH!
View attachment 484116
Look at the position of the knife again, it would have been:
stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab.........

The position of the knife is the classic defensive position, allowing the arm maximum extension, but limiting the downward force of the blade - the slashing position. The stabbing position is the classic "demento grip", with blade extending from the bottom of the palm, and the thumb and forefinger at the top of the handle.

I carried a knife all through my 20's and 30's for self defense and I was trained by friends in the military on how to use it. This girl is slashing at her attackers, in the classic defensive manner.

 

[Dragonlady]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

 

[Soupnazi630]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

He may have more convictions now but he did not at the time of the Floyd killing

 

[OKTexas]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

You stupid foreign commie bitch, an accusation does not equal a violation.

.

 

[Dragonlady]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

You stupid foreign commie bitch, an accusation does not equal a violation.

.

No, these weren't accusations. These were notices in his employee file, meaning the complaints had been upheld. He also killed a prior suspect. Just the smug look on his face, staring down the bystanders showed he KNEW he was going to get away with this one too.

Let's put it this way: You're calling George Floyd a "thug" based on his arrest record, and his arrest record is PUPPY SHIT compared to Chauvin's police jacket. Cops like Chauvin become cops so they can beat up people with impunity - especially minorities.

Cops like Chauvin go after minorities and those they deem to be less powerful. They lie in court and get away with it because the judges always believe the cops. They're officers of the court. They wouldn't lie. Chauvin was a thug and a bully. But he's a white guy so that's OK.

Chauvin goes after poor and minorities, because he'll be believed when he says they resisted. The original police report on George Floyd's death said he died because of a "medical emergency" while in police custody. Police called for assistance and he was transported to hospital where he later died. It wasn't until the videos started getting posted to social media, that the police even acknowledged that they had anything to do with his death.

Thugs and bullies always go after the people who won't be believed when they complain. Poor people. Minorities. Just like Jeffrey Epstein went after poor young girls. When they complained, well they were just teenage hookers who aged out of his sugar daddy age range. When Chauvin's victims complained, well they were just thugs and n'eer do wells. Look at their arrest records.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

Who was the real thug here?

Not Ma'Khia anymore..........

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're calling George Floyd a "thug" based on his arrest record,

That pregnant lady was axin' for it, right?

 

[Donald H]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again is simply boils downt bab policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

1. There was no other option than to shoot the murdering perp, white or black to protect the unarmed girl.
Your answer is to let the murder happen??????? Unacceptable.

2. In 2022 and 2024 the voters will decide what type of police forces they want.

1. How do you know there was no other option? The police didn't even tell her to drop the knife. They just rolled up and opened fire without even trying other options. This is exactly the time to use the taser.

2. The girl dropped the knife when the first shot hit her. Why was it necessary to shoot her 3 more times in the chest? She might have survived one bullet.

3. What if the girl who was shot was the one being attacked and she was defending herself? That's what the bystanders said was happening. The 15 year old girl was being attacked by two adults, and she was defending herself with a KITCHEN knife. Her attackers were in no danger of being killed by that knife.

4. The voters have already decided and it's not a police force that shoots first and asks questions later.

American police shoot and kill more than 1000 people per year. They are more likely to shoot black people without trying to resolve the situation, than white people. A lot more likely. Furthermore, when police shoot white people, they are more likely to survive the shooting than black people. One shot will general stop them. Emptying clips into people generally kills them.

1. There were only two options, shoot the girl with the knife, or let the girl in pink die. Police policies are to protect the innocent. This case isn't even close. The shooting was totally justified according to current police policies.

2. The four shots were in rapid succession, when you're shooting looking down the barrel you don't have any vision other than hitting the target and not the "pink hostage".

3. What if pigs had wings? What if the moon was green cheese? What ifs aren't reality. Police training is reality, and the cop did what he was supposed to do.

4. The voters had nothing to do with this cop's actions. His training kicked-in and he did his job. If in the future police policies change, fine, however, I still think that the girls with knives about to stab an unarmed person will always be shot.

Would you like to hear a totally different take on the incident? I find there is something wrong about each of your 4 points.

 

[OKTexas]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

You stupid foreign commie bitch, an accusation does not equal a violation.

.

No, these weren't accusations. These were notices in his employee file, meaning the complaints had been upheld. He also killed a prior suspect. Just the smug look on his face, staring down the bystanders showed he KNEW he was going to get away with this one too.

Let's put it this way: You're calling George Floyd a "thug" based on his arrest record, and his arrest record is PUPPY SHIT compared to Chauvin's police jacket. Cops like Chauvin become cops so they can beat up people with impunity - especially minorities.

Cops like Chauvin go after minorities and those they deem to be less powerful. They lie in court and get away with it because the judges always believe the cops. They're officers of the court. They wouldn't lie. Chauvin was a thug and a bully. But he's a white guy so that's OK.

Chauvin goes after poor and minorities, because he'll be believed when he says they resisted. The original police report on George Floyd's death said he died because of a "medical emergency" while in police custody. Police called for assistance and he was transported to hospital where he later died. It wasn't until the videos started getting posted to social media, that the police even acknowledged that they had anything to do with his death.

Thugs and bullies always go after the people who won't be believed when they complain. Poor people. Minorities. Just like Jeffrey Epstein went after poor young girls. When they complained, well they were just teenage hookers who aged out of his sugar daddy age range. When Chauvin's victims complained, well they were just thugs and n'eer do wells. Look at their arrest records.

Soooooooooooooooo many claims, not one link, typical commie.

.

 

[OKTexas]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again is simply boils downt bab policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

1. There was no other option than to shoot the murdering perp, white or black to protect the unarmed girl.
Your answer is to let the murder happen??????? Unacceptable.

2. In 2022 and 2024 the voters will decide what type of police forces they want.

1. How do you know there was no other option? The police didn't even tell her to drop the knife. They just rolled up and opened fire without even trying other options. This is exactly the time to use the taser.

2. The girl dropped the knife when the first shot hit her. Why was it necessary to shoot her 3 more times in the chest? She might have survived one bullet.

3. What if the girl who was shot was the one being attacked and she was defending herself? That's what the bystanders said was happening. The 15 year old girl was being attacked by two adults, and she was defending herself with a KITCHEN knife. Her attackers were in no danger of being killed by that knife.

4. The voters have already decided and it's not a police force that shoots first and asks questions later.

American police shoot and kill more than 1000 people per year. They are more likely to shoot black people without trying to resolve the situation, than white people. A lot more likely. Furthermore, when police shoot white people, they are more likely to survive the shooting than black people. One shot will general stop them. Emptying clips into people generally kills them.

1. There were only two options, shoot the girl with the knife, or let the girl in pink die. Police policies are to protect the innocent. This case isn't even close. The shooting was totally justified according to current police policies.

2. The four shots were in rapid succession, when you're shooting looking down the barrel you don't have any vision other than hitting the target and not the "pink hostage".

3. What if pigs had wings? What if the moon was green cheese? What ifs aren't reality. Police training is reality, and the cop did what he was supposed to do.

4. The voters had nothing to do with this cop's actions. His training kicked-in and he did his job. If in the future police policies change, fine, however, I still think that the girls with knives about to stab an unarmed person will always be shot.

Would you like to hear a totally different take on the incident? I find there is something wrong about each of your 4 points.

NO, your opinion is irrelevant to the topic. The facts support the officers actions.

.

 

[Soupnazi630]

"Getting shot by a cop" is the 6th leading cause of death for young black males:

Nobody said the thug life was easy.

The thug life has been a walk in the park for Derrick Chauvin and his 17 previous "excessive use of force violations". This is his 2nd killing of a suspect. Chauvin had more convictions for violence and murder than George Floyd. Who was the real thug here?

You stupid foreign commie bitch, an accusation does not equal a violation.

.

No, these weren't accusations. These were notices in his employee file, meaning the complaints had been upheld. He also killed a prior suspect. Just the smug look on his face, staring down the bystanders showed he KNEW he was going to get away with this one too.

Let's put it this way: You're calling George Floyd a "thug" based on his arrest record, and his arrest record is PUPPY SHIT compared to Chauvin's police jacket. Cops like Chauvin become cops so they can beat up people with impunity - especially minorities.

Cops like Chauvin go after minorities and those they deem to be less powerful. They lie in court and get away with it because the judges always believe the cops. They're officers of the court. They wouldn't lie. Chauvin was a thug and a bully. But he's a white guy so that's OK.

Chauvin goes after poor and minorities, because he'll be believed when he says they resisted. The original police report on George Floyd's death said he died because of a "medical emergency" while in police custody. Police called for assistance and he was transported to hospital where he later died. It wasn't until the videos started getting posted to social media, that the police even acknowledged that they had anything to do with his death.

Thugs and bullies always go after the people who won't be believed when they complain. Poor people. Minorities. Just like Jeffrey Epstein went after poor young girls. When they complained, well they were just teenage hookers who aged out of his sugar daddy age range. When Chauvin's victims complained, well they were just thugs and n'eer do wells. Look at their arrest records.

Wrong.

All complaints get entered into an officers file whether upheld or not.

 

[Turtlesoup]

And you would be wrong:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/firing-warning-shots-ok-in-some-cases-minister-says-1.1147477

Then there is this, from the United Nations about "use of force" in policing, and notice all of the things that police forces around the world do to minimize the use of force, and the consequences of using force. All things that are NOT happening in police forces all over the USA, when it comes American police forces and minority communities.

Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials

Whereas the work of law enforcement officials 1 is a social service of great importance and there is, therefore, a need to maintain and, whenever necessary, to improve the working conditions and status of these officials, Whereas a threat to the life and safety of law enforcement officials must...

www.ohchr.org

Who gives a rip what some minister in Canada thinks ...

And, even he came under fire for making such a ridiculous suggestion.

You said

I have to say the shooting was NOT justified. Clearly the police should not be risking their careers, nor the safety of their communities to protect black lives that don't matter. Had that girl stabbed and killed the other one, there wouldn't be any riots for the victim, because they only riot and loot for thugs.

Why even use the word "stab"?
That wind up to the right shows it was going to be a slash if anything at all.
Odds are it was only theatrics, since no blood had been spilled in the 15 minutes of knife wielding before the cops arrived.

Look stupid. This is the 2nd time I'm posting this. Its a stab in-progress. NOT A SLASH!
View attachment 484116
Look at the position of the knife again, it would have been:
stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab.........

The position of the knife is the classic defensive position, allowing the arm maximum extension, but limiting the downward force of the blade - the slashing position. The stabbing position is the classic "demento grip", with blade extending from the bottom of the palm, and the thumb and forefinger at the top of the handle.

I carried a knife all through my 20's and 30's for self defense and I was trained by friends in the military on how to use it. This girl is slashing at her attackers, in the classic defensive manner.

That's the dumbest explaination of anything that I have heard...girl with knife is pissed off slashing out the objects of her hate. Nothing more...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The position of the knife is the classic defensive position,

Defending herself against the unarmed girl who is backing away?

 

[Soupnazi630]

And you would be wrong:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/firing-warning-shots-ok-in-some-cases-minister-says-1.1147477

Then there is this, from the United Nations about "use of force" in policing, and notice all of the things that police forces around the world do to minimize the use of force, and the consequences of using force. All things that are NOT happening in police forces all over the USA, when it comes American police forces and minority communities.

Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials

Whereas the work of law enforcement officials 1 is a social service of great importance and there is, therefore, a need to maintain and, whenever necessary, to improve the working conditions and status of these officials, Whereas a threat to the life and safety of law enforcement officials must...

www.ohchr.org

Who gives a rip what some minister in Canada thinks ...

And, even he came under fire for making such a ridiculous suggestion.

You said

I have to say the shooting was NOT justified. Clearly the police should not be risking their careers, nor the safety of their communities to protect black lives that don't matter. Had that girl stabbed and killed the other one, there wouldn't be any riots for the victim, because they only riot and loot for thugs.

Why even use the word "stab"?
That wind up to the right shows it was going to be a slash if anything at all.
Odds are it was only theatrics, since no blood had been spilled in the 15 minutes of knife wielding before the cops arrived.

Look stupid. This is the 2nd time I'm posting this. Its a stab in-progress. NOT A SLASH!
View attachment 484116
Look at the position of the knife again, it would have been:
stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab.........

The position of the knife is the classic defensive position, allowing the arm maximum extension, but limiting the downward force of the blade - the slashing position. The stabbing position is the classic "demento grip", with blade extending from the bottom of the palm, and the thumb and forefinger at the top of the handle.

I carried a knife all through my 20's and 30's for self defense and I was trained by friends in the military on how to use it. This girl is slashing at her attackers, in the classic defensive manner.

No she is not and there is no such thing as a classic defensive position. She is attacking a woman who is walking a dog.

You have watched too many movies with knife fighting scenes.

 

[ChemEngineer]

If I wanted to:

"Go from the presence of a foolish man."
I wouldn't be here.

Where would you go to escape the presence of all foolish men?
Please tell everyone.

 

[DukeU]

This girl is slashing at her attackers, in the classic defensive manner.

So, it's safe to say she wasn't trained on how to properly use a knife.

OK, good to know, although I don't know how that will make a difference in this case.

 

[kyzr]

And you would be wrong:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/firing-warning-shots-ok-in-some-cases-minister-says-1.1147477

Then there is this, from the United Nations about "use of force" in policing, and notice all of the things that police forces around the world do to minimize the use of force, and the consequences of using force. All things that are NOT happening in police forces all over the USA, when it comes American police forces and minority communities.

Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials

Whereas the work of law enforcement officials 1 is a social service of great importance and there is, therefore, a need to maintain and, whenever necessary, to improve the working conditions and status of these officials, Whereas a threat to the life and safety of law enforcement officials must...

www.ohchr.org

Who gives a rip what some minister in Canada thinks ...

And, even he came under fire for making such a ridiculous suggestion.

You said

I have to say the shooting was NOT justified. Clearly the police should not be risking their careers, nor the safety of their communities to protect black lives that don't matter. Had that girl stabbed and killed the other one, there wouldn't be any riots for the victim, because they only riot and loot for thugs.

Why even use the word "stab"?
That wind up to the right shows it was going to be a slash if anything at all.
Odds are it was only theatrics, since no blood had been spilled in the 15 minutes of knife wielding before the cops arrived.

Look stupid. This is the 2nd time I'm posting this. Its a stab in-progress. NOT A SLASH!

Look at the position of the knife again, it would have been:
stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab.........

The position of the knife is the classic defensive position, allowing the arm maximum extension, but limiting the downward force of the blade - the slashing position. The stabbing position is the classic "demento grip", with blade extending from the bottom of the palm, and the thumb and forefinger at the top of the handle.

I carried a knife all through my 20's and 30's for self defense and I was trained by friends in the military on how to use it. This girl is slashing at her attackers, in the classic defensive manner.

Stop the bullshit.
1. There is no "classic defensive position", there are many ways to hold a knife, and the best way is to use all 5 fingers to grip, as the murderer is doing when she attacks the girl in pink. Its called the "reverse grip".
2. The blade can stab upward or sideways as the wrist can twist many ways.
3. There is no fucking way she can "slash" when the blade is facing down, she moves in for a stab in the neck, stab, stab,stab.stab.stab.stab.stab,stab,stab,stab,stab.... So I'm calling you a LIAR. Watch the video again until you learn.
4. The dead girl had no attackers, she is the attacker. She knocked the white girl to the ground without slashing her, before attacking the girl in pink, so you are just a stupid troll.
5. There are no mobs whining about the shooting because it was justified, as the above poll shows. It isn't even close. Move on moron.

Ohio officials release more body cam video of fatal police shooting of Black teen and urge community to await the facts | CNN

Columbus, Ohio, officials released additional body camera video on Wednesday of a police officer fatally shooting a Black teen who charged two females with a knife.

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