Was Hegel right? Capitalism and the Creative class

[RHARDBC]

dear, why did Fagor and Lehman go bankrupt?

because it's a business.

but its a cooperative business and cooperative businesses are supposed to be better because.... they cooperate[/QUOTE]

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, why did Fagor and Lehman go bankrupt?

because it's a business.

but its a cooperative business and cooperative businesses are supposed to be better because.... they cooperate

[/QUOTE]


and if that was true what lesson would we learn from that??

 

[RHARDBC]

dear, why did Fagor and Lehman go bankrupt?

because it's a business.

but its a cooperative business and cooperative businesses are supposed to be better because.... they cooperate

and if that was true what lesson would we learn from that??[/QUOTE]
that co-op business model is more effective, and future is for cooperatives.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Perhaps a difference, is that change in a democratic nation is different than change in a dictatorship. Our government responded to the pressure of the people, and their vote, and changed capitalism, removing some of the problems Marx saw. Instead of changing to communism, as Marx predicted, the change was to capitalism, to a regulated capitalism. Another factor is that it seemed the American people recognized the value of capitalism and were reluctant to abolish it, they wanted it to work.
Bismarck in 1890 did the same thing in Germany, instead of suppressing the people he brought in socialized medicine and some of the lure of communism was gone. The best period of changing the USA's economic system was in the Great Depression, and FDR's New Deal, destroyed the need for a new economic system.

government regulation can actually alleviate some of the problems of capitalism, but it is rather the struggle with the result than the cause of these problems.
but the question is not so much about the problems as the successes of capitalism. Capitalism is successful, and that is its biggest problem. People earn money, develop, and want to fulfill themselves at work, but in capitalist corporations this is difficult, because if you are not the owner, you are removed from the decision-making process, and motivation drops. This is all about motivation and Maslow's pyramid of needs.
So in co-op economy there is a free market also, but employees are owners and they have instruments to realize themeselves at work and satisfy their needs of belonging to a company, respect and creatiity.

While I understand what you're getting at,the things you claim are missing could easily be filled with charity work. After all,it's those who give without thought of repayment that are the true bastions of society.
Nobody is forcing you to find personal satisfaction through your job.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, why did Fagor and Lehman go bankrupt?

because it's a business.

but its a cooperative business and cooperative businesses are supposed to be better because.... they cooperate

and if that was true what lesson would we learn from that??

that co-op business model is more effective, and future is for cooperatives.[/QUOTE]

so we wait another 1000 years to see if it ever happens meanwhile e Apple continues inventing the Iphone and Tesla invents space travel! Don't hold your breath!